emperus, despite all your efforts you've never come anywhere near understanding who I am or what I believe. You consistently get it wrong when you try to guess, so my suggestion is that you just stop.
You might want to just try focusing on the message, and not the messenger.
If Obama had a son...
Old man suffered severe injuries and was knocked unconscious. When treyvon played his little game of knock out, his heart got knocked the fuck out back into his lungs.
Hey slim! Don't tell me you swung on a bus driver?
Why did the youth swing on the bus driver? Because he disrespect'in'ed the skittle by asking the non-paying loaders to get off.
Genetics plays an enormously important role in everything about who we are, and what we are capable of. Much, much larger role than most people have any concept of, or would ever be comfortable entertaining let alone admitting.
emperus is being silly as usual, white supremacy lol. I find the notion of "white supremacy" to be a complete joke.
Anyway, last post about this stuff in this thread from me, I said I would stop derailing.
Genetics and thousands of years of genetics shaping culture all goes out the window when black americans are artificially transplanted from their genetically appropriate culture in Africa and forced to assimilate to western genetics and the culture that was formed by it.
Genetics and thousands of years of genetics shaping culture all goes out the window when black americans are artificially transplanted from their genetically appropriate culture in Africa and forced to assimilate to western genetics and the culture that was formed by it.
Forced? They were fucking slaves sold by their own tribes!
Fucking history. Learn it
You wanna bring tribal war in my country. Fucking bring it skittles. Bring it. Please bring it.
Yeah forced you nut job. Slavery doesn't imply choice you disgusting piece of shit.
Careful what you wish for.
I'm ready. Your white guilt is showing.
Just bring it already. I'm ready.
Forced? They were fucking slaves sold by their own tribes!
Fucking history. Learn it
You wanna bring tribal war in my country. Fucking bring it skittles. Bring it. Please bring it.
Genetics and thousands of years of genetics shaping culture all goes out the window when black americans are artificially transplanted from their genetically appropriate culture in Africa and forced to assimilate to western genetics and the culture that was formed by it.
So what your saying is the black racists and the white racists have retarded genetics in common?
Thanks OCNewbie, and point taken, it probably is beyond the scope of this thread.
For me it's just that this case sums the whole issue up perfectly, the Trayvon Martin case and the lies surrounding it are the ultimate example of the dishonest conversation on race in this country. I may make that thread in Off Topic as you suggest.
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I'd actually give some weight to that theory because there are some youths entering 711 just after Trayvon who are buying tobacco products commonly used to facilitate the smoking of the devil's cabbage...
So maybe that's what happened... Maybe Trayvon walked to 7-11 to buy some weed. And then on his way home some psychotic asshole w\ a gun decides to follow him around and inadvertently spooks Trayvon. Then he catches up to trayvon and attempts to detain him ( despite having not seen him do anything wrong ) and Trayvon kicks his ass.
That's quite possibly the most solid scenario anybody's posted here.
And none of that clears zimmerman of lying, giving a false statement or murder.
He had no business chasing after Trayvon in the first place since he's not the police. And if he did in fact put his hands on him like DeeDee's story suggest then any and all claims of self defense are 100% out the window.
The defense knows this and that's why they're all over the place worrying everything but the actual case. They know that they can't put Zimmerman on the stand, so they have to do everything else they can to try to make sure that they're not put in a position to force him to testify.
GZ had just as much right to follow TM as TM had to be walking in the complex.
GZ sees a stranger in the area that had previously been the target of breakins by others that had a similar physical profile. GZ never claimed that TM was the person that did the breakins; he indicated that he looked like them.
DeeDee story about "get off" is very suspect; given the position of the phone and the earbuds.
Where is the evidence that GZ attempted to detain TM?
You have generated a scenario without corroborating evidence. which is fine but to be present by the prosecution would be ripped to shreds.
You were right about some things. Black criminality is definitely an elephant in the room. You can't just assume somebody is a criminal because they're a certain age and black... not only are you not going to be right some of the time but profiling is frowned upon in most places.
Now, beyond the assertian that Trayvon was this out of control black youth we have to look at the night the killing happened.
