Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[lotus503]

Except Dooley commited a forcible felony.

The only way anybody can support the thug Martin and ignore all the evidence is racism you racist. That's a fact.

I'm still waiting for all the racist to provide just a single piece of evidence it wasn't self defense.

So far none can do this.

That's just how far off the reservation you have gone, I don't support Martin, I support the process. Have stated repeatedly I don't see evidence of murder. Just because I don't buy into your meme doesn't mean I buy into other memes.

someone such as yourself with a pattern of racism and bad predictions probably can't grasp the concept some of us aren't in a camp.

 

[They Live]

Dooley getting 8 years isn't all that bad. Thought he would get 25 to life.

 

[spidey07]

That's just how far off the reservation you have gone, I don't support Martin, I support the process. Have stated repeatedly I don't see evidence of murder. Just because I don't buy into your meme doesn't mean I buy into other memes.

someone such as yourself with a pattern of racism and bad predictions probably can't grasp the concept some of us aren't in a camp.

If you support the process and the law he would never have been charged.

But you don't support the law. You are flat out racist.

The only justice to be done is zimmerman never being charged of a crime as so far not one bit of evidence can be shown a crime was committed.

Other than felony assault and battery by Martin.

 

[OCNewbie]

Yep, he was screaming, while according to Z, TM was covering his mouth.

Edit: Also, IIRC, GZ slipped up on his Hannity interview and mentioned Trayvon screaming help.

Are you trying to imply that because there were any screams at all, that TM couldn't have, at any time, tried to cover GZ's mouth? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a wide variety of screams in those ~40 seconds where someone was screaming and not a non-stop, uninterrupted, ~40 second scream. Have you listened to the 911 call(s) that has the screams in the background? Are you saying there are no interruptions in the scream?

Are you convinced of who was screaming? Do you believe it was TM? Please state here what you currently believe about the screams. I'm essentially convinced it was GZ, and this plays a very big role in why I believe his story.

Perhaps you're not correctly recalling about the Hannity interview. I'd be interested to hear more about this so-called "slip-up" that you're referring to. If you can locate a link (wherever you originally found it) specifically addressing this "slip-up", I'd like to see it.

 

[Tom]

What I know from years of running is that TM had multiples of time to get away from GZ and into his house, and failed to do so. There is no credible reason why he chose not to be inside his house given the long lead time he had on GZ, not even taking into account the speed advantage he would have had.

It is not rationally explainable.

Chuck

How fast are you running right now ? Based on what you just said I could say I know you are running right now because you say you've been running for years and don't say if you've ever stopped.

That's as logical as what you're saying is the only possibility as to how Martin spent the time in question.

He either had to run home as fast as he could, and if he didn't that proves he attacked Zimmerman ?

 

[klinc]

So what happened. Did they crucify him or did they believe his version of the story?

 

[chucky2]

How fast are you running right now ? Based on what you just said I could say I know you are running right now because you say you've been running for years and don't say if you've ever stopped.

That's as logical as what you're saying is the only possibility as to how Martin spent the time in question.

He either had to run home as fast as he could, and if he didn't that proves he attacked Zimmerman ?

Let me put it this way: Even I, in my current obese and completely out of shape form, could have mad it back - easily - to TMs house that night given where TM started from, before GZ ever had any hope of catching me. That alone should tell you all you need to know about the relatively in shape teenage male not being able to somehow accomplish that.

Forget as fast as he could. Something close to that isn't even needed. The time differential simply cannot be explained away. Knowing what any runner (or person who cares to sit down and spend 2 minutes figuring it out) knows about speed, distance, and effort, no one could say this isn't damning to TM supporters arguments.

Forget who may have hit who, yada yada...no one can explain that time in any credible and realistic manner, and then apply that TM thought process to anything that happens next.

Done. It's over.

Chuck

 

[airdata]

Let me put it this way: Even I, in my current obese and completely out of shape form, could have mad it back - easily - to TMs house that night given where TM started from, before GZ ever had any hope of catching me. That alone should tell you all you need to know about the relatively in shape teenage male not being able to somehow accomplish that.

Forget as fast as he could. Something close to that isn't even needed. The time differential simply cannot be explained away. Knowing what any runner (or person who cares to sit down and spend 2 minutes figuring it out) knows about speed, distance, and effort, no one could say this isn't damning to TM supporters arguments.

Forget who may have hit who, yada yada...no one can explain that time in any credible and realistic manner, and then apply that TM thought process to anything that happens next.

Done. It's over.

