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EagleKeeper

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If one wants to protect ones stash; knowing that having such is illegal; I would suspect that one would get a little anxious about

So, let me get this straight. Let me prevent myself getting caught doing something illegal but minor (drug-charge) by doing something (attacking GZ) which is illegal and major (felony assault) and doing it in a manner and place that will make sure I get caught?

Really Eagle, does that make any sense to you at all? I just wonder why you keep throwing out this stuff.

Since when is attacking someone who is (in your words/mind) stalking and threatening you, illegal?

After all according to you, Martin did not do such a thing.

And is a 17 yr old going to worry about an assault when he knows that the police will not touch him.

The most that will happen is to confiscate his stash and let his parent know that he was a "bad" boy that night.

Zimmerman was disrespecting him; Martin was going to teach him a lesson that Zimmerman would remember for the rest of his life.
 

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Defense attorneys release scores of photos, preparing for George Zimmerman trial



By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
8:12 a.m. EDT, May 22, 2013

Defense attorneys have just released scores of new photos as they prepare for the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial, set to begin in Sanford in three weeks.

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Dozens were released by prosecutors last year but some are new.

For example, there are two that show Zimmerman in cap and gown at a graduation ceremony at Seminole State College. School records show that although he went through the ceremony, he did not graduate because he failed an astronomy class in fall 2011.

He was pursuing a two-year degree in criminal justice.

Zimmerman was taking three courses at the time of Trayvon's death, but school officials kicked him out after the shooting, citing safety concerns.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara did not release several of the photos he notified prosecutors that he might use. That's because of Florida privacy laws, but they include a half dozen autopsy photos of Trayvon plus 17 taken of him at the scene of the shooting.

The defense disclosure also includes video from several television news broadcasts, including those in which witnesses were interviewed.

The Orlando Sentinel is reviewing the photos and video. Check back for updates.
Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...mmerman-trial-photos-20130522,0,5366897.story
 
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Head of local New Black Panther Party arrested by Jacksonville police

Posted: May 22, 2013 - 8:24am | Updated: May 22, 2013 - 8:26am



By Dan Scanlan

The 50-year-old Southern Regional Representative of Jacksonville’s New Black Panther Party for Self Defense was arrested Monday on charges of false imprisonment and resisting an officer without violence, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.

Mikhail Shareef Muhammad of North Myrtle Avenue was booked into the Duval County jail and remains held on $200,000 bail, according to jail records. The Times-Union has requested the arrest report from the Sheriff’s Office for more details.

Muhammad’s organization protests racism and wants to “develop complete constructive change amongst our people and to defend our rights,” according to its national organization’s website, www.newblackpanther.com. Some of its recent Florida activities have included seeking the resignation of Jacksonville Councilwoman Kimberly Daniels and offered a offering a $10,000 reward for the “capture” of the George Zimmerman shortly after the fatal shooting of Sanford teenager Trayvon Martin in February of last year.

Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ck-panther-party-arrested-jacksonville-police
 

Darkman

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Gold in the mouth, front top, look somewhat familiar (re: pic in above post).

"I wanna be like Mike..." ?
 

echo4747

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Should the jury find GZ not guilty of murder; he should have a pretty valid case (libel) against the Newblackpanthers. The Black Panthers flyers state that GZ is a cold blooded murderer, when in fact, he is just an alleged murderer. Anybody know if this organization has any money/assets?
 
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Regarding the drugs......


Don't forget that one of the family members made statements that trayvon made it to the porch that night.

Based on all facts and evidence, I believe trayvon ran away and hid his narcotics and burglary tools he was known to carry around on the porch behind his house. He wasn't sure if zimmerman was an undercover cop or just a concerned citizen. Either way, they interrupted him casing houses and would surely pay for it.

He then came back and confronted zimmerman. Once seeing he wasn't a cop he let loose his vicious assault to make him pay for stepping up.
 

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One of the many questions I&#8217;m curious to see answered during the trial is why two different family members made statements implying it started when TM was on the back porch.
 

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One of the many questions I’m curious to see answered during the trial is why two different family members made statements implying it started when TM was on the back porch.

I would imagine, in the year+ since those statements were made, they have already developed a believable explanation for them (if there was anything suspect about the original meaning).
 

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Yet another myth being put forth by the pro marijuana use crowd.

I know for a fact that people who are high can be as aggressive as someone who is drunk. In fact paranoia from being high can cause users to be aggressive/combative with someone they think is after them.

Yes they can be, but I suspect rarely are. the paranoia aspect of THC and cannabinoids is usually found in first time or very limited use.

People who are high on weed are by in large less violent than drunks, Unless your a cheeto.
 

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I&#8217;m curious to know what people are most surprised by from the recent evidence released by the defense. The first item that stood out for me was the grass stains on TM knees. I can&#8217;t believe we didn&#8217;t hear about that before.
 

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Yes they can be, but I suspect rarely are. the paranoia aspect of THC and cannabinoids is usually found in first time or very limited use.

People who are high on weed are by in large less violent than drunks, Unless your a cheeto.

