Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[lyssword]

Fancy throat punches aren't going to cut it. You cannot get close enough to a good mma fighter without getting knocked out.

ARE YOU FUCKING READING THIS? navy SEALS fancy tricks won't work at ALL because you can't get close enough to execute those. Navy seal rushes in to poke someone in the eye, guard down. Boom easy KO for MMA fighter (either by knee, high kick, or just fists)

or

Navy guard rushes MMA top fighter. MMA fighter tosses SEAL like a bitch to the ground, immediately pounding him on the head and going for choke if navy seal kind of defends.

Trust me, when you are getting pounded or kicked in the head, you won't be coordinated/precise enough to poke someone in the eye.

Secondly, navy SEALS don't know how to defend well. Once on the ground they don't know how to pull guard and how to keep from getting pounded by the MMA guy on top, either with elbows or fists.
Poke in the eye? Big fucking deal. Navy seal will be chocked out in seconds after that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...r7HFfY&feature=related

 

[scttgrd]

I would love to see the MMA fighters in a combat situation, a pants change would be a natural item for them. I have girlfriends that could have made them hit the barracks for a change. Step out of that tight a** box and see how things work. Death is alot easier than you want to believe.

 

[IamElectro]

MMA fighters know tons of moves and joint locks particularly in BJJ that can not be used in the ring. I do not think the Seal would have a chance considering hand to hand combat is an MMA fighters specialty.

 

[Eomer of Aldburg]

Seal would simply snipe the UFC looser straight in the head or would leave a claymore mine for them to walk over. Game over. I have trained with some of the Navy's Special forces and they are completely determined and straight up hard working people. There is no point saying who would win in a closed match, Seals are specialized for unconventional warfare not 1on1 fighting. True they do get CQC training but its not the same as people who are devoted to 1on1 fighting in a match.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Eomer of Aldburg
Seal would simply snipe the UFC looser straight in the head or would leave a claymore mine for them to walk over. Game over. I have trained with some of the Navy's Special forces and they are completely determined and straight up hard working people. There is no point saying who would win in a closed match, Seals are specialized for unconventional warfare not 1on1 fighting. True they do get CQC training but its not the same as people who are devoted to 1on1 fighting in a match.

At least one smart person here

This is like asking who is more likely to hit a homerun: pro batter or a good golfer. Sure a golfer also swings a stick, but it's just not the same.

 

[scttgrd]

As a former member of the military I can honestly say there are two kinds of enlisted personel, those that know and those that do. You don't ever want to meet the latter. I don't care who you are. If you doubt it, then you have no idea how the world works. And no, I have no special evidence for you. It's just how it is.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: scttgrd
I would love to see the MMA fighters in a combat situation, a pants change would be a natural item for them. I have girlfriends that could have made them hit the barracks for a change. Step out of that tight a** box and see how things work. Death is alot easier than you want to believe.

See, the American flag avatar never fails to deliver the douchebaggery.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: mxrider

Originally posted by: CasioTech
http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_...mages/USANavySeals.jpg

yeah those guys look REAL tough :roll:

And they could still kick your ass 9 different ways with their pinky finger.

I pick the Seal. Just because they are soldiers doesnt mean they arent trained into hand to hand combat. Seals operate under stealth, where guns arent always the best way to take someone out.

Usually a nice restaurant and fine wine is the way to take somebody out..........

 

[marchenko]

Like i said..give me a DEVGRU Navy SEAL against a top MMA fighter and you would see a quick disposal of the MMA fighter, leaving in a body bag.CASE CLOSED!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Like i said..give me a DEVGRU Navy SEAL against a top MMA fighter and you would see a quick disposal of the MMA fighter, leaving in a body bag.CASE CLOSED!

2nd post and changed avatar!

Originally posted by: scttgrd
As a former member of the military I can honestly say there are two kinds of enlisted personel, those that know and those that do. You don't ever want to meet the latter. I don't care who you are. If you doubt it, then you have no idea how the world works. And no, I have no special evidence for you. It's just how it is.

your post makes no sense.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: marchenko
Like i said..give me a DEVGRU Navy SEAL against a top MMA fighter and you would see a quick disposal of the MMA fighter, leaving in a body bag.CASE CLOSED!

2nd post and changed avatar!

