I totally agree, and when we have a dispute as to what happened that night (primarily being that zimmerman has accused trayvon of attacking him) then their history immediately before the event is hugely relevant.
We have zimmerman, who had some troubles as a teen but for the past 7 years was literally a model citizen. (again, for the crumptonites, if this all happened while zimmerman was going through his thug phase I would be signing a different tune). He routinely supported victim's rights, he volunteered, he was the neighborhood watch guy.......
...Then we have trayvon, who was directly in the middle of all sorts of problems from burglary to being kicked out of schools, etc etc etc. He was in the middle of some sort of out of school suspension during the very night that this happened. This makes trayvon's school records very important (particularly considering how much zimmerman's past was picked apart by the race baiters)
In my mind, dealing with their "histories" exactly the same, it appears much more likely that trayvon attacked zimmerman.
But was it congratulations or a question posted by the "cousin"? Or ridicule for not swinging on a bus driver, but what ever it was about it did not rate a "yes, no or ?HUH?" back from Trayvon.
Also "swinging on a bus driver" may just be slang for putting the moves on a ugly/gay girl.
You do know you sound like the clueless next door neighbor to the serial killer as they dig up the eighteenth body, "He was the model citizen, always quite and polite." Just ignore the reports of molesting a relative for years, racism on the job and abuse of his neighborhood watch duties.
But was it congratulations or a question posted by the "cousin"? Or ridicule for not swinging on a bus driver, but what ever it was about it did not rate a "yes, no or ?HUH?" back from Trayvon.
Also "swinging on a bus driver" may just be slang for putting the moves on a ugly/gay girl.
I would think that if it hadn't happened, Trayvon would probably refute it.
The silence either means he didn't notice the cousin's comment, or that he saw it, had done it, and decided it would be better to discuss such things where there was no record of it. This is consistent with him not being caught by any sort of officials doing it. Why create a twitter trail that could prove him guilty later? If currently the bus driver had no idea who he was, etc... we know he had no way of consistently, reliably getting around Sanford and lived in Miami Gardens. We know he had like two relatives of similar age to him, plus Chad Green, living in Sanford.
So, if he was riding a Sanford public transit bus around, for instance, and ended up punching the bus driver as a random act of unprovoked violence, or because he perceived attitude from the driver, or because he had no money to pay the fare like this young man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mBTwu1h_4 (also 17 at the time this took place)
regardless of why it ended up happening, if he told someone, or one of his relatives in Sanford was with him (I believe there were two different cousins, and then of course Chad) and relayed this to someone else, who then relayed it to the cousin on twitter, this is exactly the sort of response you'd expect.
It may even be possible that Trayvon felt he'd ruined the bus system in Sanford for himself, at least temporarily, and was afraid to try to ride again for fear of being identified by the bus drivers. This may be why he was walking around, or maybe it was just because 7/11 didn't strike him as far enough away to merit the bus... but maybe he was frustrated by ruining the bus option for himself, not having a car, being suspended, and now some bitch ass cracker is dogging him? Sheeeeit, maybe GZ's attention was the last straw.
Oh and keep in mind that as a bus driver in certain areas you get so used to certain types of horse shit (I used to be one) that if the driver didn't sustain serious injury... and if Trayvon was similarly hoodied up at that time, or just unremarkable looking enough... the driver might not even bother to report it, even to their own boss let alone the police. A lot of that sort of thing happens.
"Some punk kid threw a punch at me, my neck/shoulder/arm/jaw hurts but nothing was broken... do I really want to hassle with the paperwork? They'll never find this kid. He looks like a bunch of these kids who cause trouble on my bus... fuck it"
Now imagine you're that bus driver and you work long hours and you pay passing attention to this case at most, what pictures are you seeing when you do catch a story about it? 12 or 14 year old Trayvon. 10 year old Trayvon in his peewee football uniform. Are you going to fucking say "that's the guy" ? Fuck no. He doesn't look like that anymore, a person changes a lot in appearance when they hit that teen growth spurt, and I'd say Trayvon had hit it hard. The only thing he might recognize would be the 7-11 video. What percentage of casual observers have seen that? Seen it in any kind of decent quality? Seen the side angle view where you can see Trayvon in profile instead of bird's eye view? Seen it for more than a flash of a second?
