Ultra X-Connect 500w

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Mucker

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Originally posted by: Operandi
I don't see what's so hard to understand.... every good test points to the Ultra being a crap PSU (because it is). It can't sustain it's maximum rated output without outputting horrible voltages or shutting down/dieing what else do you need to know?

Many, many everyday users with zero problems is not a good test? Uh...OK whatever you say :roll: I'd say everday use provides the more reasonable and accurate depiction of this power supply. Sure anything mechanical or electrical can be run into the ground with enough continuous stress. It doesn't take too much searching around to see that many people are happy with these, that is, unless you want to hate or untolerate the X-Connect no matter what by just ignoring the facts.

Do you have sources for "all the good tests" you mention? Or are you just blowing smoke? (that's what I think you're doing) And I'd ask you to list some sources of good reviews also (but I think you hate it so much, you won't be able to bring yourself to do this). Give us a good balance please. It should be easy to figure out from there.....

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Mucker

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Originally posted by: MaverickBP
you speak of these "tests". but whats a better test then actual everyday usage? Many members here and myself included own this power supply and have no complaints. But like mucker said, theres no reason to justify anything. what works for one person may or may not work for another. You cant educate the opinionated. you cant teach the ignorant.

Big :thumbsup:

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Operandi

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Originally posted by: Mucker
Originally posted by: Operandi
I don't see what's so hard to understand.... every good test points to the Ultra being a crap PSU (because it is). It can't sustain it's maximum rated output without outputting horrible voltages or shutting down/dieing what else do you need to know?

Many, many everyday users with zero problems is not a good test? Uh...OK whatever you say :roll: I'd say everday use provides the more reasonable and accurate depiction of this power supply. Sure anything mechanical or electrical can be run into the ground with enough continuous stress. It doesn't take too much searching around to see that many people are happy with these, that is, unless you want to hate or untolerate the X-Connect no matter what by just ignoring the facts.

Do you have sources for "all the good tests" you mention? Or are you just blowing smoke? (that's what I think you're doing) And I'd ask you to list some sources of good reviews also (but I think you hate it so much, you won't be able to bring yourself to do this). Give us a good balance please. It should be easy to figure out from there.....

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Everyday usage means almost nothing, the only thing it "accurately" show is that PSU "works". The only way your going to learn anything about a PSU is it stress it hard under full load, anything less is completely meaningless.

You say there are plenty of people using the Ultra with zero problems. That may be true but a generic PSU would do just as well most of the time with zero problems?. dose that mean generic PSU's are good?

As for the tests I'm referring to, one is the MaxPC roundup; I don't have a link to that but it performed very badly, if you search you should find info on it. TrustedReviews did a good roundup (read the testing methodology). And there is the review by 3D velocity, not the best test in the world but it gives you good indication of what the PSU can do.
 

ribbon13

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Can't teach the ignorant? Isn't ignorant the state of not knowing? Can't teach the stupid maybe.

A Seasonic/Fortron/Zippy 300w would run 80% of the desktop PC systems out there. A PCP&C Turbo-Cool 470 would run the next 15%. Only the last 5% really should have any worry.
 

QueBert

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Real world usage is what I base my buying choices off of. Most reviews consist of 1 or 2 days of use of something. Before I bought the Ultra I chatted with 4 people who had it and all said it was good. Then for conformation I Googled for reviews and the first 10 I read gave it high praise. Are there bad reviews of it out there? sure. but I've heard bad things about Enermax, if I see 5 good for ever 1 bad, I'll go with the popular opinion.

and about the trustreview review where the Ultra "blew up" it's obvious they got a bad unit. There's not a single company who can claim 100% when it comes to shipping fully working products. I think for the sake of making the round-up fair they should have asked for a replacement unit, or not included the Ultra at all. I'm sure if they had gotten a OCZ that "blew up" durring the tests, they would have said "OCZ is good blah blah blah but we got a fault unit" They did nothing of the sorts with Ultra, they said "this PSU IS CRAPOLA!"
not true
 
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Originally posted by: QueBert
Real world usage is what I base my buying choices off of. Most reviews consist of 1 or 2 days of use of something. Before I bought the Ultra I chatted with 4 people who had it and all said it was good. Then for conformation I Googled for reviews and the first 10 I read gave it high praise. Are there bad reviews of it out there? sure. but I've heard bad things about Enermax, if I see 5 good for ever 1 bad, I'll go with the popular opinion.