Originally posted by: scttgrd
As a former member of the military I can honestly say there are two kinds of enlisted personel, those that know and those that do. You don't ever want to meet the latter. I don't care who you are. If you doubt it, then you have no idea how the world works. And no, I have no special evidence for you. It's just how it is.

your post makes no sense.

Actually, his post makes perfect sense. Just like in real life. There are people WITH knowledge, and people that USE that knowledge.
Apply that to the military, and the latter become the baddest asses in a fraternity of badasses.

SEAL vs. MMA in the ring, with MMA rules? MMA guy wins.

SEAL vs. MMA guy in the field, no rules, the loser dies, hand-to-hand combat? I won't discount the MMA guy so easily, as they are very tough dudes, but I'm betting on the SEAL. If you lined up 10 SEALS vs 10 MMA guys and had them all fight, I'd say that a few of the MMA guys might win, but the overall percentage would be the SEAL.

Same case for someone from Marine Recon, Ranger, Delta, etc.

 

[marchenko]

One more to reply to another comment i saw on here....most Navy SEALs have the sheer heart,toughness and physical attributes to become MMA fighters AS LONG AS THEY COULD LEARN TO FIGHT BY THE RULES and im not saying they would ALL prevail in the environment of a "UFC" fight....BUT very few MMA fighters could be SEALs based on the immense physical and psychological torture SEALs endure in AND out of the water. To add one more vital ingredient, one must also possess a fairly high IQ to be able to operate at this level of professionalism, given all of what being a SEAL encompasses and im not so sure some of these guys are that bright. Im not discounting UFC fighters and i respect their abilities but i would say very few have what it takes to become SEALs. SEALs KILL to survive...MMA guys fight for points. As i already stated...two totally different mindsets...and never discount the amount of hand to hand combat training a SEAL has gone through...For all of you doubters out there, google DEVGRU and also google the SCARS institute in Arizona where the type of fighting i am referring to is trained to top level government agencies and thats only a small portion of it.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: Baked
The guy w/ a gun. So it's gonna be the SEAL.

:thumbsup:

 

[marchenko]

TO ALL READING THIS FORUM...go to FIGHTINGARTS.COM and read the article "40 hours of SCARS" and you will further understand some of the skills used by U.S. Navy SEALS and other special forces counterparts...it even comments on how the SCARS institute can easily overcome grappling arts such as Brazilian Jujitsu and other MMA techniques. To the all of the UFC blockheads watching Spike TV-this is REAL! And remember this article was written by a journalist who was invited into SCARS, leaving much more to be imagined. Before you comment on something like this do your research.

 

[skace]

The question isn't who would break an arm first. The question is who would keep fighting once their arm was broken or once their eyes were gouged. The thing is this argument will never be answered because even if you staged a fight between the 2, the Navy Seal would not be able to go full force. And even if a Navy Seal took down some UFC fighter in a completely random scenario people would argue the element of surprise or whatever other circumstances.

 

[Babbles]

I think this is a silly proposition. But like all silly threads on ATOT I have some stupid desire to give my two cents.

My thought process is as follows:

The job of the MMA is to fight competitively in an arena with rules and referee.

The job of the SEAL is to kill people.

. . . go, go, go over-simplification, but that is how my brain worked this one out.

 

[se7en]

MMA Fighter wins.

No most fighters couldn't make it as a Navy Seal but that isnt really the question. The fighters are trained to fight people 1on1 and seals are as well however that isn't their 100% focus.

And yes seals know tricks like eye gouging or w/e but the three stooges knew that one as well. It would be close as I dont think it would very one sided at all but in the end I think we know the outcome.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Just wanting to start some shit because I'm bored at work today.

Just watched Ben Saunders complete destruction of former SEAL Brandon Wolff on the UFC Fight for the Troops.

All due respect to SEALS and Special Forces, but this should answer any noob questions about operators and the level of their H2H training.

Fouls. The following acts are universally considered fouls in the mixed martial arts world:

Headbutting.
Eye gouging.
Hair pulling.
Biting.
Fish-hooking.
Attacking the groin.
Strikes to the back of the head and spinal area. (see Rabbit punch)
Strikes to, or grabs of the trachea.
Small joint manipulation (control of three or more fingers/toes is necessary).

