You mean the one who was right there with Cutcher? And yeah pretty much...Both witnesses? You're talking about Crucher(SP?), what about the other one in the story? She's crooked or a media whore as well?
1. Unlawful discharge of a fire arm inside city limits. Allowed in cases of SYG
2. Trespassing on private property (the boy was shoot in someones backyard). Z is a resident of the gated community, no trespassing found
3. Stalking (Zimmerman pursued Treyvon) with the intent to commit bodily harm (weak, I grant you, but has been used in the past here in Sanford). Following and approaching someone doesn't meet the criteria for stalking.
I am sure there are probably another half dozen crazy state laws here in Florida that the Sanford police could pull out of their enforcement book besides what I listed above.
You mean the one who was right there with Cutcher? And yeah pretty much...
No he said "she" and he ignores anyone supporting Z...He's more than likely talking about John, the witness that stated T was on top beating Z and the calls for help was from Z as well.
Can't see where Z violated any laws
Can't see where Z violated any laws
Yes discharge of a fire arm inside city limits is against the law even for SYG. I actually served on a jury last year that a defendant was charge with that crime after the grand jury did not find evidence for manslaughter. So yes you can be charge with it when involved in SYG.
Nope, didn't miss those I even joked about spidey's claim of T being a foot taller than Z and said so now he 6'8"? because at that time "rumors" had Z at 5'8". I think spidey said early on that Z was 5'2". Where they're getting these numbers, I have no idea. The only thing I've seen is Z outweighed T by 100lbs or so.
That is for a court to decide. There was certainly probable cause to believe he had violated any number of felonies, up to and including first-degree murder, which is punishable by death in FL. He concededly shot a young man to death. We need not look to relatively minor offenses like public discharge of a firearm, because this incident should, as a matter of course, have been handled as a homicide investigation and treated with the greatest care.
Are you saying that when someone kills another, then tells the police he acted in self-defense, they should not investigate it as a homicide? Think of the obvious consequences that flow from that. No killer would ever be prosecuted.
The police are not prosecutors, much less judges or jurors - their job is to investigate what occurred. It appears they did so in a slipshod way because they interpreted this event (as werepossum eloquently wrote earlier today) as a trusted neighborhood watch member shooting a burglar or other evildoer. You seem to be OK with that - I am not and I don't think many other people are either, particularly since Trayvon Martin was not a criminal but rather a kid walking home in the rain.
No he said "she" and he ignores anyone supporting Z...
you're in FL?
Everyone aside from Spidey and stormfront agree that he needs to be tried and sent to jail.
That is for a court to decide. There was certainly probable cause to believe he had violated any number of felonies, up to and including first-degree murder, which is punishable by death in FL. He concededly shot a young man to death. We need not look to relatively minor offenses like public discharge of a firearm, because this incident should, as a matter of course, have been handled as a homicide investigation and treated with the greatest care.
Are you saying that when someone kills another, then tells the police he acted in self-defense, they should not investigate it as a homicide? Think of the obvious consequences that flow from that. No killer would ever be prosecuted.
The police are not prosecutors, much less judges or jurors - their job is to investigate what occurred. It appears they did so in a slipshod way because they interpreted this event (as werepossum eloquently wrote earlier today) as a trusted neighborhood watch member shooting a burglar or other evildoer. You seem to be OK with that - I am not and I don't think many other people are either, particularly since Trayvon Martin was not a criminal but rather a kid walking home in the rain.
Yes, I went to school in Sanford, and have lived in Central Florida for over 35 years. I know Chief Lee (he is a personal friend and a fellow parisher at my church. I was in fact his son's den leader in cub scouts for 5+ years).
Whatever Don, when you quit acting like only your opinion counts I'll quit posting my opinion.
Much of what you've posted throughout this thread is conjecture as well.
well then you have a front-row seat to this spectacle. Please, more anecdotes. Bill Lee seems in a little over his head, but he doesn't seem conspiratorial like some are alleging.
Yes discharge of a fire arm inside city limits is against the law even for SYG. I actually served on a jury last year that a defendant was charge with that crime after the grand jury did not find evidence for manslaughter. So yes you can be charge with it when involved in SYG.
790.15 / Discharging firearm in public.
Provides additional limitations on the discharge of weapons as follows:
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) or subsection (3), any person who knowingly discharges a firearm in any public place or on the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street or whosoever knowingly discharges any firearm over the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street or over any occupied premises is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This section does not apply to a person lawfully defending life or property or performing official duties requiring the discharge of a firearm or to a person discharging a firearm on public roads or properties expressly approved for hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or Division of Forestry.
(2) Any occupant of any vehicle who knowingly and willfully discharges any firearm from the vehicle within 1,000 feet of any person commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084
Chief Lee is a great guy and a outstanding cop. He is being thrown under the bus for political expediency. He was a captain in the Seminole County Sheriff's office for 20+ years, and always had the respect of his subordinates. His one fault (if it is a fault) in this case was he expected more support out of the Sanford city council. But that pile of scum would sell their children if it insured their reelection.
I did, and I looked at the map. Very useful stuff, thanks. I didn't see any way for Martin to really get cornered. I can see ways that he could cut between townhouses to get away from the guy following him; if so, Zimmerman, being mounted and more familiar with the area, could possibly get ahead of him, dismount, and intercept the kid on foot. At seventeen I would have acted much this same way - try to avoid the guy following me, but becoming belligerent if continually confronted, especially if he cut me off from where I was going. And if he tried to grab me, I'd have punched him.Did you happen to see my earlier post that had a video and gmap of the subdivision?
Basically its a small anthill of townhouses. Nowhere to really run or hide, and everything looks the same.
thought experiment. Trayvon is in-fact the thief, and Zimmerman killed him.
What would happen?
thought experiment. Trayvon is in-fact the thief, and Zimmerman killed him.
What would happen?
thought experiment. Trayvon is in-fact the thief, and Zimmerman killed him.
What would happen?
Conceptually and legally it should make no difference. As a practical matter, it would be a story that would hardly make the local news, and would in fact be trumpeted by pro-concealed carry and "stand your ground" advocates as a success story, whether or not Mr. Martin had in fact ever posed a threat to Mr. Zimmerman. Similarly, if Rodney King's arrest had not been videotaped, he would, in the public's perception, be just another asshole in a jail cell, lying about being beaten by the cops.
The major reason this particular story has attracted so much attention, in my opinion, is that it really appears Mr. Martin was a good, photogenic kid who was doing nothing wrong, and his parents seem like nice people. We can all imagine our brother/son ending up in a similar situation, with the same outcome.
Not according to the law in Florida.