Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[blankslate]

So one bad killing that may end up in a prosecution anyway is enough to rewrite the law?

The law is working fine here. It's done a lot to stop lawyers cashing in on when Joey the Gangbanger gets dead and his family all creates individual lawsuits.

Interesting in Boynton Beach recently two people were killed in a home invasion. The police know the house was targeted, but not why...they are reaching out for more police involvement and forming a lawsuit.

They think their boy was the target "he is well-known on the streets, but isn't in any gangs"

It's not just this shooting... I posted the link that suggests that some PDs in Florida don't bother to investigate fully a shooting when the shooter makes a self-defense claim. Instead they just send what they have to the D.A. Any law that ends up with that happening needs to be looked at.

Then there's the shooting of the Army veteran that was brought up in this thread in which there were eye witnesses who actually saw the shooting and the shooter is claiming self-defense.

The writers of the law are trying to claim that their law wasn't meant to apply to situations like this. Yet Mr. Zimmerman was let go as soon as he claimed self-defense. Sounds like there might be a glaring loophole in the law.

The thread has been moving fast and maybe it's easy to miss so....

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._law-enforcement-castle-doctrine-deadly-force

Q: How did law enforcement respond to the law?

A: Prosecutors across the state opposed the law before it was enacted Oct. 1, 2005. In the following five months, there were at least 13 shootings in Central Florida where self-defense was claimed. Out of six men killed and four more wounded in the cases, only one was armed. Some Orlando-area police agencies simply stopped investigating shootings involving self-defense claims and referred them directly to state prosecutors to decide.

Thirteen 13 self-defense shootings and of the ones where the shooter his target only 10% were armed? Yeah that really sounds like a good well thought out law.... no wait it really doesn't keep defending it though.

Just the fact that some P.D.s will throw up their arms and just move it up without a full investigation should be the sure sign that it's a bad law...
But I'm sure you'll rationalize some false logical construct in the bizarro world that you seem to occupy that points to it being the law that all states should adopt.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You're an idiot. A complete fool. The phone call with the police disptacher confirms he chased Trayvon Martin. The phone call with the girl confirms he sought out and found Martin again. His fat ass murdered a 17 year old kid, he should be locked up on man slaughter. You and the rest of your happy he killed a black kid group are pathetic. The kid did absolutely nothing wrong but defend himself from a complete stranger who fucking had zero damn reason to do anything to this kid.

We'll see once all the evidence has been released. Until then rage on against anyone who is trying to look at this from all angles and not what the lynch mob wants everyone to believe.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Florida governor appoints new prosecutor in Trayvon Martin case

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ppoints-new-prosecutor-in-trayvon-martin-case

Florida Gov. Rick Scott and Attorney General Pam Bondi said Thursday that they had appointed a new prosecutor to investigate the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and would appoint a committee on citizen safety that would examine the state's "Stand Your Ground" law. Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, was killed by a self-described neighborhood watch guard in February.

Good move, Governor Scott.

 

[classy]

We'll see once all the evidence has been released. Until then rage on against anyone who is trying to look at this from all angles and not what the lynch mob wants everyone to believe.

Man give me a damn break. You are not looking at this from all angles. Every angle that is put out in support of Zimmerman being in the wrong, you tried to show the flaw in it. I have said this for years here, this ain't nothing new. Sometimes the clear dislike for blacks is so clear here is like crystal. If this was a white teen shot by a black watch person, you would be in here with spidey, and that dirtbag Alky looking to see the black man punished. This was a completely innocent kid who was shot to death.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Man give me a damn break. You are not looking at this from all angles. Every angle that is put out in support of Zimmerman being in the wrong, you tried to show the flaw in it. I have said this for years here, this ain't nothing new. Sometimes the clear dislike for blacks is so clear here is like crystal. If this was a white teen shot by a black watch person, you would be in here with spidey, and that dirtbag Alky looking to see the black man punished. This was a completely innocent kid who was shot to death.

Believe whatever the fuck you want classy, I honestly don't care what you think. I'm in a mixed marriage so you can carry the I'm a racist shit down the road.

 

[classy]

Believe whatever the fuck you want classy, I honestly don't care what you think. I'm in a mixed marriage so you can carry the I'm a racist shit down the road.

Yeah right............................................

 

[Veliko]

Believe whatever the fuck you want classy, I honestly don't care what you think. I'm in a mixed marriage so you can carry the I'm a racist shit down the road.

