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Darkman

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HLN has the "Verdict Watch thingy" ON ... constantly now ... even during the commercials ...

But I'am going to keep my TV on CNN ... as I don't like HLN even more than I don't like CNN ... LOL
 

lotus503

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Yet, he showed how the fight progressed that direction in his reenactment.

Yes he indicated he may have stumbled, right around where the keychain flashlight was found about 8' from the T. What about the other 22'ish feet?

Thats my point the physical evidence supports a number of different scenarios so making an affirmative conclusion like EK is simply not possible.
 

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So why didn't he accept the uniform and car???

Exactly. That was from an interaction with Wendy Dorival (who wanted to recommend him for Citizens on Patrol). He didn't want to do it. Keep in mind that this is closer in time to the night in question than the things people cite as "proof" that he was a wanna-be cop.

(The ride-along that was cited as "proof" was actually a negative experience for him, he ended up standing up at a townhall meeting regarding Sherman Ware where he is recorded on tape criticizing the officer he rode along with, calling what he saw "disgusting".)

There's clear indication that he no longer wanted to go into law enforcement. He also stated in writing to one of his professors that his goal was to go to law school and become a prosecutor and eventually a judge.
 

lotus503

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Exactly. That was from an interaction with Wendy Dorival (who wanted to recommend him for Citizens on Patrol). He didn't want to do it. Keep in mind that this is closer in time to the night in question than the things people cite as "proof" that he was a wanna-be cop.

(The ride-along that was cited as "proof" was actually a negative experience for him, he ended up standing up at a townhall meeting regarding Sherman Ware where he is recorded on tape criticizing the officer he rode along with, calling what he saw "disgusting".)

There's clear indication that he no longer wanted to go into law enforcement. He also stated in writing to one of his professors that his goal was to go to law school and become a prosecutor and eventually a judge.

Right had he agreed he wouldn't have been able to carry his gun on patrol and he would have had a full background check run, where his prior arrest would have been uncovered.
 

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Harvard’s Dershowitz discusses Jury’s choices in Zimmerman Trial

Posted on July 13, 2013 by ytz4mee

Alan Dershowitz has been a voracious critic of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey from the day she held the presser to announce the Second Degree Murder charges.



In a radio interview on the Steve Malzberg show, he accuses again Corey of being unprofessional and his opinion of what should happen to Angela Corey in the fallout aftermath of this trial: (starts around 4:00)

“she should be removed from office, she should be charged with unprofessional conduct, she should be disciplined by the Bar and disciplined by the Court for withholding exculpatory evidence, for overcharging, for raising expectations and for acting in a thoroughly unprofessional manner….”

The Dersh also does a good job of outlining Judge Nelson’s strategy of allowing the State to request Manslaughter as a consideration for the jury in the hope they will respond to Guy’s emotional appeal and reach what is termed a “compromise” verdict.

He goes on to state, @ 6:30 in a hit tip to Progressive cognitive dissonance and contemporary talking points about this case …. “it is monumentally irrelevant who’s morally guilty here ….”

I don’t think that this is the last we have heard from Dersh on this case…

Read more: http://theconservativetreehouse.com...z-discusses-jurys-choices-in-zimmerman-trial/
 

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Basically a surprise attack on a very dark night. Minor inconsistences are expected. You are aware that someone giving multiple statements with absolutely no inconsistences is most likely lying?

Are you of the type where you are willing to use a double standard to go after GZ? In so far as you insist he's guilty, then if GZ gives no inconsistences in multiple accounts then you would assert he is lying due to the above knowledge. Whereas if he gives some inconsistences, as he has, then he is still intentionally lying and guilty.

How do you reconcile your perception vs the professionals involved who disagree with you?

Bottom line inconsistences have been covered and do not meaningfully detract from the honesty GZ has shown regarding what occurred that night.

Why do you think GZ has been honest about what happened that night? You don't think with his knowledge of criminal law studies he could be lying?
 

Jaskalas

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It could have been towards the T. Martin did have to move north at all, he could have been 30 feet south where his body was the entire time.

