Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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I'm sure there will be arguments stating "but what she lied about had nothing to do with what happened on that night!", as they simultaneously carry on about GZ's slight variances in his story being proof he's lying about everything.

Edit: Haha... I guess this makes Witness #8/DeeDee "a known liar"!

Telling the police that Trayvon emerged from the darkness is completely different from dee dee's take which says that the 2 meet up & trayvon asks him why he's following him to which zimmerman responds WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?!. Then she thinks she hears " get off, get off " but that's not as certain as the previous statements.

So please... slight variation? I don't think so.

And as noted in the police report this wouldn't have even gone down if Zimmerman had done as he should have been doing and returning to his car to either wait on police or go about his business since he was done observer and reporting.

 

[OCNewbie]

Also you keep phrasing things like GZ (a known liar) is being 100% accurate in the iteration of his story you like the best.

Is it fair to assume, from hereon out, you will view anything DeeDee has said with a similar degree of skepticism you have given to GZ, considering she is now also "a known liar"?

 

[soundforbjt]

If no fist swung; then how will you account for the two separate injuries on the back of the head, broken nose and the bruising/indentations on the forehead/temple.

All shown by evidence pictures.

Have you ever played football or wrestled?

 

[Tom]

Wonder if she will be charged with perjury like GZ's wife?

Without knowing the particulars we have no way of knowing if she lied. And with just a cursory look I think its not common practice to use a perjury charge with regards to a deposition.

If it comes up at all its more likely it would be used as a prior inconsistent statement in questioning of her at the actual trial, to impeach her testimony.

I feel its important to add that what happened today seems to be more of a ploy by the defense to impeach her in the public's eye, that's the reason for asking for the medical records that they almost certainly knew did not exist.

Its the same tactic they used when they asked the investigator if he knew of any evidence at the very first hearing. Its a stunt to play to the public, has nothing to do with what will happen in the actual trial.

 

[soundforbjt]

Ugh, you are such an embarassment.

pot meet kettle...

 

[OCNewbie]

Telling the police that Trayvon emerged from the darkness is completely different from dee dee's take which says that the 2 meet up & trayvon asks him why he's following him to which zimmerman responds WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?!. Then she thinks she hears " get off, get off " but that's not as certain as the previous statements.

So please... slight variation? I don't think so.

I'm sorry, DeeDee is now "a known liar". I've included a few quotes to remind you about how you feel about such people.

In the world I live in, you don't believe a liar after they lie to you.

Why would an innocent person lie? They wouldn't if they had nothing to hide.

Zimmerman is all they have to prove his case and he's a fucking liar, therefore they have no case.

I guess you can replace "Zimmerman" with "DeeDee" now.

And if that's the case, his testimony wouldn't matter much to begin with since then he'd simply be a liar.

I guess "her" testimony won't matter much either.

Let it go. Zimmerman's already been proven to be a liar and to have zero morals.

Indeed. Let it go, airdata, let it go.

(narcissistic rage in 3...2...1...)

 

[EagleKeeper]

If no fist swung; then how will you account for the two separate injuries on the back of the head, broken nose and the bruising/indentations on the forehead/temple.

All shown by evidence pictures.

Have you ever played football or wrestled?

All that has been asked for is a credible scenario based on the evidence that can account for the 4 separate injuied areas and not done my Martin.

And where did Martin get the injury to his hand?

Please bring that into your play by play

 

[OCNewbie]

Got proof for any of the above or are you just going by the known liar's statements?

Didn't think you'd get away too, did ya sound?

I see all the GZ supporters taking everything a known proven liar says as gospel, simply because it agrees with the little evidence there is.

 

[lotus503]

I'm sorry, DeeDee is now "a known liar". I've included a few quotes to remind you about how you feel about such people.



I guess you can replace "Zimmerman" with "DeeDee" now.

I guess "her" testimony won't matter much either.

Indeed. Let it go, airdata, let it go.

(narcissistic rage in 3...2...1...)

While I certainly see dishonesty in witness #8, Did she actually lie?

"BDLR:_ OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere? Dee Dee:_ Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure."

 

[EagleKeeper]

Without knowing the particulars we have no way of knowing if she lied. And with just a cursory look I think its not common practice to use a perjury charge with regards to a deposition.

If it comes up at all its more likely it would be used as a prior inconsistent statement in questioning of her at the actual trial, to impeach her testimony.

I feel its important to add that what happened today seems to be more of a ploy by the defense to impeach her in the public's eye, that's the reason for asking for the medical records that they almost certainly knew did not exist.

Its the same tactic they used when they asked the investigator if he knew of any evidence at the very first hearing. Its a stunt to play to the public, has nothing to do with what will happen in the actual trial.

It would seem that the defense want to have the evidence to weaken the prosecution's case.

Think of this as an ace in the hole to pull out if the prosecution now tries to use anything related to DeeDee.

With her completely out of the evidence picture, then there is weakened alternative scenarios the the prosecution can latch onto when building its case.

 

[Druidx]

Without knowing the particulars we have no way of knowing if she lied. And with just a cursory look I think its not common practice to use a perjury charge with regards to a deposition.

I guess you didn't read the last page or so. During DeeDee's sworn deposition she said she was sick the day of the funeral and had to go to the hospital the next day. The prosecution just confirmed there are no hospital records, so she lied.

This could be important based on WHY she lied. Did someone like Crump suggest a story line for why she didn't attend the funeral. Crump implied they were practically boyfriend/girlfriend, so he would want her to have an excuse why she didn't attend the funeral. It was already bad enough that they needed to explain why DeeDee never mentioned this to anyone. DeeDee supposedly heard her close friend attacked by the scary guy that was chasing him but she never said a word to anyone until Crump found her weeks later.