and about the trustreview review where the Ultra "blew up" it's obvious they got a bad unit. There's not a single company who can claim 100% when it comes to shipping fully working products. I think for the sake of making the round-up fair they should have asked for a replacement unit, or not included the Ultra at all. I'm sure if they had gotten a OCZ that "blew up" durring the tests, they would have said "OCZ is good blah blah blah but we got a fault unit" They did nothing of the sorts with Ultra, they said "this PSU IS CRAPOLA!"
not true


What bothered me about the MaxPC and the TrustedReviews tests results for the Ultra was that they were testing for maximum sustained output. In both cases the Ultras blew.

Personally I don't want to run a power supply near it's maximum output for extended periods of time ---- shortens the life of the PSU. My last PSU, an Antec True550 died that way after 2.5 years. When the PSU starts to failure, it doesn't regulate properly anymore and that in turn can stress hardware. Worse problem you can get is intermittent failure and I can't afford to subject all my components to that. Talking with electrical engineers at work who design power supplies for aerospace apps, I hear the same thing.

From tests that go for max output the Ultras failed, which suggests their true sustained max output is something lower than what they claim. No need for me to take the risk of going there. I don't want to worry about my PSU's stability. In both cases where the PSU blew, the testers opened the PSUs up and found the components to be undersized/power quality than the competition. Everyone compromises when they select their components. I'm with those who don't gamble on the Ultra-X.
 

TrendyGuy

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Mar 3, 2005
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I just recieved a Ultra X-Connect 500w PSU today. After first taking it out of the box I was very pleased with it. After taking the cables out I became very frustrated. The one cable to the Motherboard is about 1 inch thick. My case is a normal size case not a huge server case. Not only is this thick but long. It does not give much room for play in the case. There was only 1 way I was able to fit it so it could work which included me using empty drive bays to fit the extra length of the cord, otherwise I would have been returning this.

After getting everything connect I turn on the PSU to hear a jet like fan spinning from the PSU. IT WAS DRIVING ME NUTS! After about 1 or 2 mins of this jet noise going off it finally slowed down but it still is somewhat louder then my last PSU. The noise level it is at now is livable but I would rather have it abit less noisie. I am glad I bought this New on Ebay for only $60 since regular price is not worth it.

I am wondering if anyone has or knows if it is possible to make this thing less noisie. If it is as simple as switching out some new fans please reccomend some to me. Please let me know. Thank you.
 

Idleuser

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Sep 22, 2004
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LOl trendyguy did you sign up just to make a negative statement? The 20pin cable length is standard just like all other non modular psu I don't see what's the big fuss.. you can even roll it up and coil it... The cable fits in my mini tower, mid tower, and server tower... so don't come here spaming... and it sounds like a Jet... I can't even hear it over my 2x120mm fans at 4 volts... and that's below 20dba...get out of here.. you ultra hater.
 

TrendyGuy

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Mar 3, 2005
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Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I did not think that I was spamming just giving my opinion on it, seeing if someone was able to help me out, and see if anyone had the same problem.

As for the noise. I find it noisie, I am sorry maybe I have sensitive ears or something. My computer sits right at my feet with nothing surrounding it and its noisie to me.
 

Idleuser

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Sep 22, 2004
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lol sorry I don't know what to say I thought you were another ultra hater... but my psu isn't even loud at all... probably only 5-10dba more higher in noise then my ocz powerstream 520w... maybe your ears are just really ultra sensitive! if it's loud like a jet you described then I suggest you send it back to ultra for a replacement. one of my fan's led failed and they gave me a full replacement.
 

TrendyGuy

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Mar 3, 2005
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Ok, thanks for the feedback. Don't get me wrong here. The PSU works great I have all my devices hooked up to it (and I have alot.LOL) and it works great. I noticed that the PSU has different fan speed settings according to im thinking maybe PSU temperture, im not sure if thats correct, cause sometimes it goes into Ultra High Fan mode and I can hear the PC from downstairs of my house. Have you at all experienced this. If it continues I will take your advice and contact Ultra about the problem.

Is it possible to replace fans in the PSU? I have not had much experience with PSUs before.
 

Gamingphreek

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5-10dba is is (5^5)-(10^10) times louder than the original. Remember dba/acoustics do not increase linearly, they increase logarithmicly.

