You were politely asked to stay out of this PSU thread unless you have first hand experience on the quality that you were raving about.
And you did not seem to understand my request.
So:
Stay away from that thread or you WILL be handed a vacation.
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Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I think mindless1 is getting the old X-Connect 500W confused with all of the other Ultra PSU's.
First I will make clear my post is only short to make clear what I'd already written, no new information or opinion.
I have two V-Series in front of me right now. No confusion.
Although the V-Series is a "Value" PSU (hence the "V") I know for a fact it's not as problematic as he's making it out to sound.
I looked, reported. If what was reported sounds problematic, what can I do?
The two products aren't even from the same OEM. The X-Connect was built by Youngyear while all other Ultra power supplies are built by Wintech.
Even the PSU ordered from this thread deal, is sitting beside me.
And I think we can all agree that we can't trust MTBF! That's a service that should be discontinued, for sure.
It exists for a reason and parts specs, margins can determine true MTBF.
I'm not sure why you seem to think the insides of the V-Series I reviewed are different than what someone might buy. I happen to know for a fact that there have been no component or engineering changes inside the V-Series over it's product life outside of what brand caps are used (some are Jee, some are Su'scon, etc.)
I wrote caps and transformer at least. Your picture shows they are different on the two V-Series here.
Unless you're meaning to say that the PSU's (350W, 400W, 500W) aren't comparible to each other. If that's the case, you're correct. The actual internals of the three models are quite different. And the 600W and 700W are even more drastically different.
They are similar enough that if I swapped heatsinks, you'd need to look hard to tell the difference between 400 and 500W. Larger transformer, AC choke, HV caps physically smaller but a label that says they're same temp and higher uF (suspicious). The Ultrafast diode I'd mentioned on the 400W is replaced by a more suitable SBL3040PT. Even so, I did not claim all parts on all Ultras were the same, nothing at all like this. I commented on only those I have or have seen pictured clearly enough to see the problems mentioned. "Problem" means poor manufacturing that has historically shown to result in more failure points and frequency thereof, not that they'll all burst into flames the moment they're plugged in (but I don't rule anything out either).
Originally posted by: mindless1
Did you see the picture I already linked?
I saw it and thought it was strange that you used it as an example, stated that it's "not as bad as most you've seen" and then go on to point out that all of the "poor quality in assembliing" that seems to be the basis of your argument are "hidden amongst silvery wires." [/quote]
I mentioned several things, visible in that picture, only the splices are hidden behind the wires.
I'd like to believe you're not a troll or shill or at the very least a thread crapper, but how can you post a picture of a PSU, tell someone to "use their imagination" and then proceed to belittle a person when all they ask for is proof of what you're saying.
Look at what i wrote and the picture at the same time. I mentioned what could not be seen (specifically as such)
becauseit was an exception in not being visible. I only checked pictures after having noticed all this on the V-Series I'd already disassembled.
Unfortuntaely, you're killing your own cause. If you just came in and said, "I had a 500W V-Series and it burst into flames" you would've gotten the job done a lot more effectively.
My "cause" is to relay the facts, direct observation of V-Series PSU. I have no agenda except to compare to other alternatives in a free market by providing information. I have further encouraged others to provide information too. I'm not trying to paint a misleading picture and a single unit failing would do that. One unit failing can be random, all manufacturers have random failures. More troubling is consistently lower quality assembly (or parts specs in the case of the 400W). You may hook up PSU to test, but I actively disassemble and repair them too, for a decade (and AT PSU before that), I know a thing or two about this and odds are fair if/when these fail, I will end up repairing them. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd go up in flames or even fail soon, but eventually.
I think it's only fair that you mention your affiliation with Ultra when posting about them in a non-Ultra forum.
I also think it is only fair if you don't quote me if I'm not going to respond, having left the thread unless those feeling I shouldn't post, change their minds.