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Arkaign

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Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This is a fight people have when they are like 10 year olds: "Who can beat who up"

Seriously, people are downplaying Elite SpecOps personnel by a lot.

1. If we are comparing Elites, then shouldn't we use Delta Force Operatives instead of SEALS? After all, Seals are that top in the Navy, Delta's are the top of the top in all branches.

Agreed. Deltas are the ultimate badasses, and could kill anyone (including UFC guys) in no time. How much use would they be on the type of missions they go on if they could be easily taken out by some guy who knows a few martial arts? With several years of Delta training and missions ON TOP of their initial several years of Spec Ops training and missions (Rangers, SEALs whatever) I'm sure they can more than hold their own.

A "no weapons" fight would be even more fictional than this one though, as I would be surprised if those guys ever went anywhere on or off duty without a knife and/or gun.

Well, actually even if a normal martial artist could beat their ass in a one on one no weapons fight, they would still be amazingly useful. I'll tell you why.

The military does not send in alone unarmed troops to fight wars!!!! They send in people highly trained to use their environment and weapons to engage a foe without being seen and take them out. I highly doubt delta force guys tap the guy on the shoulder and try to kill him with their bare hands. I'd think their most important skill is using squad based tactics to defeat their opponents. Again, there is no damn reason soldiers of any kind need expert hand to hand combat skills. They need good / passable skills to deal with the rare situation where they are alone and unarmed.

So then this whole premise is unfairly biased toward the UFC guy. How about UFC vs Delta with knives or clubs? This would seem much more fair, and if the elite UFC guy was so awesome he could easily disarm the Delta and use one of the choke/death moves that he's spent decades perfecting!

Exactly my point. Most people here seem to thing elite soldier groups are like rambo. Just one man super killing machines that can be dropped into the jungle behind the lines with just a paper clip and a compass and will have the communists giving up their whole country by lunchtime.

They don't understand the purpose of military training and the purpose of combat sports. Simply put, the need of unarmed hand to hand, one on one, fighting is not very high for the military.

That's funny, that's almost the entire emphasis of the IDF and the Krav Maga training. Multiple opponents and unspecified weaponry. Bursting. Etc. And that model is closely reflected in SAS, and so on.

What you say does have an element of truth though, as easily 75% of the consistency of elite military training is in operations; detect/evade, communication, stealth, intelligence, languages, etc, etc. But you have to also realize that it takes millions of dollars and countless man-hours to train a single individual to be combat ready at that level, and that they're not going to just 'gloss over' the hand-to-hand aspect, as that would be an unacceptable risk to run with investments of that magnitude. No battle plan survives contact with the enemy is an old but well respected maxim. For this reason, basic direct-contact combat training is integral to the survivability of these men. Above all, the psychological development is to become a singular implementation of death, with zero respect or compunction for the human life that is unlucky enough to be their target(s).

Strangely enough, you see the result of the differing psychological profiles and even moods, in unexpected results. How many times have you predicted that one fighter would win, having obvious advantages in training, style, or raw stamina and strength, yet the underdog would just will himself on to victory regardless. That's only a fraction of the kind of drive that exists in men who prepare for a career serving their nations at the very probable cost of their own lives in the event of a serious engagement.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I've said this again and again in this post, the psyschological factor makes a huge difference in a fight. There are tons of experiences all over the net where guys who have spent years in martial arts training have completely lost their nerve in an unexpected street fight or violent encounter.

MMA guys (even the elite ones) for the most part do not have pyschological training that a Seal does. I don't care how much training a guy has went through, if he gets into a fight to the death and if he's not completely focused he will forget parts of his training or make some other mistake due to being nervous and that will do him in. That's not to say every MMA fighter will turn coward in a deathmatch, but they are'nt trained for it the way a Seal does. It would probably be safe to say that 100% of Seals in active duty have the mental skills to put fear aside (or master that fear) in a life threatening situation in order not to jeopardize their unit or their task at hand. I highly doubt most MMA fighters train in that kind of manner, it would'nt make sense to since they most likely will not find themselves in life threatening situations the way a Seal would.

