Then again if GZ FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given to him by the dispatch, none of this would have happened and why else besides fear would you run off??
If the "Special" prosecutors followed the law they shouldn't have brought charges against GZ. The original DA and SPD knew this so they chose to follow the law. I have no doubt a grand jury would not have indicted GZ either.
All they have/had is speculation, conjecture, innuendo, and emotion, no probable cause whatsoever...period.
The opportunity was created when TM supposedly hid somewhere and jumped out to attack GZ by surprise. This is what GZ says happened. It seems plausible that a violent / troubled teenager would do that.
Then again if GZ FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given to him by the dispatch, none of this would have happened and why else besides fear would you run off??felt like excising?. All we have are GZ's account of what happened and he's proven his ability to lie and manipulate. How could have planned to "double back and hide", he didn't even know GZ had left the car at that point, more than likely stopped running thinking he'd lost him and started walking and talking on the phone again and GZ's story of "finding and address" is laughable as proved by the prosecutor, there were only three streets in the area and GZ knew the entire neighborhood like the back of his hand but hey, he needed an excuse to explain going after TM and that one fit the bill.
Her statements indicate that
Martin was by the house of Brandy.
Martin made the decision to then go confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman reappeared
Martin made the first verbal contact.
This is the order that she described what happened from her POV. She was asked by the State to describe what she heard; it did not imply a random order not did the way she explained was in a random order. either side would have asked for clarification if that was the case.
Now a proper logical assumption would be that Martin was also out of Zimmerman's field of vision while he was on the phone to the NEN dispatcher.
I am estimating that that was past the top of the T; Flashlight against the dog baggy stand in the recording.
So Martin was either hiding around the first set of houses (per Zimmerman re-enactment) or down a few units by Brandy's place out of visual range.
It is interesting how Martin would have been able to see Zimmerman and not the reverse unless in a location where he was unable to be observed
Maybe so.
...so?
The gun is an equalizer. It's a very good and valid reason to feel safer in the performance of his duty...as proven by the encounter.
Was he never armed before? Is that the first time he ever had the gun?
For liability reasons, Neighborhood Watch also cannot have rules that keep you in a potentially dangerous situation. He may have felt a duty to be effective in his role, even if his personal safety was compromised by the decision to follow...AND THAT IS ASSUMING GZ ACTUALLY FOLLOWED TM, WHICH HE CLAIMS HE DID NOT DO AND WE CANNOT PROVE OTHERWISE.
Again:Then again if GZ FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given to him by the dispatch, none of this would have happened
To get the jump on this "creepy ass cracka" that [was/is/had been] following him...?and why else besides fear would you run off??
Performance of his duty? he's no cop...he's a cop wanna-be, no doubt about that.
Performance of his duty? he's no cop...he's a cop wanna-be, no doubt about that.
No one has proof that he didn't follow the NEN dispatcher's request "we don't need you to do that". If there was proof the prosecution screwed up and didn't present it. The same is true as to who confronted who, if we are to believe Rachel (as well as GZ), TM was the one that confronted GZ and not the other way around.
- We can't prove that GZ followed TM. He claims he didn't. Z said he was looking for the closest street sign. Maybe untrue, we just don't know.
+ 1
... anyhow who calls Dersh a clown is a true clown themselves ...
I'm personally convinced BRD he got out to follow him and continued to look for him.
The looking for an address meme is laughable frankly.
I do think he shot in self defense I also think he omitted details that would have put him in a negative light.
Like the fact he kept looking for him.
I suspect his "looking for TM" was standing at the end of the walk looking down the street towards the rear entrance hoping to see TM head out like those before him.
Performance of his duty? he's no cop...he's a cop wanna-be, no doubt about that.
I guess you could say that about every single effective neighborhood watch coordinator, couldn't you?
GZ was justifiably suspicious of TM. The target of suspicion can be referred to as a "suspect." That was an appropriate term. It means you have not made a solid conclusion about the actions or intentions of the person.
We also don't know what Zimmerman was doing for a big block of time, he could have been wandering south to look for him.
Lucky for you (j/k) I am going to sleep now ... lol ....anyone who posts in this thread other than to ridicule it is a true clown themselves
I think they have one possibly two hold outs and the others are trying to convince them by discussing the evidence/testimony piece by piece. They adjoined to give the hold out some time to think it over and start off fresh this morning.
No actually, most I would imagine do it within the guidelines of NHW. and do not go that extra step of carrying a weapon and getting out of their car to follow people.
GZ has said TM jumped out of the bushes in one statement, he said in his re-enactment that he was walking towards him from the side. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Maybe, there is nothing to suggest otherwise, outside of the body and most of the evidence locations.
we have to believe he stumbled shimmied 20-30 feet. vs started off further south. Either are possible given the evidence.
No evidence of Zimmerman being south of the T before the assault. I agree, however there is substantial evidence south of the T. he either shimmed there, stumbled there or started closer to there, we just don't know.
Those two minutes? Maybe he was sitting by the street waiting for a sign of movement. Maybe he was scared to cross back towards his truck. We just don't know. True we don't know
There IS evidence of movement towards the T, around the time TM saw GZ and then spoke to GZ. When TM confronted GZ at the T. It could have been towards the T. Martin did have to move north at all, he could have been 30 feet south where his body was the entire time.