Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[Acanthus]

I immediatly thought of this

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
The UFC is a much more exclusive group. There are about 2500 navy seals and only about 20-30 UFC fighters, and the UFC arguably has the best fighters in the world, whereas the navy seals only have the best in the USA, and many would argue that other countries', such as England's, special forces are trained better. The mainstream media glorifies the Navy Seals and makes them out to be superhuman, but they're really just one step above the army, and nearly anyone could be in the army if they trained for it.

Here are the training and requirements to join the Navy Seals according to Wikipedia. It's really not that impressive:




Entering training to become a Navy SEAL is voluntary. Anyone can volunteer, and officers and enlisted men train side by side. In order to enter SEAL training, however, one does have to meet certain requirements. Those wishing to volunteer for SEAL training have to:

* be an active-duty, male member of the United States Navy
* be 28 or younger (although waivers for 29 and 30 year olds are possible)
* have uncorrected vision no worse than 20/200 in both eyes correctable to 20/20 through contacts or glasses (corrective surgery PRK is also possible)
* be a US citizen
* pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) test

SEALs in woodlands operation
SEALs in woodlands operation

SEAL Training consists of the following:

* 3 weeks Indoctrination Course at Coronado, CA
* 24 weeks Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training at the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado, California near San Diego
* 1 week of static line jump training, followed by 3 weeks of Military Free Fall (MFF) Qualification training at Tactical Air Operations in Otay, CA
* At Coronado, CA and Kodiak, AK, 19-week SEAL Qualification Training (SQT).

After this, the trainee is officially named a SEAL.[2]

[edit] Screening

Assignment to BUD/S is conditional on passing the PST, which requires the following minima:

* 500-yard (457 m) swim using breast or side stroke in under 12:30
* At least 42 push-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 6 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles (2.4 km) in boots and trousers 11:30
* Members? vision must be no worse than 20/200 in both eyes. Vision must be correctable to 20/20. SEAL candidates may qualify for PRK surgery to correct their vision

Again, the above are the minimum requirements necessary to qualify for BUD/S. Prospective trainees are expected to far exceed these minimums. Competitive scores are as follows:

* 500-yard swim using breast or combat side stroke in 10:00 minutes
* 79 push-ups in 2 minutes
* 79 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* 11 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles in boots and long pants in 10:20

Pretty sure average MMA person can easily qualify for all of these, or even do twice as good as the requirements. Not even talking about elite. And yeah, of course swimming will make you that much of a better fighter :roll:

 

[imported_Champ]

your all forgetting about the variables here

SEALs...lets take a closer look at that word SEa Air and Land...so therefore they would have the water advantage...so in a humid city (miami?) the SEAL would have the complete advantage...as well as they have the air advantage...a city with a high altitude (Denver?) the seal would win

MMA Fighter...lets take a closer look at that words, Mixed Martial Arts Fighter...they would have the advantage when in a :sun: situation where octagons are present (...?)

The SEAL has the larger set of advantages but would never want to fight with octagons present (certain death?) Just as the MMA fighter would not want to fight in a humid high altituded place (...?)

But the last and most :clock: important advantage goes to the SEALs... they have Charlie Sheen which guarantees a victory

SEALS WIN

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Champ
your all forgetting about the variables here

SEALs...lets take a closer look at that word SEa Air and Land...so therefore they would have the water advantage...so in a humid city (miami?) the SEAL would have the complete advantage...as well as they have the air advantage...a city with a high altitude (Denver?) the seal would win

MMA Fighter...lets take a closer look at that words, Mixed Martial Arts Fighter...they would have the advantage when in a :sun: situation where octagons are present (...?)

The SEAL has the larger set of advantages but would never want to fight with octagons present (certain death?) Just as the MMA fighter would not want to fight in a humid high altituded place (...?)

But the last and most :clock: important advantage goes to the SEALs... they have Charlie Sheen which guarantees a victory

SEALS WIN

ALSO, SEAL has four letters whereas MMA only 3 and two of the letters repeat. So clearly, having longer abbreviation will make them more valuable in a street fight.

 

[classy]

Answer this

Your trapped in a room, you and several other people icluding your family. A real bad dude, terrorist like, comes busting in and he has got a long blade threatening to slice everyone up into little pieces. To make matters worse the lights go out and there is just little light from the flood lights. Who would you want in that room with you to save you, a SEAL or a MMA fighter? If you say MMA fighter, two things, one I'll send you some flowers to put on the mound of dirt you'll be under. And two can I have your stuff?

 

[amish]

AND...THE...COW...JUMPED...OVER...THE...MOON...

 

[sourceninja]

Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

This didn't deserve a 5 month bump

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

This didn't deserve a 5 month bump

I concur.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
The UFC is a much more exclusive group. There are about 2500 navy seals and only about 20-30 UFC fighters, and the UFC arguably has the best fighters in the world, whereas the navy seals only have the best in the USA, and many would argue that other countries', such as England's, special forces are trained better. The mainstream media glorifies the Navy Seals and makes them out to be superhuman, but they're really just one step above the army, and nearly anyone could be in the army if they trained for it.