Its one thing to fight in a match or bar brawl, but when you know you're fighting a guy who's going to kill you if you slip up I guarantee nerves will make the most trained MMA guy fearful and less effective.

For the 1000th time, the OP states "elite Seal vs elite MMA". The ranking champion MMA guys do not "forget" moves in the heat of battle out of fear. The lowest of the low MMA guys go into the ring knowing they are going to get the shit kicked out of them even if they win, and suffer bare knuckle shots to the face and body, and likely take weeks to recover from the beatdown. And I accept elite Seal have likely seen combat, but I doubt even an elite Seal member has almost any hand-to-hand combat experience in those combat missions which are almost all likely weapons hot scenarios. How often has a Seal team had to infiltrate someplace ninjastyle and conduct a series of one-on-one unarmed encounters without even using a knife? why the hell would they?

First off there are some logical issues with your response.

#1 How do you know the champion MMA guys never forgets moves. I'm not saying that they do, I just wondered how you knew.

#2 There is no subsitute for a life and death situation. There is an entirely different mindset when you are fighting for your life versus fighting for any other reason. Either the best or worst will come out in those kind of situations, which is why Seals train specifically to overcome any mental weaknesses in those areas. Also combat experience gives them an edge over any opponent who has never been in that kind of scenario before.

#3 How do you know Seals don't engage in hand to hand combat while in the field? There's a reason they are trained in hand to hand, because those situations likely come up for whatever reason. What's the point of training them for a scenario that will never happen? I'm sure they don't plan on going into a mission or fight with the intent of fighting hand to hand, but I'm sure in combat things don't always go according to plan.
 

lyssword

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I've said this again and again in this post, the psyschological factor makes a huge difference in a fight. There are tons of experiences all over the net where guys who have spent years in martial arts training have completely lost their nerve in an unexpected street fight or violent encounter.

MMA guys (even the elite ones) for the most part do not have pyschological training that a Seal does. I don't care how much training a guy has went through, if he gets into a fight to the death and if he's not completely focused he will forget parts of his training or make some other mistake due to being nervous and that will do him in. That's not to say every MMA fighter will turn coward in a deathmatch, but they are'nt trained for it the way a Seal does. It would probably be safe to say that 100% of Seals in active duty have the mental skills to put fear aside (or master that fear) in a life threatening situation in order not to jeopardize their unit or their task at hand. I highly doubt most MMA fighters train in that kind of manner, it would'nt make sense to since they most likely will not find themselves in life threatening situations the way a Seal would.

Its one thing to fight in a match or bar brawl, but when you know you're fighting a guy who's going to kill you if you slip up I guarantee nerves will make the most trained MMA guy fearful and less effective.

For the 1000th time, the OP states "elite Seal vs elite MMA". The ranking champion MMA guys do not "forget" moves in the heat of battle out of fear. The lowest of the low MMA guys go into the ring knowing they are going to get the shit kicked out of them even if they win, and suffer bare knuckle shots to the face and body, and likely take weeks to recover from the beatdown. And I accept elite Seal have likely seen combat, but I doubt even an elite Seal member has almost any hand-to-hand combat experience in those combat missions which are almost all likely weapons hot scenarios. How often has a Seal team had to infiltrate someplace ninjastyle and conduct a series of one-on-one unarmed encounters without even using a knife? why the hell would they?

First off there are some logical issues with your response.

#1 How do you know the champion MMA guys never forgets moves. I'm not saying that they do, I just wondered how you knew.

#2 There is no subsitute for a life and death situation. There is an entirely different mindset when you are fighting for your life versus fighting for any other reason. Either the best or worst will come out in those kind of situations, which is why Seals train specifically to overcome any mental weaknesses in those areas. Also combat experience gives them an edge over any opponent who has never been in that kind of scenario before.

#3 How do you know Seals don't engage in hand to hand combat while in the field? There's a reason they are trained in hand to hand, because those situations likely come up for whatever reason. What's the point of training them for a scenario that will never happen? I'm sure they don't plan on going into a mission or fight with the intent of fighting hand to hand, but I'm sure in combat things don't always go according to plan.

