Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[randay]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Champ
your all forgetting about the variables here

SEALs...lets take a closer look at that word SEa Air and Land...so therefore they would have the water advantage...so in a humid city (miami?) the SEAL would have the complete advantage...as well as they have the air advantage...a city with a high altitude (Denver?) the seal would win

MMA Fighter...lets take a closer look at that words, Mixed Martial Arts Fighter...they would have the advantage when in a :sun: situation where octagons are present (...?)

The SEAL has the larger set of advantages but would never want to fight with octagons present (certain death?) Just as the MMA fighter would not want to fight in a humid high altituded place (...?)

But the last and most :clock: important advantage goes to the SEALs... they have Charlie Sheen which guarantees a victory

SEALS WIN

ALSO, SEAL has four letters whereas MMA only 3 and two of the letters repeat. So clearly, having longer abbreviation will make them more valuable in a street fight.

oops read the wiki wrong, MMA is worth more points in scrabble so SEAL loses!

 

[mxyzptlk]

navy seals have weapons and I'm choosing to ignore the part of the op that specifically says that neither side is armed. So, SEAL pulls a pistol and the UFC dude goes down with two hot ones in his cranium.

 

[Zebo]

Seal with no rules who are trained totally differently more how to exploit all vulnerable points on the body to quickly neutralize the attacker using life crippling techniques which UFC guys don't.

Icluding:
Eye gouging and removal
Biting
Fish hooking
Groin attacks
Small joint manipulation
Striking to the spine
Throat strikes and tearing esophagus
Tearing the clavicle out


Basically UFC guy is fucked for life if no rules are there

 

[KDOG]

If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Fedor is different. First of all he's trained is some wicked military combat martial arts himself which he wins like every year. Second he's over 220 lbs which seals don't get. They are small wiry fuckers who can do seals for the most part because of endurance requirements. size matters like any NFL linebacker would fuck up GSP quick.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Navy Seal: Trained to kill... when crap gets bad there's no ref... live or die.




UFC: Trained to beat down... no fear about going home to the wife... refs who stop the action and stuff when things get too rough... opponent or 'terorist' backs off when the ufc guy says to.




One conflict is real... one is not. And assuming the miracle that a UFC guy could beat a seal.... Ok.... Ok... Whatever... Do you want Shamrock chasing terrorists or some no-name seal guy? That's what I thought. I'll take the seal in a one on one fist fight.

 

[RgrPark]

A Navy SEAL, or any other spec ops operators, trains day and night on efficiently dispatching enemies with weapons. Yes, they also train a bit on hand to hand combat, but the ratio of their time spent on weapons and tactics training vastly dwarfs their hand to hand combat training time, with good reasons. If you're a SEAL and you're finding yourself in a situation where you're physically fighting another man to the death, things are not looking good for you and your team.

On the other hand, the MMA fighter trains exclusively for hand to hand fight against another man. Hardly a fair comparison if you're talking about a hand-to-hand fight.

If I was going to into armed combat against a bunch of zombies, I'll choose a SEAL to be my sidekick.
If I was getting jumped by a civilian mob, I'd have Anderson Silva by my side knocking the hell out of the clowns left and right.

 

[her209]

Navy Seal loses for sure if/when the fight goes to the ground. Some of those submission moves are viscous and without a ref, can lead to broken arms or choke outs.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Surely there are more rules than that. Are you allowed to break the neck, or tear off pieces?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Surely there are more rules than that. Are you allowed to break the neck, or tear off pieces?

when the UFC first started that was it. no eye gouging and no biting. if a guy didn't tap and you broke an arm/ankle whatever that happened. of course the ref would stop it if it got to bad.

 

[Woosta]

Fedor > any Navy Seal, Marine, human being, god, entity

SEALs and Marines spend more time with weapons training than hand to hand combat, the MMA fighter spends all his time thinking and practicing hand to hand combat.

Anyone claiming the UFC/MMA fighter loses just on the basis of that they're used to the rules in an MMA ring, THEY'D OBVIOUSLY SWITCH UP THE STRATEGY FOR THE FIGHT AS IT WONT BE HELD IN A RING, AND IT WON'T BE A REGULAR MMA VS MMA FIGHT, this is a no brainer - the top elite fighters aren't retarded and can adjust according to the environment, like liquid.