I wish I had a plot of the homes + witness locations. It'd be extremely clear to either confirm or correct my claim of location.

Woman on the right said there was running towards the T. If she lives next to it... that'd mean they were at the T. Woman on the left who did live at the corner heard something at the T moving south.

Someone goes to the T, the assault begins... they (together) move 30' to the south.
 

lotus503

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Harvard’s Dershowitz discusses Jury’s choices in Zimmerman Trial

Posted on July 13, 2013 by ytz4mee

Alan Dershowitz has been a voracious critic of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey from the day she held the presser to announce the Second Degree Murder charges.



In a radio interview on the Steve Malzberg show, he accuses again Corey of being unprofessional and his opinion of what should happen to Angela Corey in the fallout aftermath of this trial: (starts around 4:00)

“she should be removed from office, she should be charged with unprofessional conduct, she should be disciplined by the Bar and disciplined by the Court for withholding exculpatory evidence, for overcharging, for raising expectations and for acting in a thoroughly unprofessional manner….”

The Dersh also does a good job of outlining Judge Nelson’s strategy of allowing the State to request Manslaughter as a consideration for the jury in the hope they will respond to Guy’s emotional appeal and reach what is termed a “compromise” verdict.

He goes on to state, @ 6:30 in a hit tip to Progressive cognitive dissonance and contemporary talking points about this case …. “it is monumentally irrelevant who’s morally guilty here ….”

I don’t think that this is the last we have heard from Dersh on this case…

Read more: http://theconservativetreehouse.com...z-discusses-jurys-choices-in-zimmerman-trial/


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/2...told-by-zimmerman-attorney-was-inappropriate/


"And everything in this case comes down to George Zimmerman's credibility."

 

lotus503

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I wish I had a plot of the homes + witness locations. It'd be extremely clear to either confirm or correct my claim of location.

Woman on the right said there was running towards the T. If she lives next to it... that'd mean they were at the T. Woman on the left who did live at the corner heard something at the T moving south.

Someone goes to the T, the assault begins... they (together) move 30' to the south.

Sure and another witness said she saw two people running north towards the T. Witnesses are not completely reliable.
 

Darkman

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Posted on July 13, 2013 by ytz4mee

Welcome to the “NEW” America. The land of revenge and retribution, where the mob rules and Truth is buried with the full cover and tactical support of the Propaganda arm of the Obama Administration

- aka - the Corporate Media

Understand the following is a classic case of deliberate Media Malpractice. It isn’t “accidental”. Still want to tell me you get your “news” from the Corporate Media?

Dateline: July 1, 2013, Cobb County, Georgia​

Meet Joshua Heath Chellow, 36. Like many others, he assumed the early hours of July 1st were going to be another regular day filled with the normal day-to-day activities of life in middle class America – a day that included stopping for gas at a Marbleton, GA gas station in the suburbs of Atlanta.​


Unfortunately for Joshua, filling up his tank meant he had to exit his vehicle. Joshua had the misfortune of the same condition that afflicted George Zimmerman that fateful and now infamous night of Feb 26th, 2012 – REWW. (*) Apparently that was sufficient enough for him to be “Trayvonned”.

The media is silent on what compelled the attackers, but what is known is that Joshua was set upon and mercilessly beaten in a life-threatening attack by a group of four “unarmed” black males. In a desperate attempt at self-preservation, Joshua began backing away from his attackers – stumbling onto the parkway in front of the gas station where he was run over by a passing car. The driver of the vehicle stopped, rendered aid and called 9-11 but Joshua died of his injuries.

Continue reading →

 
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Why do you think GZ has been honest about what happened that night? You don't think with his knowledge of criminal law studies he could be lying?

Serino and Singleton thought he was truthful not to mention passing two voice stress test. I will take their conclusions over yours as they were the one's to question him and monitor his actions/reactions.
 

Doppel

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I'm pretty sure that in most cases like this once jury is done they announce when verdict will be read and it's some hours after they announce (right?), so no need to feel one has to be glued to tv all day

And back to yesterday's talk of cycling I just did an hour forty this morning. Weather was great!
 