Ok, who will have better psychological training, pushing yourself to win millions of dollars against top fighters, for 10+ years. Top elite MMA'ers have FOUGHT the toughest, strongest, quickest, smartest opponnents.

Navy SEAL gets paid 40k a year. Navy Seals have fought instructors or their teammates or a dummy target practice and you think it would make them better?


From wikipedia SEAL's training is:

* Sniper
* Breaching
* Surreptitious Entry
* Electronic and Media Exploitation
* Technical Surveillance
* High Threat Protective Security (PSD)
* Advanced Weapons Training
* Advanced Driving Skills (Urban/Rural/Security)
* Advanced Climbing/Rope Skills
* Advanced Air Operations: HALO/HAHO/Jumpmaster/Parachute Rigger and Packer
* Diving Supervisor
* Range Safety Officer
* Instructor School
* Leadership School
* Foreign Weapons
* Unmanned Aerial Vehicle / Precision bombing Operator]]
* Language School
* Advanced Special Operations

And you think they will spend more than 20% of that time doing hand-to hand combat?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I've said this again and again in this post, the psyschological factor makes a huge difference in a fight. There are tons of experiences all over the net where guys who have spent years in martial arts training have completely lost their nerve in an unexpected street fight or violent encounter.

MMA guys (even the elite ones) for the most part do not have pyschological training that a Seal does. I don't care how much training a guy has went through, if he gets into a fight to the death and if he's not completely focused he will forget parts of his training or make some other mistake due to being nervous and that will do him in. That's not to say every MMA fighter will turn coward in a deathmatch, but they are'nt trained for it the way a Seal does. It would probably be safe to say that 100% of Seals in active duty have the mental skills to put fear aside (or master that fear) in a life threatening situation in order not to jeopardize their unit or their task at hand. I highly doubt most MMA fighters train in that kind of manner, it would'nt make sense to since they most likely will not find themselves in life threatening situations the way a Seal would.

Its one thing to fight in a match or bar brawl, but when you know you're fighting a guy who's going to kill you if you slip up I guarantee nerves will make the most trained MMA guy fearful and less effective.

For the 1000th time, the OP states "elite Seal vs elite MMA". The ranking champion MMA guys do not "forget" moves in the heat of battle out of fear. The lowest of the low MMA guys go into the ring knowing they are going to get the shit kicked out of them even if they win, and suffer bare knuckle shots to the face and body, and likely take weeks to recover from the beatdown. And I accept elite Seal have likely seen combat, but I doubt even an elite Seal member has almost any hand-to-hand combat experience in those combat missions which are almost all likely weapons hot scenarios. How often has a Seal team had to infiltrate someplace ninjastyle and conduct a series of one-on-one unarmed encounters without even using a knife? why the hell would they?

First off there are some logical issues with your response.

#1 How do you know the champion MMA guys never forgets moves. I'm not saying that they do, I just wondered how you knew.

#2 There is no subsitute for a life and death situation. There is an entirely different mindset when you are fighting for your life versus fighting for any other reason. Either the best or worst will come out in those kind of situations, which is why Seals train specifically to overcome any mental weaknesses in those areas. Also combat experience gives them an edge over any opponent who has never been in that kind of scenario before.

#3 How do you know Seals don't engage in hand to hand combat while in the field? There's a reason they are trained in hand to hand, because those situations likely come up for whatever reason. What's the point of training them for a scenario that will never happen? I'm sure they don't plan on going into a mission or fight with the intent of fighting hand to hand, but I'm sure in combat things don't always go according to plan.

1. You claim I said "never", but I stated "they do not forget" which implies generally. But saying an elite MMA master might forget a move in combat which they train a lifetime for is about as likely as a professional baseball player forgetting how to catch a ball.

2. You're arguing that somehow now that their life is on the line the elite MMA guy is going to fight worse or become paralyzed with fear or start hesitating b/c they are in a fight for their life. You also assert pretty strongly that the life/death fight is a world apart from a non-lethal fight in terms of mentality. I don't accept those assertion. I think they'd go the other way, and almost revel in the chance to finally unleash the holy hell that is a lifetime of hand-to-hand training knowing that they don't have to stop or back off in the slightest. MMA guys don't go into the business because they are sweet gentle souls; they do it b/c they like hurting people.