A lot of things would need to come together for that bus driver to even POSSIBLY recognize him. Hell, even if it was a big to do around the bus station at that time, and they had print out security pictures from the bus's camera of him, whether it be Sanford buses or Miami Gardens buses... either way, the odds are strongly AGAINST anyone who was aware of it at that time, among the drivers, management at the bus company, police who took a report, actually connecting the dots and figuring out it's Trayvon.
Because again, the family was expert in which pictures they provided. The media has also basically ignored the bus driver tidbit entirely. What percentage of casual observers have seen the recent (gold grill, finger flipping, standing next to Deedee at school) pictures? It's hovering around 0%.
The average person, 99.999999% of people who pay attention to this case, in any way, in passing or whatever, have never heard about the bus driver thing. And have never seen the 7/11 tape. Especially the profile view.
as to the bolded...
I would think that if it hadn't happened, Trayvon would probably refute it.
The silence either means he didn't notice the cousin's comment, or that he saw it, had done it, and decided it would be better to discuss such things where there was no record of it. This is consistent with him not being caught by any sort of officials doing it. Why create a twitter trail that could prove him guilty later? If currently the bus driver had no idea who he was, etc... we know he had no way of consistently, reliably getting around Sanford and lived in Miami Gardens. We know he had like two relatives of similar age to him, plus Chad Green, living in Sanford.
So, if he was riding a Sanford public transit bus around, for instance, and ended up punching the bus driver as a random act of unprovoked violence, or because he perceived attitude from the driver, or because he had no money to pay the fare like this young man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mBTwu1h_4 (also 17 at the time this took place)
regardless of why it ended up happening, if he told someone, or one of his relatives in Sanford was with him (I believe there were two different cousins, and then of course Chad) and relayed this to someone else, who then relayed it to the cousin on twitter, this is exactly the sort of response you'd expect.
It may even be possible that Trayvon felt he'd ruined the bus system in Sanford for himself, at least temporarily, and was afraid to try to ride again for fear of being identified by the bus drivers. This may be why he was walking around, or maybe it was just because 7/11 didn't strike him as far enough away to merit the bus... but maybe he was frustrated by ruining the bus option for himself, not having a car, being suspended, and now some bitch ass cracker is dogging him? Sheeeeit, maybe GZ's attention was the last straw.
Oh and keep in mind that as a bus driver in certain areas you get so used to certain types of horse shit (I used to be one) that if the driver didn't sustain serious injury... and if Trayvon was similarly hoodied up at that time, or just unremarkable looking enough... the driver might not even bother to report it, even to their own boss let alone the police. A lot of that sort of thing happens.
"Some punk kid threw a punch at me, my neck/shoulder/arm/jaw hurts but nothing was broken... do I really want to hassle with the paperwork? They'll never find this kid. He looks like a bunch of these kids who cause trouble on my bus... fuck it"
Now imagine you're that bus driver and you work long hours and you pay passing attention to this case at most, what pictures are you seeing when you do catch a story about it? 12 or 14 year old Trayvon. 10 year old Trayvon in his peewee football uniform. Are you going to fucking say "that's the guy" ? Fuck no. He doesn't look like that anymore, a person changes a lot in appearance when they hit that teen growth spurt, and I'd say Trayvon had hit it hard. The only thing he might recognize would be the 7-11 video. What percentage of casual observers have seen that? Seen it in any kind of decent quality? Seen the side angle view where you can see Trayvon in profile instead of bird's eye view? Seen it for more than a flash of a second?
A lot of things would need to come together for that bus driver to even POSSIBLY recognize him. Hell, even if it was a big to do around the bus station at that time, and they had print out security pictures from the bus's camera of him, whether it be Sanford buses or Miami Gardens buses... either way, the odds are strongly AGAINST anyone who was aware of it at that time, among the drivers, management at the bus company, police who took a report, actually connecting the dots and figuring out it's Trayvon.