Yes, in some PSU's it is possible to change the fan without modding anything.

-Kevin
 

Idleuser

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Sep 22, 2004
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yes you can replace the fans but the fans does round louder if it gets more hot... but mines rarely gets hot since i'm running h2o. You can replace the fans but it'll void your warranty. In a matter of fact if you ship your psu back to ultra you can tell them to change it to any color as long as it's the same price. I changed my uv green to uv blue
 

TrendyGuy

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Mar 3, 2005
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Yeah I am also runing h2o in my case. Which is why I don't understand why the fan speed increases sometimes. I just put it in today. So I am going to give it a few days and see how it goes. If its still bothering me I will call up Ultra and see what they say.

If I decide to replace the fans, which fans would you reccomend for the least noise?
 

Jeffyboy

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I thought I heard someone say he wouldn't touch the ultra with his dick? or was it a stick? hehe. Personally, I use the Antec Neopower 480W. Forget the Ultra... I hear lots of bad stuff about them.

Altho, as pretty as it is, I haven't used it myself.

Jeff
 

QueBert

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my Ultra is quiet, not as quite as my Enermax was. But it's never been even close to loud. if yours is that loud it might have something wrong with it.

 

MaverickBP

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i cant hear my ps runnin at all. only thing i hear is my raptor occasionally...or it may be my seagate...either way the ps is nice and quiet.

i should also note when my hd's aren'y grinding and doing metalwork...the loudest thing in my case is my 2 80mm led fans
 

jonnyGURU

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You want to quiet down your Ultra PSU?

Take the Ultra grill off and leave just the mesh. I found that most of that noise is caused by the obstruction of the Ultra logo.







Someone made the comment that you can't educate the ignorant... or stupid? I think it's mostly ignorance....

As some of you may know, I've gone from "light bulb testing" to actually aquiring a Sun Moon SM-268 load tester. I've seen the flaws of testing in BOTH arenas and have been taught some valuable lessons by someone that knows a hell of a lot more about power supplies than myself or anyone else here.

Wildly fluctuating 12V rail: In UNREALISTIC LOAD TESTS (as most are) you will see wild fluctuation of the voltage if one rail is loaded significantly, but another is not. So where as an Ultra can light up "more lightbulbs" than another PSU, OF COURSE the rail's voltage is going to fluctuate dramatically because the load on the 5V is not at a realistic level, or ratio if you will. These are switching power supplies. Rails are completely dependant on each other. Take a PSU like an Antec that has a ridiculous amount of amperage available on the 5V and hardly anything on the 12V and you're not going to light up as many light bulbs, but you will have very stable voltage readings. If you were to string up a bunch of 5V light bulbs, on the other hand, you'd light up more light bulbs, but then see the voltage fluctuate wildly just as they did on the Ultra.

This is why I will be using my Sun Moon to actually test three different hypothetical builds. Sure I'll do a 0 load test and a full load per label test, but I'll actually do a hypothetical 5V regulated CPU build (high 5V load), a hypothetical 12V regulated CPU with either SLI or RAID 5 (high 12V load) and a hypothetical "every day gamer's machine" with an AGP card and two hard drives in order to differentiate what PSU's are best for what as well as demostrate which one's are more stable under full load as per label and which are most efficient at 0 load. The more I read and the more I hear people argue, the more I realize there's no good PSU round ups on the net and the less I, or anyone else here, really knows about power supplies!

I just need to figure out where I'm going to post the results. For now, I'll probably just put them up on jonnyguru.com.

Also, Larry stated that a gamer would run their PC under maximum load? Larry.... Did you think that out before posting? Maximum load is full load on all rails. For a PC to run maximum load, not only would a person need to be "gaming" where they're probably maximizing 3.3V for their memory, and a good portion of 12V for their CPU and perhaps video card (depending on the video card,) but all of their drives would have to be running simultaneously, USB, Firewire and input devices would have to be running constantly and every PCI card in the case would have to be doing something or another. Maximum load is a synthetic number. It's the absolute maximum peak power that a PC is even capable of. It's not a ceiling for how much power you will draw at any constant rate.