Chuck

I already posted this twice in previous pages. Perhaps you couldn't be bothered to read.

Apparently what you're doing is suggesting that Trayvon was in imminent danger and it's his fault he was killed? Am I reading this correctly? Because that's how your post sounds... sounds as if the psychopath w\ a gun gets a pass because the person doing nothing wrong chose not to go all the way home and go inside.

"can't explain away the time . . . ." You don't have to. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong. Perhaps he wanted to chit chat on the phone as a witness describes him doing before she heard him asking somebody why they were following him, and the person replying " what are you doing around here?".

Perhaps after a 10 second sprint he thought that no asshole in their car was really going to leave their car to start an altercation with him.

I know when I'm walking around, I don't expect random people to come start shit with me.


This is where some of you need to grasp that there are 2 people in the story.

1) psychotic asshole w\ a gun who's racially profiling person #2

2) kid walking home from 711 talking on the phone doing nothing to harm anybody else.

psychotic asshole w\ a gun causes all events to happen and is solely responsible for all events that night including making a calculated decision to shoot somebody else without warning and knowing that such actions could very well kill the other person ( murder ).

 

[TerryMathews]

I already posted this twice in previous pages. Perhaps you couldn't be bothered to read.

Apparently what you're doing is suggesting that Trayvon was in imminent danger and it's his fault he was killed? Am I reading this correctly? Because that's how your post sounds... sounds as if the psychopath w\ a gun gets a pass because the person doing nothing wrong chose not to go all the way home and go inside.

"can't explain away the time . . . ." You don't have to. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong. Perhaps he wanted to chit chat on the phone as a witness describes him doing before she heard him asking somebody why they were following him, and the person replying " what are you doing around here?".

Perhaps after a 10 second sprint he thought that no asshole in their car was really going to leave their car to start an altercation with him.

I know when I'm walking around, I don't expect random people to come start shit with me.


This is where some of you need to grasp that there are 2 people in the story.

1) psychotic asshole w\ a gun who's racially profiling person #2

2) kid walking home from 711 talking on the phone doing nothing to harm anybody else.

psychotic asshole w\ a gun causes all events to happen and is solely responsible for all events that night including making a calculated decision to shoot somebody else without warning.

You are entitled to your opinion but it isn't consistent with the facts of the case nor the laws of the State of Florida.

 

[classy]

The Dooley conviction is not a good sign for ole GZ.

 

[TerryMathews]

The Dooley conviction is not a good sign for ole GZ.

Dooley is different. There were witnesses to the entire altercation including how it started.

I also want to call attention to the fact he was convicted of improper display of a firearm. To those of you claiming that Zimmerman should have threatened Martin with the gun before shooting, this is why you do not ever do that. It is a crime.

 

[OCNewbie]

Apparently what you're doing is suggesting that Trayvon was in imminent danger and it's his fault he was killed? Am I reading this correctly? Because that's how your post sounds... sounds as if the psychopath w\ a gun gets a pass because the person doing nothing wrong chose not to go all the way home and go inside.

Many believe that it's important for the prosecution to argue that by GZ following TM in his truck, TM became fearful of GZ. In fact, that's what DeeDee has been saying, and as she may be their key witness, it's likely that what she says needs to be believed. So, assuming they're going to go with the notion that TM was afraid, and that all reports from TM's side of the story (DeeDee, his parents, etc.) have said TM's destination was his (Brandy's) home, it's hard to explain why, with all the time he did have, he didn't make it home. The defense will argue that TM chose not to go home in order to confront GZ.

Trayvon was doing nothing wrong. Perhaps he wanted to chit chat on the phone as a witness describes him doing before she heard him asking somebody why they were following him, and the person replying " what are you doing around here?".

At that time, according to the witness you are referring to (DeeDee), he was "chit-chatting" about the man that was following him. Sure sounds like the strange scary man was the dominant thought in his mind. At least that's the story DeeDee and the prosecution will probably try to sell.

This is where some of you need to grasp that there are 2 people in the story.

1) psychotic asshole w\ a gun who's racially profiling person #2

2) kid walking home from 711 talking on the phone doing nothing to harm anybody else.

This is entirely your assessment of the two people in the situation. You are not qualified to label GZ as psychotic, and he has not been labeled as such by anybody who is, or anybody who is in any way involved with the investigation anyway.

psychotic asshole w\ a gun causes all events to happen and is solely responsible for all events that night including making a calculated decision to shoot somebody else without warning and knowing that such actions could very well kill the other person ( murder ).