Because again, the family was expert in which pictures they provided. The media has also basically ignored the bus driver tidbit entirely. What percentage of casual observers have seen the recent (gold grill, finger flipping, standing next to Deedee at school) pictures? It's hovering around 0%.
The average person, 99.999999% of people who pay attention to this case, in any way, in passing or whatever, have never heard about the bus driver thing. And have never seen the 7/11 tape. Especially the profile view.
as to the bolded...
It's not that assaulting a bus driver couldn't have happened, it's that a social networking post is hardly proof.
Proof enough to claim it happened as some do, all the while indicating that inconsistencies and zimmermans recent lying are all non factual or unworthy of scrutiny.
If you are going to say issues related to Zimmerman are unfounded and irrelevant absent of additional proof you have to hold Martin to the same standard at least, which you and others do not. Granted there are plenty of folks who peg Zimmerman guilty of murder without sufficient proof, but you are just like they are in reverse.
Originally Posted by spidey07
At immunity trial prosecution presents a preponderance of evidence showing irrational behavior and negligence. Zimmerman's tendency for violence would be part of that as would history of criminal behavior and drugs.
not directly related to this case, but, how do you feel about this GYG case? :
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8813201
not directly related to this case, but, how do you feel about this GYG case? :
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8813201
Just watched it.
But since the shooters in all three of those cases (the one you linked, the Indiana one, and the Taco Bell one) are black, they will never get any national media attention. The media claims it was the unjust nature of the shooting in Trayvon's case which lead to all the coverage and focus, but this is a lie. It was the racial dynamics, pure and simple. They thought they had a white racist murderer on their hands. The tragedy level of the shootings I just listed is far higher. The evidence for it being self-defense is far weaker in those... yet, we won't hear a peep beyond interest websites and local news reports.
Trayvon Martin was not a national news story. The story was dead and buried until the parents sued to have the 911 tapes released and at the same time demanding Slim's records were sealed. So your assumptions in this case are wrong.
About the social media stuff. I'm sure with a subpoena for evidence the operators could be forced to restore data. We may get to see plenty of thug evidence.
Except social media content (unless there's video proof of wrong-doing) is not real evidence and can't be proved.
Except social media content (unless there's video proof of wrong-doing) is not real evidence and can't be proved.
FDLE checked samples from the gun's grip and found no evidence that Trayvon had handled it. Technicians testing other parts of the gun and holster were only able to definitively identify Zimmerman, the records show.
That's important because Zimmerman told police he opened fire only after the teenager reached for the gun that Zimmerman wore in a holster on his waist. The DNA findings suggest there's no evidence that Travyon touched the gun.
Alas. Evidence dispels a pro zimmerman myth and catches georgy boy in yet another lie.
Alas. Evidence dispels a pro zimmerman myth and catches georgy boy in yet another lie.
This also dispels all the claims that GZ had the gun out and the two were wrestling for control of the gun. GZ stated he felt that TM reached for the gun not that TM grabbed the gun.
The tests on the gun and the holster were performed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They found Zimmerman’s DNA on the gun but could not find any of Martin's. No determination could be made as to whether Martin's DNA was on the holster.
PHOTOS: Tense moments from Trayvon Martin case
Zimmerman has acknowledged shooting Martin, but insists he acted in self-defense in the wake of a confrontation that left him injured.
The DNA findings could play a role in the trial, allowing the prosecution to argue against self-defense since it now seems that Martin never touched the weapon. The defense could counter that Zimmerman shot before Martin could get to the gun.
I heard on the radio
That DNA testing was inconclusive on whether or not Trayvon Martin touched the holster of Zimmerman's firearm but there was no DNA of his on the weapon.
*edit* found a link
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...secution-dna-evidence-20120919,0,120380.story
It seems like the evidence that comes out is determined to be irritatingly inconclusive.