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Londo_Jowo

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although he recanted it later after media coverage; he initially stated that that is what he thought he saw.

We have no idea on how the police re-questioned him to trigger the recantation. If they were looking to weaken his story; their questions would have been leading and targeted that way.

Anyone know if their is an actual transcript of the recantation?

There is still the fact that he saw TM on top of GZ and John feels that the person on the bottom was struggling ans screaming

I can't find any transcripts but there are recordings.

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/peo...6-files-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-case/
 

HumblePie

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Yes, he did. Though he did not change who was on top.

He did not recant that he saw the one on top hitting the one on bottom. He changed the part about WHOM he thought was yelling for help. His first statement was that the guy on the bottom was yelling for help. His clarification was that he said that because it made the most sense in the situation he saw, but that he didn't actually SEE the person on bottom's mouth yelling for help.
 

soundforbjt

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Where is is stated that he moved 30ft (or nearly 30ft) with TM on top of him.

Multiple scenarios were talked about 6 months ago when determining angles and approximate distances as well as the locations of the body.
End result was +\- 5 ft could easily be accounted for.

The fight started at the "T" according to GZ he was punched in the nose, fell and TM was then on top of him. The body was approx 30 feet from the "T". How'd GZ move that far with TM on top of him?
 

lotus503

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He did not recant that he saw the one on top hitting the one on bottom. He changed the part about WHOM he thought was yelling for help. His first statement was that the guy on the bottom was yelling for help. His clarification was that he said that because it made the most sense in the situation he saw, but that he didn't actually SEE the person on bottom's mouth yelling for help.

I listened to the audio with the state investigator he certainly did recant. MMA blows he even goes as far to answer why he initially said that and why he isn't certain now.
 

HumblePie

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He did change the MMA portion, but didn't change the sidewalk head slamming portion of his statement.
 

EagleKeeper

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I'm not saying they're not lacerations/cuts, just that they looked like scrapes more than a simple impact-cut.

Again, your layman's opinion; are you more qualified than a trained medial doctor to evaluate the damages?
 

soundforbjt

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Again, your layman's opinion; are you more qualified than a trained medial doctor to evaluate the damages?

You mean Z man's doctor, right? I don't believe he was asked by anyone yet how he thought the injuries occurred.

And I don't believe a General practitioner has forensic training.
 

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He did change the MMA portion, but didn't change the sidewalk head slamming portion of his statement.
correct

So we have Martin creating injuries (verified by a QUALIFIED medical person) and Martin is supposed to be in fear for his life to justify such actions.

What is the level of injuries and/or amount that Zimmerman is supposed to accept prior to reacting with what methods he had available to reverse the situation.

At what point is Martin to think that I have taught this creep a lesson and it is time to go?

At least not before, or while John was around.
Apparently not immediately afterwards either, based on ballistics.

I feel that it wold have continued until Zimmerman was unconscious (potential of choking on his own blood) or LEO arrival.




/note: the QUALIFIED in bold is for those that think they can evalaute from pictures and say it is no more than a shaving style cut.
 

Londo_Jowo

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You mean Z man's doctor, right? I don't believe he was asked by anyone yet how he thought the injuries occurred.

And I don't believe a General practitioner has forensic training.

I think they have sufficient training to determine the difference between a laceration and an abrasion. I do believe the only reason GZ did get any stitches was due to the wound being over 12 hours old.
 

spidey07

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I'm not saying they're not lacerations/cuts, just that they looked like scrapes more than a simple impact-cut.

A laceration is not a "scrape"

A "scrape" is an abrasion.

He had two deep lacerations that certainly look to be caused by blunt force breaking the skin from tension/impact.

Still the fact remains - martin committed and continued to commit a forcible felony and was shot when the threat of forcible felony was imminent and present.

That's what make this such a slam dunk case of self defense. All the mounds of evidence that actually PROVE self defense, with zero evidence showing it wasn't.
 

EagleKeeper

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You mean Z man's doctor, right? I don't believe he was asked by anyone yet how he thought the injuries occurred.

And I don't believe a General practitioner has forensic training.
Does it matter how the injuries occurred; they were there.

He is more qualified as to evaluating the extent of injury than you are unless you have the medical training.

Also, remember that the EMT at the scene also attended to Zimmerman prior to the MD seeing him.
 

soundforbjt

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A laceration is not a "scrape"

A "scrape" is an abrasion.

He had two deep lacerations that certainly look to be caused by blunt force breaking the skin from tension/impact.

Still the fact remains - martin committed and continued to commit a forcible felony and was shot when the threat of forcible felony was imminent and present.

That's what make this such a slam dunk case of self defense. All the mounds of evidence that actually PROVE self defense, with zero evidence showing it wasn't.

They were not "deep". The scalp is very thin in that area.
 

spidey07

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They were not "deep". The scalp is very thin in that area.

Breaking subcutaneous tissue is considered "deep". You can see the subcutaneous tissue in the pictures.

Breaking of subcutaneous layer is consistent with skin that is broken from blunt force (aka...concrete) or tension.

Every which way you turn, every what if, every lie you pose I have thoroughly defeated.
 

Londo_Jowo

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