Ulead DVD MovieFactory SE problem - 4GB limit seems to be a problem. On WinXP Pro and NTFS??

[Jeff7]

When I'm running through a 4.5GB MPEG2 file making menu entries for the video, it advances just fine, up until around 1hr 24min; the files are usually around 1hr 31min, so this seems to coincide with the 4GB limit. The problem: When I try to find a place after ~1hr 24min, and pause the video to create a menu point, the hard drive starts going nuts, like it's re-reading the entire file. After about a half minute of this, the video slider goes back to somewhere within the first 5 minutes of the file, preventing me from creating menu points towards the end of the file.
Any idea what the heck's going on here? I've installed the latest patches from Ulead's site.

 

[fishingeek]

Well for 1 thing you can only get about 4.3 GB on a DVD so that might be your problem. What are you using to encode the file?

 

[Jeff7]

Well, ok, it's around 4,650,000,000 bytes; I rounded a bit off on that figure. I'm using Ulead VideoStudio 6 SE for the second encoding - the first encoding is done off of TV, with a Hauppauge PVR-350 card.

 

[Nothinman]

I would blame the software, it sounds like it can't handle file offsets greater than 4G. Contact their support and see what they say.

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I would blame the software, it sounds like it can't handle file offsets greater than 4G. Contact their support and see what they say.

negative, I use this proggy all the time with files over 4gb, so thats not the problem. I converted 4 svcd files to dvd-mpg and used Ulead to join them together...the resulting file was 4.3gb.

 

[Smilin]

Is it an error or just a warning?

You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Smilin
Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd.

As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually.

I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin
Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd.

As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually.

I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

There's no error or warning - the program just stops, as the file is re-read, and it goes right back to near the beginning without saying a word of it.

Codewiz - what about overburning?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd. As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually. I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

There's no error or warning - the program just stops, as the file is re-read, and it goes right back to near the beginning without saying a word of it. Codewiz - what about overburning?

You can't overburn DVDs at this point in time. I was also incorrect about why the the useable space on DVD-R media is not 4.7GIG. It is the same as hard drives. Not because of formatting. I got confused between my dvd-ram drive and my dvd-r drive. DVD-R media capacity is reported in powers of 10. Not powers of 2. So when you convert 4.7GIG base 10 to base 2 you get the real storage capacity of the drive which is right around 4.37GIG.

As for your problem, the only thing I can suggest is trying to use a different program. I personally use SpruceUP for my dvd authoring. It isn't even being sold anymore. Of course I didn't buy it because I can't. You can find it easily on the net though. If SpruceUp doesn't work for me, I use MyDVD which came with my burner

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin
Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd.

As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually.

I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

Settle down, beavis. OK 4.37 gigs since you're being all technical about it, but his problem is with the 4 gig limit. And for the record, you can put at least 1.72mb on a 1.44 floppy, Mr. Smarty pants. Never done 2mb though.

Usually the 4 gig limit on DVD's is a "warning" not an "error". If you just plop down one file that's over 4 gig it's not a problem. If you try to start another session on the disk after the fact I think you might starting having some read trouble. Go experiment with some RW's and if it blows up you haven't made a coaster at least.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd. As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually. I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

Settle down, beavis. OK 4.37 gigs since you're being all technical about it, but his problem is with the 4 gig limit. And for the record, you can put at least 1.72mb on a 1.44 floppy, Mr. Smarty pants. Never done 2mb though. Usually the 4 gig limit on DVD's is a "warning" not an "error". If you just plop down one file that's over 4 gig it's not a problem. If you try to start another session on the disk after the fact I think you might starting having some read trouble. Go experiment with some RW's and if it blows up you haven't made a coaster at least.

The only reason you can put 1.72 is because you use smaller tracks on the floppy. That can't be done on cds or dvds. The point I was trying to make was that your useable space was not correct.

As I said before, DVD authoring software AUTOMATICALLY splits up a file so the 4gig limit isn't the problem here unless his authoring software is messed up or really dumb. I have heard many people like MovieFactory so I pretty much knows it does split up the mpeg into VOBs.

As a matter of fact I authored a 4.25gig mpeg last night without problem. It split the file into 5 vobs. That is what the software does.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd. As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually. I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

There's no error or warning - the program just stops, as the file is re-read, and it goes right back to near the beginning without saying a word of it. Codewiz - what about overburning?

You can't overburn DVDs at this point in time. I was also incorrect about why the the useable space on DVD-R media is not 4.7GIG. It is the same as hard drives. Not because of formatting. I got confused between my dvd-ram drive and my dvd-r drive. DVD-R media capacity is reported in powers of 10. Not powers of 2. So when you convert 4.7GIG base 10 to base 2 you get the real storage capacity of the drive which is right around 4.37GIG.

As for your problem, the only thing I can suggest is trying to use a different program. I personally use SpruceUP for my dvd authoring. It isn't even being sold anymore. Of course I didn't buy it because I can't. You can find it easily on the net though. If SpruceUp doesn't work for me, I use MyDVD which came with my burner

The review I read of the Toshiba SD-R5002 DVD writer (what i have) said that it is capable of overburning. I'll have to try it out for myself sometime though; the largest amount of data I've burned to a single disc yet is 4,697,718,784 bytes.