3. I don't know the details of covert Seal missions. I merely think it is pretty absurd to think a knife wielding, gun toting instrument of death would go around on missions with his entire team in enemy territory engaging in unarmed combat with his opponents. And that even if he did, such situations would be very, very rare. And in those very, very rare situations, it would likely be sneaking up on a guy from behind and snapping his neck, not engaging in a rolling in the dirt drag out fist fight.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: torpid
I think we all need to go outside and look at what an average street is like and see what sort of improvisational tactics could be employed. On my street, there are lots of bicycles and many have mirrors. If you could break that off, suddenly it's no longer unarmed combat yet still fits the situation the OP described since he said they could make use of their environs. I have a feeling breaking a glass window might also be useful.

I made that point a couple times but was ignored by the UFC fanbois.
 

SAWYER

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"Deltas are the ultimate badasses, and could kill anyone (including UFC guys) in no time. "


LOL no. While I agree they are badasses they MMA guys are trained specifically to kick ass and that's what they do.
 

Vehemence

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I've said this again and again in this post, the psyschological factor makes a huge difference in a fight. There are tons of experiences all over the net where guys who have spent years in martial arts training have completely lost their nerve in an unexpected street fight or violent encounter.

MMA guys (even the elite ones) for the most part do not have pyschological training that a Seal does. I don't care how much training a guy has went through, if he gets into a fight to the death and if he's not completely focused he will forget parts of his training or make some other mistake due to being nervous and that will do him in. That's not to say every MMA fighter will turn coward in a deathmatch, but they are'nt trained for it the way a Seal does. It would probably be safe to say that 100% of Seals in active duty have the mental skills to put fear aside (or master that fear) in a life threatening situation in order not to jeopardize their unit or their task at hand. I highly doubt most MMA fighters train in that kind of manner, it would'nt make sense to since they most likely will not find themselves in life threatening situations the way a Seal would.

Its one thing to fight in a match or bar brawl, but when you know you're fighting a guy who's going to kill you if you slip up I guarantee nerves will make the most trained MMA guy fearful and less effective.

For the 1000th time, the OP states "elite Seal vs elite MMA". The ranking champion MMA guys do not "forget" moves in the heat of battle out of fear. The lowest of the low MMA guys go into the ring knowing they are going to get the shit kicked out of them even if they win, and suffer bare knuckle shots to the face and body, and likely take weeks to recover from the beatdown. And I accept elite Seal have likely seen combat, but I doubt even an elite Seal member has almost any hand-to-hand combat experience in those combat missions which are almost all likely weapons hot scenarios. How often has a Seal team had to infiltrate someplace ninjastyle and conduct a series of one-on-one unarmed encounters without even using a knife? why the hell would they?

#2 There is no subsitute for a life and death situation. There is an entirely different mindset when you are fighting for your life versus fighting for any other reason. Either the best or worst will come out in those kind of situations, which is why Seals train specifically to overcome any mental weaknesses in those areas. Also combat experience gives them an edge over any opponent who has never been in that kind of scenario before.


Trying to say an elite mixed martial artist is going to buckle to fear regarding hand-to-hand combat is absurd. They're exposed to hand-to-hand combat and violence on a daily level; it's their entire career and lifestyle.

A SEAL's courage in a military mission, warzone, some sort of catastrophe, etc is where an MMA fighter would probably not even come close to, since they're not trained for nor exposed for that. Much like how a SEAL certainly isn't trained for or exposed to various advanced martial arts created to destroy or defend against a formidable opponent on a daily basis and as a career like this MMA fighter would be, since that's a fraction of what would constitutes a SEAL. SEALs can fight, but don't dedicate their life to it. They'd be severely limiting themselves as an elite, tactical military unit if that was the case.
 

lyssword

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While SEALS train how to setup explosives, technology and swim in water, MMA fighters easily spend 100x more time doing actual fighting. Elite MMA fighters are paid for a reason, because they are better than anyone else at what they do.