"psychotic asshole" -- do you think that's how the prosecution is going to refer to him at the immunity hearing, or at the trial (if it makes it that far)? Your arguments depend too much on your delusion that you have any qualification to label GZ as such, or that you have any understanding of what the definition of murder is. Lose the hyperbole, and then maybe you might be taken seriously.

 

[Druidx]

Truth in bold.

This is where some of you need to grasp that there are 2 people in the story.

1) psychotic asshole w\ a gun who's racially profiling person #2
No racial profiling involved according to the police reports and in depth FBI investigation.

2) kid walking home from 711 talking on the phone doing nothing to harm anybody else.
Right up until he returned to the T and attacked GZ.

 

[airdata]

You are entitled to your opinion but it isn't consistent with the facts of the case nor the laws of the State of Florida.

What opinions are you referring to?

Trayvon doing nothing wrong, Fact. Verified by official police report.

The rest is simply talking about simple logic. When people talk as if Trayvon should have got home before some random guy starts a fight and then kills him.. something is wrong.

Trayvon for all we know wanted to hang around outside for another hour... that's not important. Being a free country he could have been hanging around outside as long as he wanted.

This also is simply a fact.

 

[airdata]

Truth in bold.

LOL

I love how you guys make posts like this. You try to say that what I've said is not true, and you do so by spouting totally unverified information.

Racially profiled? 100%. We already know this. Why was Zimmerman so hard up about Trayvon? Recent burglaries.

What made Zimmerman draw any similarity between Trayvon and these burglars?
HE WAS BLACK.

That my friend, is racial profiling. So please... think before you type.


And then again w\ your second statement. We all know that we don't have facts to back up this claim of Zimmerman being attacked out of nowhere.

Why do you keep posting unverified information and pretending you have anything to back it up?


There's no witnesses backing up Zimmerman's claims of being blind sided by Trayvon. There is a witness however who contradicts this and describes hearing Trayvon exchanging words w\ somebody who's been following him. This is alot more believable than Zimmerman talking about people emerging from shadows after he's killed somebody and realizes he could be on his way to prison.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What opinions are you referring to?

Trayvon doing nothing wrong, Fact. Verified by official police report.

The rest is simply talking about simple logic. When people talk as if Trayvon should have got home before some random guy starts a fight and then kills him.. something is wrong.

Trayvon for all we know wanted to hang around outside for another hour... that's not important. Being a free country he could have been hanging around outside as long as he wanted.

This also is simply a fact.

Holy LOL at your "facts".


The most important "fact" is that trayvon had NO defensive wounds whatsoever. Zimmerman, on the otherhand:

 

[airdata]

I love owning bitches like Druid so early in the morning.. Feels good, man.

 

[OCNewbie]

Trayvon doing nothing wrong, Fact. Verified by official police report.

Not fact. The police report says there isn't any evidence that TM was currently involved in any illegal activity when GZ was observing him. That doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything "wrong".

Here's a fact for ya: FACT: There is no evidence that GZ confronted Trayvon, and there is no evidence GZ continued to look for TM after the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that". Verified by lead investigator at bond hearing. Using your rationale, I guess GZ wasn't doing anything wrong.

The rest is simply talking about simple logic. When people talk as if Trayvon should have got home before some random guy starts a fight and then kills him.. something is wrong.

TM should have gotten home since that was his destination. There is no logic in saying "some random guy starts a fight" when there is zero evidence supporting such a claim.

Trayvon for all we know wanted to hang around outside for another hour... that's not important.

For all we know, unless you're calling TM's parents liars, is that TM was headed home, which you yourself have stated numerous times "just a kid walking home". He had Skittles for his little brother, and an NBA All-Star game to get home to. So, no, that's not at all representative of "for all we know".

 

[airdata]

Many believe that it's important for the prosecution to argue that by GZ following TM in his truck, TM became fearful

Yes, you have to explain him running somehow. He most likely didn't anticipate some random guy who'd mistaken him for another black guy to give chase.

This is entirely your assessment of the two people in the situation. You are not qualified to label GZ as psychotic, and he has not been labeled as such by anybody who is, or anybody who is in any way involved with the investigation anyway.

Are you saying that a person in their right mind follows random people around at night while mistaking them for others based on their race, and then kill them?

Nobody in their right mind does that. The behavior Zimmerman displayed that night should be an example of screening for gun ownership. If you follow around random people because they're the same race as other people who have done wrong... no gun for you.