 

[rbV5]

Can't you simply try to burn a smaller file to see if its the software or the file. Thats my method, use a RW for a trial.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Can't you simply try to burn a smaller file to see if its the software or the file. Thats my method, use a RW for a trial.

That should work; I'll try that. I don't need to burn anything though, as that's not where the problem is. The problem comes before the burning.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Smilin Is it an error or just a warning? You can put a full 4.7 gig or so on a DVD but there seems to be some quirk in the DVD specs that makes it like to use 4gig or less files...it seems to be (oddly enough) some wierd leftover from FAT limitations. I'm pretty sure the only time it will give you trouble is if you try to put multiple sessions on the DVD while it contains a >4gig file.

You are TOTALLY incorrect. You CANNOT put 4.7gigs on a DVD-R. Can you put 2.0MB on a floppy? Hell no. The space reported by media is the unformatted space. 4.37gig is the usable space on the blank dvd. As for the limitation of only being able to use a 4gig file, I have no idea. Never tried BUT he is trying to author a dvd so the authoring program will break the mpeg2 file into individual VOB files so none would be over 1gig usually. I don't know what the problem is. I would maybe try a different program.

There's no error or warning - the program just stops, as the file is re-read, and it goes right back to near the beginning without saying a word of it. Codewiz - what about overburning?

You can't overburn DVDs at this point in time. I was also incorrect about why the the useable space on DVD-R media is not 4.7GIG. It is the same as hard drives. Not because of formatting. I got confused between my dvd-ram drive and my dvd-r drive. DVD-R media capacity is reported in powers of 10. Not powers of 2. So when you convert 4.7GIG base 10 to base 2 you get the real storage capacity of the drive which is right around 4.37GIG. As for your problem, the only thing I can suggest is trying to use a different program. I personally use SpruceUP for my dvd authoring. It isn't even being sold anymore. Of course I didn't buy it because I can't. You can find it easily on the net though. If SpruceUp doesn't work for me, I use MyDVD which came with my burner

The review I read of the Toshiba SD-R5002 DVD writer (what i have) said that it is capable of overburning. I'll have to try it out for myself sometime though; the largest amount of data I've burned to a single disc yet is 4,697,718,784 bytes.

I would like to read the review. I have no doubt that some drives are capable of it but I haven't seen any software that allows overburning of DVDs. I know my pioneer drive can overburn a cd but I have no options to overburn a DVD in any software that I use.

I am very interested in seeing if what you say is true.

 

[Jeff7]

This is the review; apparently all it does say there is that it "supports" it. I'll test it tomorrow when I have time again. I'm going to be using DVD-RW for this test (not going to waste a DVD-R), and the SD-R5002 only writes to RW's at 1x, so the writing itself will take about 2hrs. I'll just toss an MPEG and some other files onto the disc to try it out.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
This is the review; apparently all it does say there is that it "supports" it. I'll test it tomorrow when I have time again. I'm going to be using DVD-RW for this test (not going to waste a DVD-R), and the SD-R5002 only writes to RW's at 1x, so the writing itself will take about 2hrs. I'll just toss an MPEG and some other files onto the disc to try it out.

That review only speaks of overburning in the context of cd media. I still say that it does not support overburning of DVD media

My A05 supports overburning also. But only with cd media.

EDIT: BTW 1x writes only take 1 hour.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Jeff7
This is the review; apparently all it does say there is that it "supports" it. I'll test it tomorrow when I have time again. I'm going to be using DVD-RW for this test (not going to waste a DVD-R), and the SD-R5002 only writes to RW's at 1x, so the writing itself will take about 2hrs. I'll just toss an MPEG and some other files onto the disc to try it out.

That review only speaks of overburning in the context of cd media. I still say that it does not support overburning of DVD media

My A05 supports overburning also. But only with cd media.

EDIT: BTW 1x writes only take 1 hour.

No, 2x writes take 1 hour. The DVD is 120 minutes, filled up - it reads at 1x, and doing so will take 120min = 2hrs. Writing to it at the same speed will also take 2 hours.
I know that 2x takes 1 hour, because I just burned the DVD-R with 4,697,718,784 bytes, and it took a little over one hour (that includes the lead-in and lead-out times). I'll time the DVD-RW tomorrow though.
I'll see what Nero says about DVD overburning too.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Jeff7 This is the review; apparently all it does say there is that it "supports" it. I'll test it tomorrow when I have time again. I'm going to be using DVD-RW for this test (not going to waste a DVD-R), and the SD-R5002 only writes to RW's at 1x, so the writing itself will take about 2hrs. I'll just toss an MPEG and some other files onto the disc to try it out.

That review only speaks of overburning in the context of cd media. I still say that it does not support overburning of DVD media My A05 supports overburning also. But only with cd media. EDIT: BTW 1x writes only take 1 hour.