Yeah, one of my friends is black so I can't racist.

The person who cleans the toilets at work is also kind of foreign looking and I always say 'hello' to him to I can't be racist.

 

[Icepick]

Did any of the suspicious activity I cited have anything to do with his race? Nope.

But I guess thinking an african american person looks suspicious of anything is automatic racism, right?

Zimmerman is quoted on the 911 call as referring to his race so, yes.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I can see why Governor Scott has chosen State's Attorney Angela Corey, she has an extensive amount of experience as homicide prosecutior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Corey

 

[blankslate]

Did any of the suspicious activity I cited have anything to do with his race? Nope.

But I guess thinking an african american person looks suspicious of anything is automatic racism, right?

Zimmerman is quoted on the 911 call as referring to his race so, yes.

It's not automatic racism, because Mr. Zimmerman has demonstrated an ability to have cordial friendly conversations with black people

as shown in this link...
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249_p3/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html

. Ibrahim Rashada, a 25-year-old African American who works at U.S. Airways, once spotted young men cutting through the woods entering the complex on foot, and later learned items were stolen those days.

“It’s a gated community, but you can walk in and steal whatever you want,” Rashada’s wife, Quianna, said.

They discussed the topic with Zimmerman when the watch captain knocked on their door late last year. Zimmerman seemed friendly, helpful, and a “pretty cool dude,” Ibrahim Rashada said.

“He came by here and talked about carrying guns and getting my wife more involved with guns,” he said. “He said I should have a weapon and that his wife took classes to learn how to use one.

“I do have a weapon, but I don’t walk around the neighborhood with mine!”

Actually, he does not walk around the neighborhood at all.

“I fit the stereotype he emailed around,” he said. “Listen, you even hear me say it: ‘A black guy did this. A black guy did that.’ So I thought, ‘Let me sit in the house. I don’t want anyone chasing me.’ ”

However, notice the last part of relevant quote in the article. He was quite happy to profile people. While it's not proof of racism and I frankly don't believe that Mr. Zimmerman is racist. Profiling tends to be something Police try not to do.

 

[cybrsage]

It is only racial profiling if it is not true. Did blacks do all those things? If so, then it is truth and not racism.

 

[airdata]

The writers of the law are trying to claim that their law wasn't meant to apply to situations like this. Yet Mr. Zimmerman was let go as soon as he claimed self-defense. Sounds like there might be a glaring loophole in the law.

Or like many, many other cases the police simply failed to correctly perform their job.

They apparently didn't do any kind of background test or tox screen on the killer and simply took him at his word. It's absolutely ridiculous for somebody who's gone out of their way to provoke a confrontation to claim self defense against A) a much smaller person and B) a child. But to all the people defending him here C) A Black Child makes it ok.

 

[blankslate]

Or like many, many other cases the police simply failed to correctly perform their job.

Perhaps or maybe those police departments have did full investigations just after the law was passed and cases that would have been prosecuted before the law was passed ended up being thrown out? That's the other possibility and given the objection to the law from prosecutors also the likely one.

Regardless of the SPD's actions in the Trayvon Martin shooting it has shone some light on how fubared (imo) the law in Florida is.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Perhaps or maybe those police departments have did full investigations just after the law was passed and cases that would have been prosecuted before the law was passed ended up being thrown out? That's the other possibility and given the objection to the law from prosecutors also the likely one.

Regardless of the SPD's actions in the Trayvon Martin shooting it has shone some light on how fubared (imo) the law in Florida is.

Governor Scott has created a task force that will review the law. I think there's been some talk of the state representative also reviewing the law.

 

[Tom]

it's been a while but I can remember days home from school and going to Lawsons to grab a candy bar and a 7-Up and enjoying life..

This is a damn shame.

 

[nobodyknows]

I was always told that "neighborhood watch" authority encompassed observation and reporting, not pursuit of suspicious persons.

It's a free cpountry, anybody can follow or approach a suspicious person and ask what they're doing.

 

[sandorski]

Zimmerman has committed a Crime. That is undeniable here.

 

[nobodyknows]

it's been a while but I can remember days home from school and going to Lawsons to grab a candy bar and a 7-Up and enjoying life..

This is a damn shame.

It is a dman shame but it'as still not clear how this escalated into a fight that ended up with the shooting of T.