I'm fairly sure all these moves can and are used by special forces when necessary. Put an MMA fighter and a SEAL in a REAL fight and they'll be very evenly matched.

If it's fight to the death or fight for survival, the Seal. I watched Ben vs Wolff too - it's a fight inside a cage with certain rules and restrictions and gloves. It's a little different when life or death depends on it

 

[YoungGun21]

SEALS win. Everytime. All the time.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
SEALS win. Everytime. All the time.

Only if they take someone by surprise with a knife or a gun. BTW pls shut up about spike, there's more to MMA than spike TV, I don't even watch UFC on spike.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
SEALS win. Everytime. All the time.

Only if they take someone by surprise with a knife or a gun

You know... SEALs are taught extensively how to survive without weapons.

Martial arts don't have much weight in the real world. The goal for martial arts is for an attacker to either be facing off against someone with no martial arts skills, or to face off against other highly trained martial artists in ancient practices.

Yes, a martial artist will be able to successfully gain the edge on a person these days, as some of the disciplines are taught more brutal and lethal moves. Many have one strike abilities to kill, depending on level of experience and speed.

HOWEVER, a well-trained and experienced SEAL will have learned many kill-strikes and disabling strikes. And has plans to use every move in his book when in a low-odds situation. And knowing those strikes, they theoretically will have learned how to counter them.

Now, bet all of this against a single match, and it's basically an even split. But take a number of Ultimate Fighters against a number of SEALs, and the results will, I guarantee it, be on the SEALs side. Why? Because yes, I won't say every single SEAL will win. Some Ultimate Fighters will be extremely brutal in their skills, and some SEALs, like all humans, won't be as great as others, same in the Ultimate Fighters world. Everyone receives the same training but some are definitely going to shine more than others. I mean, as much as we like to think SEALs are machines, they are still human.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH

Originally posted by: Raduque
Isn't UFC a tv show like wwe?

My money's on the US Navy elite.

UFC is actual fighting. It's like a boxing match with kicks, elbows, wrestling, strangling, and lots of blood. Although it's a lot tamer now than it used to be.

I also will pick the Seal because a Seal is trained to kill an enemy combatant in seconds with his bare hands. The Ultimate Fighter is also used to fighting within certain rules whereas the only rule the Seal has is "kill".
He'll be jamming one finger in the dude's eye, some more fingers to the throat to crush the windpipe, and then snapping his neck all in one fluid motion. He'll have more trouble getting the dude's blood out of his shirt.

this is exactly what i'm thinking

 

[marchenko]

Again folks...go to fightingarts.com and read the entire article "40 hours of SCARS" and it should clarify alot of uncertainties you have about the abilities of our elite Spec-Ops teams and the KILLING skills they have. They also address using their techniques against MMA forms and how superior this type of fighting is due to the fact that many potential ENEMY special ops teams from other countries are highly trained in MMA techniques. In a "street fight" a SEAL is thinking on an entirely different level then a "MMA guy" and most likely wont have the ability to separate what he is trained to do in combat from a "street fight", which is to KILL in a lethally aggressive manner.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: marchenko
Again folks...go to fightingarts.com and read the entire article "40 hours of SCARS" and it should clarify alot of uncertainties you have about the abilities of our elite Spec-Ops teams and the KILLING skills they have. They also address using their techniques against MMA forms and how superior this type of fighting is due to the fact that many potential ENEMY special ops teams from other countries are highly trained in MMA techniques. In a "street fight" a SEAL is thinking on an entirely different level then a "MMA guy" and most likely wont have the ability to separate what he is trained to do in combat from a "street fight", which is to KILL in a lethally aggressive manner.

First of all, I wasn't able to find such article on that site, secondly, reading from inventor of the "art"? Maybe that's a little biased? That's like going to ford.com and reading about how they make the best cars in the world.

*edit: found the search button.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: se7en
MMA Fighter wins.

No most fighters couldn't make it as a Navy Seal but that isnt really the question. The fighters are trained to fight people 1on1 and seals are as well however that isn't their 100% focus.

And yes seals know tricks like eye gouging or w/e but the three stooges knew that one as well. It would be close as I dont think it would very one sided at all but in the end I think we know the outcome.

It's hard to KO someone from the full mount when you are receiving constant blows to the testicles. It gets a little distracting.