No, 2x writes take 1 hour. The DVD is 120 minutes, filled up - it reads at 1x, and doing so will take 120min = 2hrs. Writing to it at the same speed will also take 2 hours. I know that 2x takes 1 hour, because I just burned the DVD-R with 4,697,718,784 bytes, and it took a little over one hour (that includes the lead-in and lead-out times). I'll time the DVD-RW tomorrow though. I'll see what Nero says about DVD overburning too.

DVD holding 120 minutes has NOTHING to do with how long it takes to write to that media.

1x takes about 1 hour
2x takes about 30 minutes
4x takes about 15 minutes

Go here to learn about it

http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/articles.php?article_id=17&page=4

EDIT: If it is taking 2 hours to burn at 1x that means that burnproof is kicking in because you computer isn't giving data quick enough. Make sure DMA is enabled.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Get the manual, it should tell you what's going on. It's a rather long story, but there's supposedly a workaround.


ftp://ftp3.ulead.com/pub/Manual/VideoStudio6

in case the direct link doesn't work, go to ftp://ftp3.ulead.com and just keep on clicking on the appropriate folders...

and by the way, there are also a lot of goodies there that are worth downloading for Ulead users.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Codewiz


DVD holding 120 minutes has NOTHING to do with how long it takes to write to that media.

1x takes about 1 hour
2x takes about 30 minutes
4x takes about 15 minutes

Go here to learn about it

<a href="http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/articles.php?article_id=17&page=4">http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/articles.php?article_id=17&page=4</A>

EDIT: If it is taking 2 hours to burn at 1x that means that burnproof is kicking in because you computer isn't giving data quick enough. Make sure DMA is enabled.

What the...how does that work? I was under the impression that 1x=1x, but it seems that it isn't? What does DVD 1x really equal?
I don't think burnproof would be kicking in; DMA is enabled on all my IDE drives except the internal ZIP drive, which apparently only supports PIO Mode 0, at least that's what the BIOS tells me. I've got the latest chipset drivers from VIA installed.

 

[Nothinman]

What the...how does that work?

1x is just the base speed that they start at, it has nothing to do with the real speed involved.

I've got the latest chipset drivers from VIA installed.

You've got a VIA chipset, that would probably be the problem =)

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

What the...how does that work?

1x is just the base speed that they start at, it has nothing to do with the real speed involved.

I've got the latest chipset drivers from VIA installed.

You've got a VIA chipset, that would probably be the problem =)

The funny thing is the fact that I have seen more problems with people trying to flash their A05 drive on intel chipsets. All these people install the Intel application accelerator stuff and it screws up Pioneer's flash utility.

Do you have the zip drive on the same cable as the dvd writer? If so try unhooking the zip to see if the burn speed increases. I feel like I am getting old and can't remember things correctly. If I do remember correctly then technically each device on an IDE chain can only perform as fast as the slowest connection type. Meaning that if your zip drive is in PIO mode and your dvd writer is on the same channel then it will only run as fast as the PIO mode.

I could be wrong but I believe that is how things used to work but it could have changed.

 

[Nothinman]

The funny thing is the fact that I have seen more problems with people trying to flash their A05 drive on intel chipsets. All these people install the Intel application accelerator stuff and it screws up Pioneer's flash utility.

I would laugh at anyone willing to flash a piece of hardware's firmware in a multitasking OS, especially one like Windows where it's a b!tch to stop device drivers.

 

[Jeff7]

Well that bit about 1x really is funky. What exactly is 1x based on? I figured it'd be like 1x in the CD-ROM world, where it equaled the speed that CD's are read at. Did they just go to www.random.org and pull up some numbers?

Do you have the zip drive on the same cable as the dvd writer? If so try unhooking the zip to see if the burn speed increases. I feel like I am getting old and can't remember things correctly. If I do remember correctly then technically each device on an IDE chain can only perform as fast as the slowest connection type. Meaning that if your zip drive is in PIO mode and your dvd writer is on the same channel then it will only run as fast as the PIO mode.

Nope. The DVD is on a chain with a CD-ROM drive. I'll be unhooking it in a week or two, once I get a NewQ equalizer.
I'll have to benchmark the hard drive that is on the chain with the ZIP drive - Windows says that the HDD is running at DMA mode 5, while the ZIP just says PIO Mode.
Oh, I just burned the DVD-RW (wouldn't allow an overburn, but I don't seem to recall ever overburning an RW anything before) - done in under 59 minutes. Don't know what I was remembering with that DVD-R that I burned at 2x. Your honor, I set forth the motion that the defendant (me) has a faulty brain!

I'll try out some of those patches from Ulead's FTP site and see if they do anything for the 4GB thingy. I also have an encoded file here that's under 4 billion bytes; I'll see how well MovieFactory plays with it.

Update #1 - Tried out MovieFactory on the smaller file. Not only did it NOT read the entire file before letting me work on it, but I could create menu points anywhere within the file, right up to the very end. Time to try the downloaded updates.

Update #2 - Patches installed. MovieFactory still behaves the same, insisting on reading most of the video file (it reads about 2.6GB according to Taskmanager), before it'll let me do the scene selection. Once I try to select a scene somewhere after the 4GB mark, it reads another 1.2GB of the file, and then I'm sent back to the beginning of the file; well, 5min 20s actually.