When Zimmerman called the police had he seen Trayvon doing anything wrong or illegal? no, he had seen him do nothing.
Had he seen him do anything wrong or illegal between the time he called the police and when he said " The assholes always get away " and " Fucking punk"? No.. he had still not seen ANYTHING wrong or illegal.
Had he seen him do anything wrong or illegal when he caught up to him and attempted to detain him? NOPE... still hadn't seen him do anything wrong.
So, in the context of this case... that night... Trayvon martin was simply a teenager walking home from 7-11. Now, I saw no comments the dozens, 50 some odd pages back when I posted a video where somebody was suggesting Trayvon was meeting some peers at 7-11 to procure some of the devil's cabbage.
I'd actually give some weight to that theory because there are some youths entering 711 just after Trayvon who are buying tobacco products commonly used to facilitate the smoking of the devil's cabbage...
So maybe that's what happened... Maybe Trayvon walked to 7-11 to buy some weed. And then on his way home some psychotic asshole w\ a gun decides to follow him around and inadvertently spooks Trayvon. Then he catches up to trayvon and attempts to detain him ( despite having not seen him do anything wrong ) and Trayvon kicks his ass.
That's quite possibly the most solid scenario anybody's posted here.
And none of that clears zimmerman of lying, giving a false statement or murder.
He had no business chasing after Trayvon in the first place since he's not the police. And if he did in fact put his hands on him like DeeDee's story suggest then any and all claims of self defense are 100% out the window.
The defense knows this and that's why they're all over the place worrying everything but the actual case. They know that they can't put Zimmerman on the stand, so they have to do everything else they can to try to make sure that they're not put in a position to force him to testify.
GZ had just as much right to follow TM as TM had to be walking in the complex.
GZ sees a stranger in the area that had previously been the target of breakins by others that had a similar physical profile. GZ never claimed that TM was the person that did the breakins; he indicated that he looked like them.
DeeDee story about "get off" is very suspect; given the position of the phone and the earbuds.
Where is the evidence that GZ attempted to detain TM?
You have generated a scenario without corroborating evidence. which is fine but to be present by the prosecution would be ripped to shreds.
A) you just stated that Zimmerman profiled him correctly.
B) as has been shown time and time again, even if you're assertion is correct, Florida law grants Zimmermann a right to self defense in limited circumstances: Zimmermans claim corroborated by witness testimony seems to fall into that category.
The way the law is worded allows for both men to have a reasonable fear for their life: Martins is not relevant to the trial of Zimmerman, just as Zimmermann wouldn't be relevant at the trial of Martin if the fight had gone the other way.
No where in the law does it ask the judge or jury to consider if the decedent feared for his or her life.
Per neighborhood guidelines and simply common sense he had absolutely no business chasing after somebody with police en route. Zimmerman had called the cops on countless other people in similar situations and didn't chase after those people.
You can hear plenty over a microphone. The get off part while very important isn't the most important part of what she said though. She described him as saying " what are you doing around here " in an angry tone which PERFECTLY matches Zimmerman in that situation. Her hearing "get off" adds up perfectly with those events. He chases him, catches up to him and since those assholes always get away, he grabs him.
DeeDee & The recorded phone call in which he makes his intentions obvious. "these assholes always get away " *exits car, begins chasing * "fucking punks". It's obvious he was chasing after him w\ the intent of playing police/detaining until police got there.
The scenario I laid out makes perfect sense really. If he went to 7-11 to procure some weed and some stranger was following him, could spook him to run. And then he kicks the strangers ass when the stranger tries to detain him.
All I read in your post is that you don't care if Zimmerman is guilty, because loopholes exist that could free him despite his clearly negligent actions.
All I read in your post is that you don't care if Zimmerman is guilty, because loopholes exist that could free him despite his clearly negligent actions.
None of that is evidence. It's conjecture. Buy a dictionary.
You're right. We try people based on laws, not feelings.
You feel he was negligent. That is your right. I think it's fair to say that Martin was also negligent. Neither is relevant. Zimmerman is on trial for murder. None of the elements have been proven so far and there is a decent list of contradictory evidence.
That is reasonable doubt to anyone who has an interest in justice. You, sir, want vengeance.