If it was a fight to the death, the SEAL or whoever wouldn't be able to fight back because his arm would have been snapped long ago by Fedor.

The only way a military type would win is if he was a former hand to hand fighter, someone like Cro Cop ( but then he'd lose to Fedor anyway ).

 

[Woosta]

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[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Surely there are more rules than that. Are you allowed to break the neck, or tear off pieces?

No, that was it. It was a real life Bloodsport, not some watered down shit we have today. The ref couldn't stop the fight, no time limit, no decisions, and yeah, no place to run (you're in a cage). There were only a few outcomes. You either win, tap or/and get REALLY hurt. That's it. But here's the good news, if you were fortunate enough to win a fight, you get to fight again...on the same night. And if you win again, guess what? You get to fight again....the same night. Royce Gracie would fight 3 to 4 fights in one night to win the UFC. You don't get any more "real" than that. That goes beyond a "real fight."

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Surely there are more rules than that. Are you allowed to break the neck, or tear off pieces?

when the UFC first started that was it. no eye gouging and no biting. if a guy didn't tap and you broke an arm/ankle whatever that happened. of course the ref would stop it if it got to bad.

The ref couldn't even stop it in the early UFCs. The corner had to throw in the towel. That rule changed when one of the corners couldn't find their towel.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: KDOG
If its a fight to the death, I'd say the SEAL. Remember, UFC guys are indeed actually fighting no doubt - but they are trained to win a fight. Seals are trained to put someone in a 6 foot hole in the ground. There will be no dancing around with your "dukes up" like the UFC guy would be doing. The SEAL would go right in and proceed with the throat ripping, etc.....

UFC guys don't "dance around" for the heck of it. ANYONE tries to just go right into a throat rip will most likely be knocked out by a knee, kick or punch before his hand even touches his opponents throat. You guys know the Gracies trained a lot of the SEALs right? You know the Gracies that started UFC. The Gracies that competed in the UFC before it was water down. The UFC that only had 2 rules: no biting and no eye gouging. That's it. FIGHT! Yeah, back when the winner of the UFC MEANT you were the ultimate fighter. It WAS a street fight but worse, you couldn't run away.

SEALs are AWESOME fighters with weapons, survival or what have you. However, in hand to hand, they are not beating a top MMA fighter. Not some TUF loser, a REAL MMA fighter. I'll put up Fedor against ANY SEAL, Delt Force member or whatever special forces guy. And most likely, the SEAL member will go, "WTF? Are you serious? Yeah, maybe if I had a knife."

Fedor is different. First of all he's trained is some wicked military combat martial arts himself which he wins like every year. Second he's over 220 lbs which seals don't get. They are small wiry fuckers who can do seals for the most part because of endurance requirements. size matters like any NFL linebacker would fuck up GSP quick.

I thought we were talking about an elite (the best) MMA fighter vs SEALs.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

In a street environment, a SEAL would fight with intelligence, not strength. He would just as easily hide out and take the enemy by surprise.

In a cage environment, the seal would probably be beat, but a UFC fighter wouldn't stand a chance against an opponent who wouldn't even stick around to be hammered in the first place.

It was the "our weapons (hands in this case) are bigger" mentality that messed up Vietnam by underestimating the ability of the enemy to disappear amongst other things. Same would apply here.

IMO, in a city environment, my money would definitely be on the SEAL.

 

[marchenko]

Get off of your Spike TV set and face the facts...first off lets compare apples to apples...to say any Navy SEAL is misleading...understanding that first and foremost a U.S. Navy SEAL is trained to KILL and is trained to administer throat punches, ballbreakers, eye pokes, break bones, rupture nerve endings etc(with the intent to KILL)...with no hesitation against opponents of any shape or size or level of training...You give me your top UFC " TV point scorer" and ill grab a top DEVGRU(counterterrorism team 6) SEAL and i will guarantee death in a few to several seconds. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and my guess is that you have no experience commenting on the abilities of U.S.Navy SEALs, especially "meat eaters"(veteran SEALS who have numerous confirmed kills) and use deadly force as the ONLY means to handle confrontation. You are talking about an individual who has endured intense psychological stress training and in the case of most DEVGRU SEALS, has endured close quarter combat on many occasions. Though a look means nothing, the look in the eyes of the soldiers ive mentioned is confidence far beyond the "fight by the rules to score points" psuedo tough guy image portrayed on TV by these so called "gladiators". Lets not even get into a conversation about physical conditioning comparisons please as the fight wouldnt last long enough for the SEAL to need to rely on his superiority in this category. Sorry dude....different mindset and training objectives are the major differences in this lame comparison.

