Ignore actual facts in the case, and play up speculation while pretending it's fact.
Hold double standards like Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, but the victim is giulty of crimes there's no evidence of and will never be proven.
What are they attempting to do here? My unbiased opinion leans towards favoring Zimmerman.
Team Zimmerman :
I don't always believe in conspiracies... but when I do it's black people making fake police reports to support Trayvon martin. Or a black president giving out fake birth certificates.
Ignore actual facts in the case, and play up speculation while pretending it's fact.
Hold double standards like Zimmerman being innocent until proven guilty, but the victim is giulty of crimes there's no evidence of and will never be proven.
Just change your signature to "Trolling since 2011"
That's not even a troll... it's a statement based in facts. All I've seen from team zimmerman w\ regards to the police report is deny, deny, deny & say it must be doctored or fake since it shows badly on Zimmerman.
It mirrors some of the points I've been driving home since day one which many of your buddies still laugh at despite now being in the official police report. So the joke's on you.
Also I'll repeat again since some people don't get my signature. It's a kind of inside joke because you guys get so mad at simple facts because you prefer to run around and talk about things that can't and won't be proven.
When faced w\ facts you know to be true but don't want to agree with you guys deflect either by ad hominem attacks or by bringing up some vague lawyer talk that 99% of the forum could care less about.
You refuse to admit all of Zimmerman's flaws and instaed choose to hide behind convenient statements like " he doesn't have to testify... " even though Zimmerman testifying is the only way all the truth is ever going to come out.
You guys prefer it stay unknown and that innocence not actually be proven, but just speculated.
That's you guys.
That's what you do.
That's not even a troll... it's a statement based in facts. All I've seen from team zimmerman w\ regards to the police report is deny, deny, deny & say it must be doctored or fake since it shows badly on Zimmerman.
It mirrors some of the points I've been driving home since day one which many of your buddies still laugh at despite now being in the official police report. So the joke's on you.
Also I'll repeat again since some people don't get my signature. It's a kind of inside joke because you guys get so mad at simple facts because you prefer to run around and talk about things that can't and won't be proven.
When faced w\ facts you know to be true but don't want to agree with you guys deflect either by ad hominem attacks or by bringing up some vague lawyer talk that 99% of the forum could care less about.
You refuse to admit all of Zimmerman's flaws and instaed choose to hide behind convenient statements like " he doesn't have to testify... " even though Zimmerman testifying is the only way all the truth is ever going to come out.
You guys prefer it stay unknown and that innocence not actually be proven, but just speculated.
That's you guys.
That's what you do.
What in the world are you talking about? Seriously sometimes I think you argue with imaginary people.
No one has 'denied' the police report exists, just that it has no bearing on the legality aspect of zimmerman leaving his car.
No one has ignored any of zimmerman's past, just that it is wholly irrelevant considering it happened over 7 years ago while zimmerman was kid. Thankfully, zimmerman made it to be a pillar of his community without attacking an innocent armed man.
And... You are pure troll. You can fast talk all you want, but it's blatantly obvious that you are either a diehard racist or just trolling for shits and giggles. Like I said earlier, you're an embarrassment to your own arguments.
I still suspect you're actually pro-zimmerman, and are only here to made the thug supporters look like idiots.
The airdata crowd still does not understand Neighborhood watch principles or the concept of looking out for each other. We understand it just fine, it's GZ and friends who apparently can't read, nor abide by the rules set up in Neighborhood Watch and the police officer who set it up.
Irrational is doing things not rational. Keeping track of some one acting suspicious, profiling according to previous incidents is rational. Ignoring all the rules for NW and a police dispatcher is not acting rationally.
Example. You see a car involved in a hit and fun. Is there a reason why you follow it and notify tbe LEO where you are and direction going using your cell?
Or wait minutes and tell them it was a blur coupe heading that way. Pointing toward an intersection. bad analogy, doesn't fit here, TM was doing nothing wrong.
Which is most beneficial to the LEO? apparently someone who follows the guidlines, since this NEVER had to happen.