Actually some studies show aggression can occur in long time usage as well.

http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/aggression.htm

In general, after using marijuana a person experiences a sedating effect, which makes the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g., amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when marijuana is used it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, which can result in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use marijuana regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is unclear why this is the case, but it may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use marijuana. marijuana is also part of the illegal drug market, which may increase the chances of violence occurring in some social interactions.

Research also shows that marijuana users who commit violent acts usually have a history of violence before they start using the drug.

In addition, when people are withdrawing from marijuana they can be irritable, which can lead to abusive or aggressive behaviour.
 

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I’m curious to know what people are most surprised by from the recent evidence released by the defense. The first item that stood out for me was the grass stains on TM knees. I can’t believe we didn’t hear about that before.

I suspect before all is said and done we'll find out more evidence that backs up GZ's claims rather than refute them.
 

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I’m curious to know what people are most surprised by from the recent evidence released by the defense. The first item that stood out for me was the grass stains on TM knees. I can’t believe we didn’t hear about that before.

Coming from kneeling on top of Zimmerman.

It would have been expected given Zimmerman's account and John statements.
 

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I’m curious to know what people are most surprised by from the recent evidence released by the defense. The first item that stood out for me was the grass stains on TM knees. I can’t believe we didn’t hear about that before.

I believe there was a lack of such things on GZ's clothing as well (haven't really gone through the new stuff that much yet).
 

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I&#8217;m curious to know what people are most surprised by from the recent evidence released by the defense. The first item that stood out for me was the grass stains on TM knees. I can&#8217;t believe we didn&#8217;t hear about that before.

TM's earbuds stand out to me... I don't think he could have had much of a conversation with dee dee when he started to run ... those type of earphones wont stay in your ears (I dont see the clip that goes around the ear that i see most joggers wear.)

the photo button he was wearing (7-11 pics) seems to be located right where he was shot. The photo button close up pic looks very clean I would think it was probably removed just before the altercation (iirc GZ on the 911 call mentioned he was wearing the button)
 
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TM's earbuds stand out to me... I don't think he could have had much of a conversation with dee dee when he started to run ... those type of earphones wont stay in your ears (I dont see the clip that goes around the ear that i see most joggers wear.)

the photo button he was wearing (7-11 pics) seems to be located right where he was shot. The photo button close up pic looks very clean I would think it was probably removed just before the altercation (iirc GZ on the 911 call mentioned he was wearing the button)


I thought he had the earbuds in his pocket? Part of why it's easy to show he was specifically preparing to assault someone... If zimmerman randomly attacked him he wouldn't have been able to neatly tuck them in his pocket.
 

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Jodi Arias to George Zimmerman: HLN announces shift

By Hal Boedeker, Stuff writer
12:23 p.m. EDT, May 22, 2013

After the Jodi Arias trial concludes, HLN has big plans, and George Zimmerman is a major part of them.

HLN on Wednesday announced that it will offer a Zimmerman preview, "Zimmerman Police Tapes," at 6 p.m. Monday (Memorial Day). Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.

HLN is promising extensive coverage of the Zimmerman trial, set to begin June 10. The channel will present the special "HLN After Dark Zimmerman" at a date to be announced later.

The channel did offer this preview: "This special will review issues surrounding this hot-button case and feature HLN's on-air team including Nancy Grace, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Dr. Drew, Vinnie Politan and Ryan Smith, who will provide expert commentary."

"HLN After Dark" will air at 10 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays in June and the topics will be trials and other stories in the "court of public opinion," HLN said. The start date will be announced later.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/ente...s-to-george-zimmerman-20130522,0,4499122.post
 

echo4747

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I thought he had the earbuds in his pocket? Part of why it's easy to show he was specifically preparing to assault someone... If zimmerman randomly attacked him he wouldn't have been able to neatly tuck them in his pocket.

earbuds and photo button i believe were both recovered in pocket. i was wondering how he could be running and talking w/dee dee ... those earbuds probably would fall out... how would dee dee know what tm would be saying and vice versa

unless he was running with his hands on his ears, holding the the earbuds in
 
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earbuds and photo button i believe were both recovered in pocket. i was wondering how he could be running and talking w/dee dee ... those earbuds probably would fall out... how would dee dee know what tm would be saying and vice versa

unless he was running with his hands on his ears, holding the the earbuds in


She was told what to say by crump and sharpton.

I very much doubt she heard a thing. If she had, she would've at least tried to contact trayvon's parents or something.
 

Darkman

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Is it a fact / guarantee that TM was even talking to Dee Dee that night (and if so, for how long) ... or could that story be, simply, made up by Crump, Dee Dee etc?
 
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earbuds and photo button i believe were both recovered in pocket. i was wondering how he could be running and talking w/dee dee ... those earbuds probably would fall out... how would dee dee know what tm would be saying and vice versa

unless he was running with his hands on his ears, holding the the earbuds in

Huh? I run a minimum of 3x a week with earbuds. You dont have to hold them in your ears.
 
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