 

[Fenixgoon]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, why did a blackman avatar with 1 post have to revive this? offer us ipods, goddamnit@!

oh, and WWYBYWB?

 

[yh125d]

The Army marksman 1200m downrange

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Get off of your Spike TV set and face the facts...first off lets compare apples to apples...to say any Navy SEAL is misleading...understanding that first and foremost a U.S. Navy SEAL is trained to KILL and is trained to administer throat punches, ballbreakers, eye pokes, break bones, rupture nerve endings etc(with the intent to KILL)...with no hesitation against opponents of any shape or size or level of training...You give me your top UFC " TV point scorer" and ill grab a top DEVGRU(counterterrorism team 6) SEAL and i will guarantee death in a few to several seconds. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and my guess is that you have no experience commenting on the abilities of U.S.Navy SEALs, especially "meat eaters"(veteran SEALS who have numerous confirmed kills) and use deadly force as the ONLY means to handle confrontation. You are talking about an individual who has endured intense psychological stress training and in the case of most DEVGRU SEALS, has endured close quarter combat on many occasions. Though a look means nothing, the look in the eyes of the soldiers ive mentioned is confidence far beyond the "fight by the rules to score points" psuedo tough guy image portrayed on TV by these so called "gladiators". Lets not even get into a conversation about physical conditioning comparisons please as the fight wouldnt last long enough for the SEAL to need to rely on his superiority in this category. Sorry dude....different mindset and training objectives are the major differences in this lame comparison.

I really enjoyed your books back when I was in high school, very interesting stuff. However, you mispelled your name Mr. Marcinko

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: marchenko
Get off of your Spike TV set and face the facts...first off lets compare apples to apples...to say any Navy SEAL is misleading...understanding that first and foremost a U.S. Navy SEAL is trained to KILL and is trained to administer throat punches, ballbreakers, eye pokes, break bones, rupture nerve endings etc(with the intent to KILL)...with no hesitation against opponents of any shape or size or level of training...You give me your top UFC " TV point scorer" and ill grab a top DEVGRU(counterterrorism team 6) SEAL and i will guarantee death in a few to several seconds. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and my guess is that you have no experience commenting on the abilities of U.S.Navy SEALs, especially "meat eaters"(veteran SEALS who have numerous confirmed kills) and use deadly force as the ONLY means to handle confrontation. You are talking about an individual who has endured intense psychological stress training and in the case of most DEVGRU SEALS, has endured close quarter combat on many occasions. Though a look means nothing, the look in the eyes of the soldiers ive mentioned is confidence far beyond the "fight by the rules to score points" psuedo tough guy image portrayed on TV by these so called "gladiators". Lets not even get into a conversation about physical conditioning comparisons please as the fight wouldnt last long enough for the SEAL to need to rely on his superiority in this category. Sorry dude....different mindset and training objectives are the major differences in this lame comparison.

I really enjoyed your books back when I was in high school, very interesting stuff. However, you mispelled your name Mr. Marcinko

:laugh: Those books really are excellent though, I own about half the collection.

 

[brandonbull]

Pretty much none of the heavyweight MMA guys can you compare. Navy SEALs usually don't weigh over 200lbs and I would be surprised if the average SEAL goes more than 185. Most of the SEALs I ever saw were wiry fuckers and would wear most people out due to the cardio factor. I remember them getting up early in the morining to swim around the Little Creek harbor before they starting their normal training.

I think lining up several matches the SEALs would win. They are trained to endure some hard shit and have the mind set of really hurting people while a MMA fighter does not and that goes for any spec ops groups.

 

[Miramonti]

I think this thread is disrespectful of MMA fighters AND Navy Seals.

Most Navy Seals could never make it as an MMA fighter, and most MMA fighters would probably never make it as a Navy Seal. It takes a special person to excel in either.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

If the Seal cannot win in an immediate, 1 on 1 assault, then the Seal can run away and then plan the fighter's death. Stalk the fighter and wait for the perfect moment to strike and kill.