Matt Hughes was wrestler? How is that weak? Yes, a wrestler at national level. Means he was much better than others. Wrestling is one of most physically demanding sports so don't dismiss it. He can do 310 bench, squat - 375, deadlift - 425lb. Not shabby for a guy who's 170. Here's what he says about his grappling: I get a lot of my power from my back, and body position. I can take a 240 pound guy, who would beat me in every lift badly, and
grapple him and make him feel weak. I call that usable power and that has to do with body position and leverage. -Matt OK, I know Matt Hughes is an asshole in real life, but you don't want to fight that guy And GSP now can easily kick his ass. That's competition for you.

MMA is all science. Whatever works, will be used. Whatever doesn't, well, doesn't. Nothing mythical.

while we're on the subject of mystical and magical, watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...IDvj6I&feature=related
 

Lash444

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: torpid
I think we all need to go outside and look at what an average street is like and see what sort of improvisational tactics could be employed. On my street, there are lots of bicycles and many have mirrors. If you could break that off, suddenly it's no longer unarmed combat yet still fits the situation the OP described since he said they could make use of their environs. I have a feeling breaking a glass window might also be useful.

I made that point a couple times but was ignored by the UFC fanbois.

The UFC fanbois don't ignore it. They concede that weapons (specifically knives) probably give the SEAL an advantage. Of course, that is debateable just like everything else. The question that everyone else who has read the thread contends "Would an Elite MMA fighter or a Navy SEAL win a spur of the moment fight to the death, hand to hand combat only?". As posted in the subject line. Whether you like it or not, thats where the threads gone. The forum is split on Navy and MMA just hand-to-hand.

The OP kind of confuses things a bit specifying hand-to-hand, but then allowing objects you can find in the street. If the MMA fighters can't even convince the supporters of the SEALs that they have the upperhand doing something they train for all day long, how can they expect to convince them they are wrong with something they might have spent 2-5% of their time training with.

Its a good debate, no point in adding in weapons. IMO.


 

torpid

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Originally posted by: lyssword
While SEALS train how to setup explosives, technology and swim in water, MMA fighters easily spend 100x more time doing actual fighting. Elite MMA fighters are paid for a reason, because they are better than anyone else at what they do.

Matt Hughes was wrestler? How is that weak? Yes, a wrestler at national level. Means he was much better than others. Wrestling is one of most physically demanding sports so don't dismiss it. He can do 310 bench, squat - 375, deadlift - 425lb. Not shabby for a guy who's 170. Here's what he says about his grappling: I get a lot of my power from my back, and body position. I can take a 240 pound guy, who would beat me in every lift badly, and
grapple him and make him feel weak. I call that usable power and that has to do with body position and leverage. -Matt OK, I know Matt Hughes is an asshole in real life, but you don't want to fight that guy And GSP now can easily kick his ass. That's competition for you.

MMA is all science. Whatever works, will be used. Whatever doesn't, well, doesn't. Nothing mythical.

while we're on the subject of mystical and magical, watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...IDvj6I&feature=related

If you are responding to me, I was merely refuting the claim that Matt Hughes (and other MMA guys) spent most of his life training in MMA. Much of his life was spent training in wrestling and not MMA.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: lyssword
While SEALS train how to setup explosives, technology and swim in water, MMA fighters easily spend 100x more time doing actual fighting. Elite MMA fighters are paid for a reason, because they are better than anyone else at what they do.

Matt Hughes was wrestler? How is that weak? Yes, a wrestler at national level. Means he was much better than others. Wrestling is one of most physically demanding sports so don't dismiss it. He can do 310 bench, squat - 375, deadlift - 425lb. Not shabby for a guy who's 170. Here's what he says about his grappling: I get a lot of my power from my back, and body position. I can take a 240 pound guy, who would beat me in every lift badly, and
grapple him and make him feel weak. I call that usable power and that has to do with body position and leverage. -Matt OK, I know Matt Hughes is an asshole in real life, but you don't want to fight that guy And GSP now can easily kick his ass. That's competition for you.

