To those who were arguing with me that Zimmerman cannot get civil immunity at a jury trial: how do you square that with today's events? What lawyer would knowingly allow their client to waive their only chance at civil immunity?
I think you worded that opposite of what you intended. I agree, DeeDee's testimony would have been detrimental to GZ's defense, and would not have hurt the prosecution's case (in fact, it would have helped it).
Speaking for myself, I would have no problem if DeeDee's testimony completely disappeared (based primarily on the fact that I think it's ALL BS), which after today's revelation, basically revealing her as "a known liar", we're well on the way of that happening.
The pro zimmerman crowd has been quoting her since day 1 as long as they think it suits them to do so. There's no other evidence that trayvon went back.
When I cite her Im careful to use language so as not to pretend to know things that are unknown.
The pro zimmerman crowd has been quoting her since day 1 as long as they think it suits them to do so. There's no other evidence that trayvon went back.
When I cite her Im careful to use language so as not to pretend to know things that are unknown.
I think you worded that opposite of what you intended. I agree, DeeDee's testimony would have been detrimental to GZ's defense, and would not have hurt the prosecution's case (in fact, it would have helped it).
Speaking for myself, I would have no problem if DeeDee's testimony completely disappeared (based primarily on the fact that I think it's ALL BS), which after today's revelation, basically revealing her as "a known liar", we're well on the way of that happening.
To those who were arguing with me that Zimmerman cannot get civil immunity at a jury trial: how do you square that with today's events? What lawyer would knowingly allow their client to waive their only chance at civil immunity?
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You need to give us a warning before quoting something as hilarious as this.
Give up, you've ruined this account. No kidding, it's ruined. Your credibility is gone.
You have consistently misunderstood the "even if" part of probably every single one of those "pro-zimmerman" posts you're referring to. The point was, "even if" this person we believe to be a liar is telling the truth, her testimony is partially in GZ's favor. You always glossed over the fact that the "pro-GZ" people always felt she was full of crap.
So let's review some of the fishy factors surrounding Deedee:
- Claims she heard Trayvon being stalked and then getting attacked including him saying "get off, get off" but doesn't tell this to anyone in his family or law enforcement for three weeks.
- When she does surface, she doesn't mention the "get off, get off" in her first interview as far as we know. This interview is given across a phone line to Benjamin Crump, with Mat Gutman present. Unknown parties are with Deedee on her end.
- Crump's recording of the call is inaudible. We know Mat Gutman has an audible, clear copy though.
- DeeDee claims she missed Trayvon's funeral due to being so distraught as to need to go to the hospital. This is now known to be a lie.
- Despite claiming they'd been close friends since kindergarten, close enough to be on the phone 4 hours that day... Trayvon's family has never heard of her before this.
- Her age is initially claimed to be 16, but is now known to be 19 less than a year later. Avoiding scrutiny as a supposed "minor" appears to be the motivation on this one.
- She offers to lie at least twice that can be easily discerned on her deposition with "you want that too?" and "yea... you can say that"
- She has to be prompted 4 times roughly before she produces the "get off, get off" thing.
- She only gave her account of what she'd heard after Zimmerman's account was publicly available. Was this so she could tailor hers to not deviate from his too much? Or that someone else could?
- It's unclear if people correctly identified her social media, but if they did... it would seem she made no reference to the events near their occurance.
I may be missing some. I welcome any additions or corrections.
So let's review some of the fishy factors surrounding Deedee:
- Claims she heard Trayvon being stalked and then getting attacked including him saying "get off, get off" but doesn't tell this to anyone in his family or law enforcement for three weeks.
- When she does surface, she doesn't mention the "get off, get off" in her first interview as far as we know. This interview is given across a phone line to Benjamin Crump, with Mat Gutman present. Unknown parties are with Deedee on her end.
- Crump's recording of the call is inaudible. We know Mat Gutman has an audible, clear copy though.
- DeeDee claims she missed Trayvon's funeral due to being so distraught as to need to go to the hospital. This is now known to be a lie.
- Despite claiming they'd been close friends since kindergarten, close enough to be on the phone 4 hours that day... Trayvon's family has never heard of her before this.
- Her age is initially claimed to be 16, but is now known to be 19 less than a year later. Avoiding scrutiny as a supposed "minor" appears to be the motivation on this one.
- She offers to lie at least twice that can be easily discerned on her deposition with "you want that too?" and "yea... you can say that"
- She has to be prompted 4 times roughly before she produces the "get off, get off" thing.
- She only gave her account of what she'd heard after Zimmerman's account was publicly available. Was this so she could tailor hers to not deviate from his too much? Or that someone else could?
- It's unclear if people correctly identified her social media, but if they did... it would seem she made no reference to the events near their occurance.
I may be missing some. I welcome any additions or corrections.
I guess we won't hear any pro zimmerman nut huggers claiming they have evidence Trayvon went back to confront Zimmerman again, right?
Guess we're back to square one...
"There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.
Nor was GZ involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter
"Zimmerman, by his statement made to the call taker and recorded for reivew, and his statements made to investigators following the shooting death of Martin make it clear that he had already reached a faulty conclusion as to Martin's purpose for being in the neighborhood.''
There's no proof that GZ was not in the process of returning to his vehicle or confronted/started the physical altercation.
"Agents asked Serino about the above statement and he replied that just the act of following him was the instigation and nothing else."
Again, no proof that GZ wasn't in the process of returning to his car.
From page 124 of the lengthy pdf Druid was so kind as to post a couple pages back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So do you know who started the fight?
GILBREATH: Do I know?
O'MARA: Right.
GILBREATH: No.
O'MARA: Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight?
GILBREATH: No.
O'MARA: Since. Today. Do you have any evidence that conflicts with his suggestion that he had turned around and went back to his car?
GILBREATH: Other than his statement, no.
I've always felt the timeline, car keys, witness 11, and lady who saw a shadow run north toward the T just prior to the assault all were much more compelling evidence of that than anything DD said.
Didn't think you'd get away too, did ya sound?
"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern,"
Given the fact that Zimmerman was the supposed leader of the neighborhood watch, it'c implied he knew he wasn't supposed to initiate contact w\ any suspects. So he's on record acting against his better judgement and causing all of the events to happen.
This is absolutely irrefutable fact.
So fuck off with all your quote posts and simple minded conjecture.
To those who were arguing with me that Zimmerman cannot get civil immunity at a jury trial: how do you square that with today's events? What lawyer would knowingly allow their client to waive their only chance at civil immunity?
What then was he doing in that time frame if not continuing to follow?
From listening to the news conference it seems that the defense has decided their best option is to get the case in front of a jury and then if acquitted he's in a stronger position to ask the judge to grant civil immunity.
Just guessing but waiving the April hearing to me is a very strong indication that they did not think they would prevail in front of the judge at that hearing.
Given the fact that Zimmerman was the supposed leader of the neighborhood watch, it'c implied he knew he wasn't supposed to initiate contact w\ any suspects. So he's on record acting against his better judgement and causing all of the events to happen.
This is absolutely irrefutable fact.
So fuck off with all your quote posts and simple minded conjecture.
Yeah, just ignore the point by point destruction in the post above it. Bitch.