So I take it you still cannot provide a single solitary bit of evidence this wasn't self defense then, vs. ALL the evidence PROVING it was self defense.
All this time and not one crumpite can provide JUST ONE BIT of evidence.
As he said, if what you're claiming is true we wouldn't even be in this thread discussing this.
You don't have all the facts and yet you pretend you do and make statements as if you do. You're full of shit and at this point everybody knows it.
And they very well might.
Which is why you, Spidey, Spatially, and other Zimmerman fans shouldn't bust out the champagne just yet.
So I take it you still cannot provide a single solitary bit of evidence this wasn't self defense then, vs. ALL the evidence PROVING it was self defense.
All this time and not one crumpite can provide JUST ONE BIT of evidence.
No it isn't obvious he wasn't afraid. Suppose he was afraid Zimmerman was going to attack him, would he want to lead such a person to his home and family ?
Maybe he wanted to be sure Zimmerman didn't know where he was before he went home.
You see, everything I just said is just speculation, but so is you saying we know he wasn't afraid.
Difference being, I admit I can't know what was in Martin's mind, while you think you do know.
But if he's innocent he should testify, right?
That would settle this thing once and for all.
BUT oh... the saving grace of all of your arguments is saying that Zimmerman doesn't have to and probably won't testify under oath. How convenient.
What I know from years of running is that TM had multiples of time to get away from GZ and into his house, and failed to do so. There is no credible reason why he chose not to be inside his house given the long lead time he had on GZ, not even taking into account the speed advantage he would have had.
It is not rationally explainable.
Chuck
Too bad you can't grasp that GZ as well as all US citizens have certain protections afforded them by the US Constitution and State Laws.
Perhaps he didn't think he would be persued. He'd done nothing wrong so perhaps he thought the asshole in the truck would just go on his way since he had no reason to persue..
Unfortunately, since Trayvon was black, he was being mistaken for some other black people who'd been in the area and the vigilante had already made his mind up about not letting him get away.
I'm just saying that if he's innocent he should have no fear of taking the stand.
And if you guys didn't have his dick so far up your asses as to believe anything he says, you wouldn't be spouting off about how he doesn't have to take the stand.
That's all I'm saying. It's one thing to make up stories out on the street. It's a crime to do so while under oath.
I'm just saying that if he's innocent he should have no fear of taking the stand.
And if you guys didn't have his dick so far up your asses as to believe anything he says, you wouldn't be spouting off about how he doesn't have to take the stand.
That's all I'm saying. It's one thing to make up stories out on the street. It's a crime to do so while under oath.
I suspect Zimmerman will in fact have to take the stand at trial to refute witness #8 testimony
1) He is not required to testify - 5th amendment that you despise.But if he's innocent he should testify, right?
That would settle this thing once and for all.
BUT oh... the saving grace of all of your arguments is saying that Zimmerman doesn't have to and probably won't testify under oath. How convenient.
Difference being, I admit I can't know what was in Martin's mind, while you think you do know.
Why would he feel he could do this despite the danger ? Because he was carrying a gun. So we know its likely he already had the idea in his head he might need a gun to protect himself.
As to Zimmerman's injuries, there's no eyewitness as to whether what happened was Martin assaulting Zimmerman or Martin defending himself.
Oh yeah?
Looks like you feel like you know exactly what GZ was thinking, yet want to admonish others for saying similar things about TM.
I see, so GZ gets ALL the injuries, and TM gets NONE by defending himself? GZ just kept coming back for more, eh? But TM is so ninja-esque, that he evaded all of GZ's attacks, and ended up on top of GZ.
I think one of the things paramount to this case is who was screaming. If it's GZ screaming, I think that pretty much seals the deal as far as whether or not GZ was in fear for his life. Whoever was screaming, was obviously in desperation mode. Those were wails, screams, desperate pleas for help, that went on for some 40+ seconds. TM was defending himself that well, and was also screaming? Yet he also says nothing to John?
It must suck to hold onto such gripping denial.
I predict that Zimmerman will not be found guilty of anything. Soon after, riots and lots of marching/yelling/stomping will take place at the capital in Tallahassee and the Governor of Florida will end up giving the Martin family million of dollars in restitution even though the courts will have found Zimmerman did nothing wrong.
Why do I make this prediction? Because it already happened once in this great state of mine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lee_Anderson
Things may change once Witness #8 has been deposed by the defense. Now that it's known that she is in fact an adult she would only be allowed to have her attorney present at the deposition and no one else. I also wonder if it won't be video taped so her body language during the deposition can be analyzed.
I think the defense has to destroy her, because she was on the phone with him as the incident was unfolding and has first hand knowledge on what he said and an indication of his frame of mind at the time.
She can put Zimmerman in prison depending on what she says and how much weight its given. Its her testimony and hers alone that will challenge zimmermans version of how it started, which despite what many say, does matter.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.
Nope. It does not matter. Her testimony showed no forcible felony by Zimmerman. Do I need to post the law for you yet again?
Read it AGAIN.
Law is to be interpreted, show some local case law that backs up your assertion you can start a fight and then kill someone when losing that fight.
Not saying thats what happened, but if they don't impeach DeeDee as a witness and what she says is damning, its going to give the defense trouble.
Its fair that she doesn't have any real indication on who started it, but if I was the defense id be concerned about her.
The law is quite clear and there have been plenty of cases of initial aggressor, I've posted plenty in this thread. Off to google with you racist.
lol your stockpiling for a race war and im the racist.
other than post the same shit over and over you have not provided any similar Florida case law that I have seen.
The law is nothing special to Florida, some 24-26 states have same laws regarding initial aggressor you racist.
Not to mention there is zero evidence z-man was initial aggressor. Even if he was he can still shoot in self defense based on all the facts and evidence.