MMA is all science. Whatever works, will be used. Whatever doesn't, well, doesn't. Nothing mythical.

while we're on the subject of mystical and magical, watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...IDvj6I&feature=related

If you are responding to me, I was merely refuting the claim that Matt Hughes (and other MMA guys) spent most of his life training in MMA. Much of his life was spent training in wrestling and not MMA.

MMA isn't a single style - the MIXED is part of the name for a reason. People come from BJJ, wrestling, MT, whatever. Matt Hughes' background *happens* to be wrestling, which is good for submissions and groundwork. GSP totally owned him though... goddamn GSP, you are a monster!
 

lyssword

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: lyssword
While SEALS train how to setup explosives, technology and swim in water, MMA fighters easily spend 100x more time doing actual fighting. Elite MMA fighters are paid for a reason, because they are better than anyone else at what they do.

Matt Hughes was wrestler? How is that weak? Yes, a wrestler at national level. Means he was much better than others. Wrestling is one of most physically demanding sports so don't dismiss it. He can do 310 bench, squat - 375, deadlift - 425lb. Not shabby for a guy who's 170. Here's what he says about his grappling: I get a lot of my power from my back, and body position. I can take a 240 pound guy, who would beat me in every lift badly, and
grapple him and make him feel weak. I call that usable power and that has to do with body position and leverage. -Matt OK, I know Matt Hughes is an asshole in real life, but you don't want to fight that guy And GSP now can easily kick his ass. That's competition for you.

MMA is all science. Whatever works, will be used. Whatever doesn't, well, doesn't. Nothing mythical.

while we're on the subject of mystical and magical, watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...IDvj6I&feature=related

If you are responding to me, I was merely refuting the claim that Matt Hughes (and other MMA guys) spent most of his life training in MMA. Much of his life was spent training in wrestling and not MMA.

Wrestling is part of the first letter in MMA. (Mixed). Wrestling has a lot of defensive moves, they are one of hardest guys to take down. Amateur wrestling (not WWE) is a legit martial art with a few modifications and a legit sport.

By the way matt hughes started wrestling at 8, so he wrestled till I assume, 20. That's 12 years. And he was in pro MMA for 10 years, so he didn't wrestle that much more than he did mma.
 

slimrhcp

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Wow, some of the responses in this thread are so ill conceived. MMA fighters train/spar/fight everyday. If Navy Seals were so dominant in hand to hand combat, why aren't the fight leagues swampped with people who learned how to fight in the military? MMA fighters deal with the pressure of combat far more often than military personnel, thus the MMA fighters would have the mental advantage/experience. MMA fighters are trained in all aspects of hand to hand fighting. While a Seal would go for a pressure point, the MMA fighter would secure a Thai Clinch, catch an armbar, or score a leg sweep into a dominant position. I'd like to see a Navy Seal pass guard, escape a triange choke, or sweep an MMA fighter. A Navy Seal would be defenseless against an MMA fighter even from the begining. When they're squared up, what's a navy seal's defense against leg kicks? A double leg takedown or a clean uchi-mata (that's a judo throw) would result in an instant knockout on the street.

A fight on a battlefield is a different story. Obviously the naval seal would get the nod in that case, but there is an obvious answer to the question posed.

MMA fighter wins via any way he wants in an unarmed combat situation.
 

StageLeft

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It's downright pathetic that almost half the people here think a navy seal could take out an MMA. fvcking lame, you people need a clue and drop the jingoism for a moment, PLEASE. Seals aren't even the best special ops in the world, please cease and desist!
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's downright pathetic that almost half the people here think a navy seal could take out an MMA. fvcking lame, you people need a clue and drop the jingoism for a moment, PLEASE. Seals aren't even the best special ops in the world, please cease and desist!

and the average MMA fighter sucks, I've seen plenty of MMA events, outside of UFC & Pride a lot of the MMA fighters are dudes who train a few hours a week when they're not working their 9-5. The MMA elite who train and fight for a living are few and far in between. There are very few skilled BBJ people in MMA, a lot are just brawlers who might have a few years of Wrestling or BJJ but nothing serious. We're not talking Chuck Liddell's here, we're talking people who will never be a professional fighter and will fight once every 6 months at an Indian Casino somwhere for a tiny show.