We understand it just fine, it's GZ and friends who apparently can't read, nor abide by the rules set up in Neighborhood Watch and the police officer who set it up.
What evidence do you have that GZ broke any NW rules? Are you going to be like Airdata and claim he was bond by the national NW rules even though he was under a completely separate and different group?
Ignoring all the rules for NW is not acting rationally.
Which rules exactly?
bad analogy, doesn't fit here, TM was doing nothing wrong.
Wrong. GZ did exactly what he was suppose to do, inform the police about what he considered to be a suspicions person. Or do you think the idea is to wait until after the fact?
apparently someone who follows the guidlines, since this NEVER had to happen.
Again you are in the Airdata land of fantasy. What guidelines did he not follow? The whole basis of NW is Observe and report, which exactly what he did. There is no evidence GZ tried to confront or detain TM. If you thinking about the gun it’s not even mentioned in the Sanford NW guidelines and even it it was it wouldn’t trump GZ 2nd amendment right or his legal CC permit.
who don't you guys just ignore airdata? I'm going to. It's pointless to argue with him unless you want to talk in circles and waste time.
The people who actually venture to engage me in actually discussion tend to do the same speculating and no evidence arguing over and over whereas some of my main arguments are backed in the official police report.
So at the end of the day it's satisfying knowing that all these clowns pretend I'm wrong about things and yet they can't argue against most of what I've posted and my main points are echoed in some of the only official documents that exist for the case.
I wonder what their reaction will be when the judge rules that the NW guidelines are irrelevant as they not lawful or binding .
So this is you agreeing that he didn't follow the guidelines and chose to stray from what he should have been doing to chase after somebody based on mistaken identity which was based on race.
Thanks Londo.
So this is you agreeing that he didn't follow the guidelines and chose to stray from what he should have been doing to chase after somebody based on mistaken identity which was based on race.
Thanks Londo.
Team Zimmerman :
OH, yeah, you're right... Zimmerman did plenty of things that were wrong, dumb, against regulations, etc.
But it wasn't illegal!!!
You momos amuse me.
WTF are you talking about?
I just said that the comment was in a police report, I just think it's 100% insignificant in relation to the legality of zimmerman keeping an eye on a thug who is casing houses.
What are you other issues? I'm done with the value of the jewelry, I know what it's worth, you know what it's worth, the topic is done.
Everything I've said is absolutely backed up by facts. You may not like the facts, but it is what it is.
It goes both waysTeam Zimmerman :
You momos amuse me.
Team Zimmerman :
OH, yeah, you're right... Zimmerman did plenty of things that were wrong, dumb, against regulations, etc.
But it wasn't illegal!!!
You momos amuse me.
Amuse us and prove any of these wrong.
Fact - Neighborhood Watch guidelines are just such a guidelines and are not considered a lawful orders
Fact - There's no laws against getting out of your car to keep an eye on someone you consider to be suspicious
Fact - The prosecution can't prove if GZ continued to follow TM
Fact - The prosecution can't prove who started the physical altercation.
Fact - GZ had head injuries
Fact - TM had a small cut on one knuckle
Fact - Two witnesses place TM on top of GZ just prior to the shot
Fact - Ballistics data shows TM was on top of GZ when the shot was fired
Fact - GZ is to be considered Innocent until proven guilty
Fact - Should this case go to trial GZ is not required to testify, this can not be held against him or can it be considered an admission of guilt. The jury will receive instructions explaining such as part of the standard jury instructions.
Fact - Should this case go to trial the jury will have to determine whether GZ's use of force was justified using the following criteria:
In deciding whether defendant was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge [him] [her] by the circumstances by which [he] [she] was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing the defendant need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, the defendant must have actually believed that the danger was real.
Fact is one of your EYE witnesses recanted and the other has a dog in the fight.
Ditto on the rest.
Fact is one of your EYE witnesses recanted and the other has a dog in the fight.
Ditto on the rest.