 

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Is this a good time to touch on Zimmerman telling the police, family members, and friends all a different account of events?

"he went for the gun!"

"he was peering in houses!"

"he emerged from the darkness!"( like a motherfucking ninja! )

 

[Druidx]

I'm sorry, DeeDee is now "a known liar". I've included a few quotes to remind you about how you feel about such people.



I guess you can replace "Zimmerman" with "DeeDee" now.

I guess "her" testimony won't matter much either.

Indeed. Let it go, airdata, let it go.

(narcissistic rage in 3...2...1...)

If I had more room, I would add a link to this on my signature.

Edit:
Apparently someone complained about my signature so I had to change it. Gee, I wonder who it was.

 

[airdata]

It would seem that the defense want to have the evidence to weaken the prosecution's case.

Think of this as an ace in the hole to pull out if the prosecution now tries to use anything related to DeeDee.

With her completely out of the evidence picture, then there is weakened alternative scenarios the the prosecution can latch onto when building its case.

And to the contrary there's then no evidence Trayvon went back, laid in wait, etc.

And then you're left w\ a heap of evidence of GZ going after Trayvon and no evidence of Trayvon going after GZ.

 

[OCNewbie]

While I certainly see dishonesty in witness #8, Did she actually lie?

"BDLR:_ OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere? Dee Dee:_ Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure."

The state admitted that witness 8 lied when she stated that she did not attend Martin's funeral because of a medical issue and that there are no medical records to support that claim

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmerman-stuns-court-waives-trayvon-martin-case/story?id=18656568

 

[spidey07]

And to the contrary there's then no evidence Trayvon went back, laid in wait, etc.

And then you're left w\ a heap of evidence of GZ going after Trayvon and no evidence of Trayvon going after GZ.

Eye witnesses show martin went back to confront zimmerman to begin his brutal and vicious felony assault and battery.

There is NO evidence of GZ going after Slim, no pursuit, no chase. There is ZERO evidence of that.

 

[echo4747]

It would seem that the defense want to have the evidence to weaken the prosecution's case.

Think of this as an ace in the hole to pull out if the prosecution now tries to use anything related to DeeDee.

With her completely out of the evidence picture, then there is weakened alternative scenarios the the prosecution can latch onto when building its case.

Didn't she practically offer to lie during another part of her interview w/BDLR?

youwantthattoo?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

(narcissistic rage in 3...2...1...)

Spot on prediction!!!!

Is this a good time to touch on Zimmerman telling the police, family members, and friends all a different account of events?

"he went for the gun!"

"he was peering in houses!"

"he emerged from the darkness!"( like a motherfucking ninja! )

LMAO!!!! How about that miracle known liar of a witness????

 

[OCNewbie]

Spot on prediction!!!!

Narcissists are often pseudo-perfectionists and require being the center of attention and create situations where they will receive attention. This attempt at being perfect is cohesive with the narcissist's grandiose self-image. If a perceived state of perfection is not reached it can lead to guilt, shame, anger or anxiety because he/she believes that he/she will lose the imagined love and admiration from other people if he/she is not perfect.

Sounds a lot like airdata, no?

 

[airdata]

Spot on prediction!!!!



LMAO!!!! How about that miracle known liar of a witness????

Dee Dee is more detrimental to zimmerman's defense than his prosecution. Have seen you posting things she's said as fact... don't play dumb.

 

[lotus503]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmerman-stuns-court-waives-trayvon-martin-case/story?id=18656568

Yeah her credibility will be shot with a jury, its such a stupid thing to lie about.

 

[Druidx]

Why does the news story make a big deal about them waiving their right to a stand your ground hearing? I thought they previously said it wasn't a stand your ground case but striaght self defense.

 

[OCNewbie]

Dee Dee is more detrimental to zimmerman's defense than his prosecution. Have seen you posting things she's said as fact... don't play dumb.

I think you worded that opposite of what you intended. I agree, DeeDee's testimony would have been detrimental to GZ's defense, and would not have hurt the prosecution's case (in fact, it would have helped it).

Speaking for myself, I would have no problem if DeeDee's testimony completely disappeared (based primarily on the fact that I think it's ALL BS), which after today's revelation, basically revealing her as "a known liar", we're well on the way of that happening.

 

[Druidx]

Yeah her credibility will be shot with a jury, its such a stupid thing to lie about.

Which is why I think there was a reason behind the lie.

 

[Tom]

I guess you didn't read the last page or so. During DeeDee's sworn deposition she said she was sick the day of the funeral and had to go to the hospital the next day. The prosecution just confirmed there are no hospital records, so she lied.

This could be important based on WHY she lied. Did someone like Crump suggest a story line for why she didn't attend the funeral. Crump implied they were practically boyfriend/girlfriend, so he would want her to have an excuse why she didn't attend the funeral. It was already bad enough that they needed to explain why DeeDee never mentioned this to anyone. DeeDee supposedly heard her close friend attacked by the scary guy that was chasing him but she never said a word to anyone until Crump found her weeks later.

You are putting 2 and 2 together and concluding she lied.

First of all, you are saying she said something she did not actually say. If you are going to accuse her of lying you should at least give us her actual statement you think is a lie, not your interpretation of what she said.

I just listened to the defense lawyer's new conference, they were very careful not to accuse her of lying, and when the reporters asked questions that assumed she is lying, he would not agree with their characterization.

So I don't think its been established that she lied.