Your arguments depend too much on your delusion that you have any qualification to label GZ as such, or that you have any understanding of what the definition of murder is. .

When you shoot somebody on purpose, you do so with the assumed understanding that you very well may kill that person.

When you perform actions against somebody and you know you could kill them, it's murder.

It's not as if he accidentally discharged his gun and it's manslaughter. He meant to shoot him and knew that his actions could lead to him killing Trayvon.

Now, this all happened while he was in the middle of an adrenaline dump and was no doubt seeing red and not thinking straight. That however is not an excuse for his actions.

This type of stuff has been discussed alot w\ police chases. They get all hopped up on adrenaline and next thing you know they're beating a handcuffed suspect because they're mad at them for having had to chase them.

Murdering Trayvon was not needed to end the altercation. And in murdering Trayvon Zimmerman committed a more heinous act than the unproven act you guys keep accusing Trayvon of. ( I already know most of you are hypocritical assholes... but some people may need a refresher as to who you are )

 

[Druidx]

LOL

I love how you guys make posts like this. You try to say that what I've said is not true, and you do so by spouting totally unverified information.

Your bias and desperation shows when you refer to FBI and police reports and "unverified information"

LMAO

 

[airdata]

A) Sorry bud, I'm citing sources that matter and you're replying w\ your asshole opinion claiming that the police report & account of events doesn't matter.

It's actually your opinion that doesn't matter.

B) "should have gotten home ..." again w\ the claim that now it's Trayvons fault he's dead because he didn't run fast enough to escape the pyschotic asshole w\ a gun who was on the prowl.

If he was chatting on the phone, he probably wanted to continue doing so and not be forced to run inside because some psychotic asshole is following him.

C) Again... he was on the phone according to a witness ( unlike your statements of opinion you keep posting )

I know if I were a 17 year old kid on the phone w\ a girl I'd probably finish my conversation before going into a room full of people w\ no privacy.

According to Dee Dee she was still on the phone when Zimmerman caught up and Trayvon asked him why he was following.


Dismissing such damning evidence is silly. Spouting off your opinions is silly and unneeded.

Lurk more please.

 

[airdata]

Your bias and desperation shows when you refer to FBI and police reports and "unverified information"

LMAO

There's Police & FBI reports showing that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman out of nowhere?

Get lost you fucking troll wise and beautiful woman.

 

[TerryMathews]

What opinions are you referring to?

Trayvon doing nothing wrong, Fact. Verified by official police report.

The rest is simply talking about simple logic. When people talk as if Trayvon should have got home before some random guy starts a fight and then kills him.. something is wrong.

Trayvon for all we know wanted to hang around outside for another hour... that's not important. Being a free country he could have been hanging around outside as long as he wanted.

This also is simply a fact.

And it's also a fact that Zimmerman claims Trayvon struck him first, the evidence supports that scenario, and there is no evidence that disputes it.

It's fine that you don't believe his statement, but absent contrary evidence it will stand.

In Florida, due to the wording of their self defense laws, the prosecution must disprove Zimmerman's sequence of events and prove that he was not justified in his use of force.

With what we know about the case, how can you PROVE that? I don't think anyone can.

Good, bad, or indifferent, the fact that one man was beaten and one man was not leads you to only one likely conclusion.

 

[Druidx]

I love owning bitches like Druid so early in the morning.. Feels good, man.

It's cute how you claim you're owning me when the truth is you constantly brag about having people on ignore but then respond to their every post.

The only ownage here is the self ownage by you, just like when you made a fool of yourself about the 5th amendment. Remind us all how that worked out, every single person said you were wrong, plus you got temp banned for trolling.

Oh yea, keep telling yourself you're owning people. It's easier than facing the fact that truth and common sense is not on your side.

 

[TerryMathews]

Nobody in their right mind does that. The behavior Zimmerman displayed that night should be an example of screening for gun ownership. If you follow around random people because they're the same race as other people who have done wrong... no gun for you.




When you shoot somebody on purpose, you do so with the assumed understanding that you very well may kill that person.

When you perform actions against somebody and you know you could kill them, it's murder.

All due respect, you have no idea what either man was doing that night. From the time Martin left 711 until he was killed, we have only supposition. DeeDees statement, as sound is so fond of reminding us, is inadmissible hearsay until she is sworn and subjected to cross.

To your other point, look at Dooley. Simply pulling a trigger on a gun is not intent, and does not a murder make. Get your definitions right. You look like a fool when you go on these rants and you're not even using legal terms correctly.