Here are the training and requirements to join the Navy Seals according to Wikipedia. It's really not that impressive:




Entering training to become a Navy SEAL is voluntary. Anyone can volunteer, and officers and enlisted men train side by side. In order to enter SEAL training, however, one does have to meet certain requirements. Those wishing to volunteer for SEAL training have to:

* be an active-duty, male member of the United States Navy
* be 28 or younger (although waivers for 29 and 30 year olds are possible)
* have uncorrected vision no worse than 20/200 in both eyes correctable to 20/20 through contacts or glasses (corrective surgery PRK is also possible)
* be a US citizen
* pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) test

SEALs in woodlands operation
SEALs in woodlands operation

SEAL Training consists of the following:

* 3 weeks Indoctrination Course at Coronado, CA
* 24 weeks Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training at the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado, California near San Diego
* 1 week of static line jump training, followed by 3 weeks of Military Free Fall (MFF) Qualification training at Tactical Air Operations in Otay, CA
* At Coronado, CA and Kodiak, AK, 19-week SEAL Qualification Training (SQT).

After this, the trainee is officially named a SEAL.[2]

[edit] Screening

Assignment to BUD/S is conditional on passing the PST, which requires the following minima:

* 500-yard (457 m) swim using breast or side stroke in under 12:30
* At least 42 push-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 6 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles (2.4 km) in boots and trousers 11:30
* Members? vision must be no worse than 20/200 in both eyes. Vision must be correctable to 20/20. SEAL candidates may qualify for PRK surgery to correct their vision

Again, the above are the minimum requirements necessary to qualify for BUD/S. Prospective trainees are expected to far exceed these minimums. Competitive scores are as follows:

* 500-yard swim using breast or combat side stroke in 10:00 minutes
* 79 push-ups in 2 minutes
* 79 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* 11 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles in boots and long pants in 10:20

Pretty sure average MMA person can easily qualify for all of these, or even do twice as good as the requirements. Not even talking about elite. And yeah, of course swimming will make you that much of a better fighter :roll:

Not saying one will beat the other in a death match...but there is more to SEAL than meeting those PT test requirements. There is a reason why they are an elite organization and that most do not get in.

On a side note...if it were a competition of mental toughness; SEALs win, hands-down.

 

[TridenT]

Navy seal will just jump out of the water and suffocate him.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

Fouls. The following acts are universally considered fouls in the mixed martial arts world:

Headbutting.
Eye gouging.
Hair pulling.
Biting.
Fish-hooking.
Attacking the groin.
Strikes to the back of the head and spinal area. (see Rabbit punch)
Strikes to, or grabs of the trachea.
Small joint manipulation (control of three or more fingers/toes is necessary).

I'm fairly sure all these moves can and are used by special forces when necessary. Put an MMA fighter and a SEAL in a REAL fight and they'll be very evenly matched.

 

[her209]

That's like asking if the Navy/Army/Air Forrce football teams are any good.

 

[knawlejj]

On just a sidewalk or street where there is no running around or bitching out, then the UFC fighter hands down

 

[arrfep]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

This didn't deserve a 5 month bump

I concur.

This is one of those topics that I see and say "Hey, new topic that I can contribute something pseudo-witty to and maybe someone will lol at it or respond with the laughing smiley face or just quote it and write 'this' underneath" and then I notice there's been 450 responses and no one will care about mine."

And it crushes me.

 

[ballmode]

Seals trained to kill, MMA trained to outlast

 

[Legendary]

It's easier to kill someone than beat them severely to a pulp.

So I'd have to say the SEAL. I am fairly certain death is an integral part of their job.

 

[KeithTalent]

My cousin's a Navy SEAL, so I have to go with Ultimate Fighter here.

KT

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
My cousin's a Navy SEAL, so I have to go with Ultimate Fighter here.

KT

:laugh:

 

[SonnyDaze]

UFC dude.

 

[KLin]

Depends on the venue. Caesar's palace? MMA fighter. Panama jungle? Navy SEAL.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

Fouls. The following acts are universally considered fouls in the mixed martial arts world:

Headbutting.
Eye gouging.
Hair pulling.
Biting.
Fish-hooking.
Attacking the groin.
Strikes to the back of the head and spinal area. (see Rabbit punch)
Strikes to, or grabs of the trachea.
Small joint manipulation (control of three or more fingers/toes is necessary).

I'm fairly sure all these moves can and are used by special forces when necessary. Put an MMA fighter and a SEAL in a REAL fight and they'll be very evenly matched.

Do any of the illegal moves require any training to be used effectively. My experience says no (with the exception of headbutting). Most of this stuff was banned not because it ended fights, but because it caused long term injury after the fight. And honestly, you have no prayer of doing any of it if you are not already dominating the fight.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: ballmode
Seals trained to kill, MMA trained to outlast

Originally posted by: Legendary
It's easier to kill someone than beat them severely to a pulp.

So I'd have to say the SEAL. I am fairly certain death is an integral part of their job.

Realistically, special forces only get a small amount of martial arts training, especially compared to a dedicated martial artist. A SEAL for example would also be training shooting, special weapons, survival, medical skills, bla bla bla, plus the fact they have to go and do actual missions in which (IMO) they would hardly ever use unarmed combat.

If the MMA fighter comes from a proper kung fu/ju jitsu background rather than kickboxing or somesuch I'd bet on him every time. Real martial arts training is definately geared at killing your opponent rather than outlasting them.

 

[Q]

So basically Jason Bourne vs Kimbo?

Bourne. (Yes I know he wasn't a SEAL but used krav maga or whatever it's called)

 

[kevman]

luck of the draw, one properly placed punch will drop either one.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: Quintox
So basically Jason Bourne vs Kimbo?

Bourne. (Yes I know he wasn't a SEAL but used krav maga or whatever it's called)

Um...

So your argument for seal versus mma is:

1.) a guy who isnt a seal
2.) a guy with no mma background, but was thrown into the cage because he was a popular youtube street fighter.