Personally, I do not see any QC issues with the Ultra. You want to say the OCZ is "far superior?" Umm... There might be more people on this forum that has an OCZ over an Ultra, but I have both. The OCZ exhibits even WILDER voltage fluctuation under less strenuous loads on anything with a heavy 12V and 5V load (but looks fine when one is loaded and not the other. How odd. As if they expect you to plug in a bunch of hard drives and not use them. Or run a bunch of fans, but run an old school P!!! CPU.) Furthermore, under heavy load the OCZ has more ripple than a Ruffles potato chip. I'm in posession of more elaborate equipment to reflect this, but for the rest of you; just hook one up to a Kill-A-Watt and crank up the load. The wattage reading bounces all over the place.

Of course, that's all in extreme test-environment, worst case scenarios. Since 90% of you won't even get within 50% of that, you need to just not worry about it. Seriously.

I'm not going to say that Ultra makes a far superior PSU, and I'm not going to say that OCZ PSU's are crap. But for one to say that an OCZ is "far superior" than an Ultra or half of the other "enthusiasts" PSU's on the market is just a ridiculous statement.
 

Gamingphreek

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I respect your test and think you did an excellent job however the OCZ is far superior to the Ultra. Some of that ripple might be due to the fact that the OCZ has no power conditioning (PFC) while the Ultra has APFC. However; reviewers have put enormous strains on OCZ PSU's and they simply dont budge. I would be apt to think that you received a bad PSU.

As you said in that thread, the Ultra has all rails running off of 1 line, and has small capacitors and heatsinks. They are not at the level of quality or performance of the OCZ units. Modifying my original position, i would still put the OCZ right under the PCP&C however there is a much greater degree of difference that i notice now. The OCZ is not of the industrial quality of the PCP&C, nor was it intended to be. PCP&C and Zippy are the two leading performance PSU's, they are of the highest quality possible. However the OCZ i think is more consumer level with a touch of industrial.

-Kevin
 

jonnyGURU

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Umm... the Ultra's caps aren't any smaller than the OCZ's.

Also, the Ultra doesn't have APFC. Only in Europe where they sell a 230V only model.

Bad unit? I doubt that. If I power it down and then fire it back up again and run a normal load on it, it's clean again until I juice it up. I've got a Powerstream on the way that I'll play with. If the Modstream is defective, the Powerstream shouldn't do the same thing, right?

Like I said; OCZ is good. Just not great. Certainly not industrial. When I think industrial, I think of Zippy, PCP&C and Ablecom (SuperMicro.) Not OCZ. Open one up. There's nothing to it. Really. It might look packed because of the large "you-know-it's-a-Topower" heatsinks, but other than that, there's not much in there.

The heatsink in the Ultra?.... yep. They're small. That's why the GD fan always goes BRRRVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV all night long. I think I'm going to water cool the bitch.

EDIT: I want to admit that I'm wrong when I'm wrong. Although the Ultra and OCZ caps are similar in stature, the OCZ uses 200V 1200uA caps and the Ultra uses 200V 1000uA caps. My bad.

I still think it's funny that when I get an OCZ with poor ripple, it's a "rare defective unit," but when TrustedReviews blows one up it's, "clearly poor quality."
 

jonnyGURU

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DISCLAIMER: I WAS KIDDING ABOUT WATERCOOLING THE PSU!

God... could you imagine what would happen if you got a drip of water inside the PSU while it was running?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Also, Larry stated that a gamer would run their PC under maximum load? Larry.... Did you think that out before posting? Maximum load is full load on all rails.
Just a clarification - what I was talking about, and what you are talking about here, are actually slightly different things. I was talking about "max" utilization of the PC (although perhaps a more realistic statement would be 90%+ load), not "max" load on each rail according to the documented PSU specs.

So in that sense, using a CPU pinned at 100%, HDs in constant operation, 3D GPU commend queue being kept full, that is what I meant by "max" load, and wasn't incorrect. Whether that results in a load that draws the "max" load numbers as stated on the PSU, is another question. I think my original point was that someone that utilizes the features of their PC to the max, requires a supply to at least support those loads on a continous basis, and thus PSUs with ratings listed as only peak ("max") loads, weren't likely to be good enough.

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
For a PC to run maximum load, not only would a person need to be "gaming" where they're probably maximizing 3.3V for their memory, and a good portion of 12V for their CPU and perhaps video card (depending on the video card,) but all of their drives would have to be running simultaneously, USB, Firewire and input devices would have to be running constantly and every PCI card in the case would have to be doing something or another.
Guess you haven't seen what I do with my PC, sometimes. You're right though, that is a bit of an extreme scenario.
 
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