That fighter could still whoop my ass, but I don't think they could handle a Seal like it was nothing. Besides I would bet a good percentage of Seals were probably Wrestlers, or some sort of Judo or BJJ type training prior to becoming a Seal. The average Seal is nothing like Steven Segal in Under Seige, but the average MMA dude isn't that skilled either.

Go watch some small time MMA and you'll see sloppy ass take downs with piss poor ground game. The fighters are mostly heart, with little skill.
 

coldmeat

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Originally posted by: QueBert
We're not talking Chuck Liddell's here, we're talking people who will never be a professional fighter and will fight once every 6 months at an Indian Casino somwhere for a tiny show.

Did you even read the OP?
 

AAman

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A very entertaining thread...I've never met these MMA guys, but I've met several past and present Navy Seals and I'd bet on them everytime.
 

Sureshot324

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The UFC is a much more exclusive group. There are about 2500 navy seals and only about 20-30 UFC fighters, and the UFC arguably has the best fighters in the world, whereas the navy seals only have the best in the USA, and many would argue that other countries', such as England's, special forces are trained better. The mainstream media glorifies the Navy Seals and makes them out to be superhuman, but they're really just one step above the army, and nearly anyone could be in the army if they trained for it.
 

Vehemence

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Originally posted by: Sureshot324
The UFC is a much more exclusive group. There are about 2500 navy seals and only about 20-30 UFC fighters, and the UFC arguably has the best fighters in the world, whereas the navy seals only have the best in the USA, and many would argue that other countries', such as England's, special forces are trained better. The mainstream media glorifies the Navy Seals and makes them out to be superhuman, but they're really just one step above the army, and nearly anyone could be in the army if they trained for it.

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Originally posted by: Sureshot324
The UFC is a much more exclusive group. There are about 2500 navy seals and only about 20-30 UFC fighters, and the UFC arguably has the best fighters in the world, whereas the navy seals only have the best in the USA, and many would argue that other countries', such as England's, special forces are trained better. The mainstream media glorifies the Navy Seals and makes them out to be superhuman, but they're really just one step above the army, and nearly anyone could be in the army if they trained for it.

Here are the training and requirements to join the Navy Seals according to Wikipedia. It's really not that impressive:




Entering training to become a Navy SEAL is voluntary. Anyone can volunteer, and officers and enlisted men train side by side. In order to enter SEAL training, however, one does have to meet certain requirements. Those wishing to volunteer for SEAL training have to:

* be an active-duty, male member of the United States Navy
* be 28 or younger (although waivers for 29 and 30 year olds are possible)
* have uncorrected vision no worse than 20/200 in both eyes correctable to 20/20 through contacts or glasses (corrective surgery PRK is also possible)
* be a US citizen
* pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) test

SEALs in woodlands operation
SEALs in woodlands operation

SEAL Training consists of the following:

* 3 weeks Indoctrination Course at Coronado, CA
* 24 weeks Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training at the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado, California near San Diego
* 1 week of static line jump training, followed by 3 weeks of Military Free Fall (MFF) Qualification training at Tactical Air Operations in Otay, CA
* At Coronado, CA and Kodiak, AK, 19-week SEAL Qualification Training (SQT).

After this, the trainee is officially named a SEAL.[2]

[edit] Screening

Assignment to BUD/S is conditional on passing the PST, which requires the following minima:

* 500-yard (457 m) swim using breast or side stroke in under 12:30
* At least 42 push-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* At least 6 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles (2.4 km) in boots and trousers 11:30
* Members? vision must be no worse than 20/200 in both eyes. Vision must be correctable to 20/20. SEAL candidates may qualify for PRK surgery to correct their vision

Again, the above are the minimum requirements necessary to qualify for BUD/S. Prospective trainees are expected to far exceed these minimums. Competitive scores are as follows:

* 500-yard swim using breast or combat side stroke in 10:00 minutes
* 79 push-ups in 2 minutes
* 79 sit-ups in 2 minutes
* 11 pull-ups from a dead hang (no time limit)
* Run 1.5 miles in boots and long pants in 10:20
 
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