 

[nobodyknows]

Zimmerman has committed a Crime. That is undeniable here.

So exactly what crime is he guilty of?

 

[spidey07]

So, still not a single shred of evidence that a crime was committed here other than felony assault by Martin? Just want to make sure everybody is clear on the facts.

 

[micrometers]

Or like many, many other cases the police simply failed to correctly perform their job.

They apparently didn't do any kind of background test or tox screen on the killer and simply took him at his word. It's absolutely ridiculous for somebody who's gone out of their way to provoke a confrontation to claim self defense against A) a much smaller person and B) a child. But to all the people defending him here C) A Black Child makes it ok.

On the tox screen, imagine the shit they would be if some guy heroically defended himself against a real actual criminal and then the police took him in and did a drug screen on him?

I do think that they really really dropped the ball in the week following the shooting. I mean, they should have gotten the phone records within a week, the girlfriend by week two. They probably did act on racist assumptions in placing low priority in investigating Trayvon's death.

of course, for every wrong that the police do, they likely have like 5 incidents which back up the stereotype.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm sick and tired of all the racist acusations against a Hispanic man who was just trying to do the right thing. Until someone can show who started the fight and why there is nothing more to discuss.

With the evidence we have I think Z will be cleared. All these people yelling racism are just a bunch of tools. Remember the little boy who cried wolf.

 

[corwin]

It's not just this shooting... I posted the link that suggests that some PDs in Florida don't bother to investigate fully a shooting when the shooter makes a self-defense claim. Instead they just send what they have to the D.A. Any law that ends up with that happening needs to be looked at.

Then there's the shooting of the Army veteran that was brought up in this thread in which there were eye witnesses who actually saw the shooting and the shooter is claiming self-defense.

The writers of the law are trying to claim that their law wasn't meant to apply to situations like this. Yet Mr. Zimmerman was let go as soon as he claimed self-defense. Sounds like there might be a glaring loophole in the law.

The thread has been moving fast and maybe it's easy to miss so....

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._law-enforcement-castle-doctrine-deadly-force




Thirteen 13 self-defense shootings and of the ones where the shooter his target only 10% were armed? Yeah that really sounds like a good well thought out law.... no wait it really doesn't keep defending it though.

Just the fact that some P.D.s will throw up their arms and just move it up without a full investigation should be the sure sign that it's a bad law...
But I'm sure you'll rationalize some false logical construct in the bizarro world that you seem to occupy that points to it being the law that all states should adopt.

I can't seem to find in that article who it is that's giving their opinion that PD's aren't even investigating...most likely someone with no clue, yet you say it's a fact, but I guess we already knew where your bias was. And just because you shoot someone who isn't armed doesn't mean a damn thing without the rest of the story behind what happened...unless you believe that the only way your life could be in danger is if someone is pointing a gun at you?

 

[Tom]

It is a dman shame but it'as still not clear how this escalated into a fight that ended up with the shooting of T.

Based on your comments, there's no evidence you think it's a shame. I said nothing in my post that is relevant to your response.

Since you taint everything you post with your bias though, I think I'll point out to you there is no evidence there was a fight. There's no evidence there was any escalation either.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

So, still not a single shred of evidence that a crime was committed here other than felony assault by Martin? Just want to make sure everybody is clear on the facts.

Well, the first "shred of evidence" is the dead teenager. The second is the bullet that killed him. The third is the admission by the shooter that he shot him. The fourth is the fact that the shooter has offered up a version of events which is not only facially improbable but demonstrably false. It appears that if you were a homicide investigator and a suspect used the words "self-defense," you'd tell the evidence techs "Let's pack it up and go home, boys - there was no crime here!"

Interestingly (not that you care, but it could later be legally significant), even the assault and battery alleged to have been committed by Mr. Martin would not have been a felony under Florida law - it would be simple battery and a first-degree misdemeanor. Felony battery requires that the batterer (here, allegedly, Martin) "Causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement." None of those things is true.

Battery: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.03.html

Felony battery: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.041.html

Moreover, as you know full well, it is as yet unclear whether Mr. Martin was in fact reasonably defending himself under the same "stand your ground" law from a battery by Mr. Zimmerman. That said, I have no doubt you will post at least ten more times in this thread that Mr. Martin was "viciously assaulting" Mr. Zimmerman. I bet we will even get at least one more "ghetto stomp" accusation.