Jaskalas

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So the witness says two people you believe her but think it was only one person?

that doesn't make any sense.

Am I only allowed to take her testimony as all or nothing?

I would not surmise certainty in what she says moved north. Only that there was movement north.
 

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I'm personally convinced BRD he got out to follow him and continued to look for him.

The looking for an address meme is laughable frankly.

The looking for the address "meme" is possibly just him confusing what he was doing at exactly what time. I do think that the impetus for him getting out of the car was the dispatcher asking him which way he was going and in that sense he was following. But to me it seems reasonable for him to go to the eastern end of the top of the T to get the house number on a street he knows.

I do think he shot in self defense I also think he omitted details that would have put him in a negative light.

Like the fact he kept looking for him.

I suspect his "looking for TM" was standing at the end of the walk looking down the street towards the rear entrance hoping to see TM head out like those before him.

Londo_Jowo that makes sense to me. It also explains some of the minute or so that is unaccounted for.

Also it seems very odd to me that some people are convinced that Zimmerman was looking for and somehow found Martin. Considering he only had that tiny flashlight working that undoubtedly has only very short range it's far more likely that Martin saw Zimmerman before Zimmerman saw Martin.
 

Darkman

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CNN:

"If you thought Judge Judy was tough" (Re: Nelson) ... LOL ...

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They are going to have a story on Nelson now, I guess, after the commercial
 

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Why do you think GZ has been honest about what happened that night? You don't think with his knowledge of criminal law studies he could be lying?

I honestly am not 100% positive either way. I acknowledge that GZ could be somewhat of a mastermind here, so much so that I'm incapable of seeing that. I do not intend sarcasm there, merely acknowledgement of that which I don't know or don't have the capacity to see.

I feel more strongly that there's no evidence that GZ is an "evil genius" so to speak. Of course if he were, I wouldn't know it. A catch 22.

That being said, while clearly GZ could be lying with intent and intimate knowledge of where/how to lie to get off of charges, I do not think that is his intent or motive for speaking on multiple occasions about what occurred that night. I do generally believe he has been honest about what he believes occurred that night despite some inconsistences across his accounts.

I do say this having been in a similar situation, not that I was an offender, but an observer. I know I remembered things slightly differently during different times and it was simply my intent to be as honest as possible rather than to deceive.
 
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lotus503

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Am I only allowed to take her testimony as all or nothing?

You can do whatever you want to do. But just to be clear of what you are doing.

Witness is reliable to the point she saw something but not what she stated she saw. You use her testimony to conclude martin was traveling North, when her testimony was two people were, Your removing a person from her testimony completely. You CAN do that, I don't think that reasonable though.
 

lotus503

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I honestly am not 100% positive either way. I acknowledge that GZ could be somewhat of a mastermind here, so much so that I'm incapable of seeing that. I do not intend sarcasm there, merely acknowledgement of that which I don't know or don't have the capacity to see.

I feel more strongly that there's no evidence that GZ is an "evil genius" so to speak. Of course if he were, I wouldn't know it. A catch 22.

That being said, while clearly GZ could be lying with intent and intimate knowledge of where/how to lie to get off of charges, I do not think that is his intent or motive for speaking on multiple occasions about what occurred that night. I do generally believe he has been honest about what he believes occurred that night despite some inconsistences across his accounts.

I do say this having been in a similar situation, not that I was an offender, but an observer. I know I remembered things slightly differently during different times and it was simply my intent to be as honest as possible rather than to deceive.


I don't understand this concept that either GZ is a total criminal mastermind or completely truthful.

Why cant he be partially truthful while omitted some actions that may cast a negative light on his actions?

I don't think he planned to kill him, but I also think its very probable he was more active in his search for martin that he wants the justice system to know.
 

Darkman

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That black Judge, the one on CNN now ... sounds quite good and logical ... I kinda like her ... LOL ...

She doesn't look that bad either, BTW
 
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