That black Judge, the one on CNN now ... sounds quite good and logical ... I kinda like her ... LOL ...
She doesn't look that bad either, BTW
That black Judge, the one on CNN now ... sounds quite good and logical ... I kinda like her ... LOL ...
She doesn't look that bad either, BTW
Is there a law that says a citizen can't follow a citizen unless the citizen being followed has committed a crime? The fact is, GZ had as much right as TM to be there.What crime did TM commit that caused GZ to follow him? Even Serino said under the same circumstances, he wouldn't have done what GZ did and HE IS A COP.
I don't understand this concept that either GZ is a total criminal mastermind or completely truthful.
Why cant he be partially truthful while omitted some actions that may cast a negative light on his actions?
I don't think he planned to kill him, but I also think its very probable he was more active in his search for martin that he wants the justice system to know.
You can do whatever you want to do. But just to be clear of what you are doing.
Witness is reliable to the point she saw something but not what she stated she saw. You use her testimony to conclude martin was traveling North, when her testimony was two people were, Your removing a person from her testimony completely. You CAN do that, I don't think that reasonable though.
Maybe, there is nothing to suggest otherwise, outside of the body and most of the evidence locations.
we have to believe he stumbled shimmied 20-30 feet. vs started off further south. Either are possible given the evidence.
I don't talk very much .. I mostly type ))))Its must suck to watch a movie with you, I bet you talk the entire time
Right had he agreed he wouldn't have been able to carry his gun on patrol and he would have had a full background check run, where his prior arrest would have been uncovered.
Is there a law that says a citizen can't follow a citizen unless the citizen being followed has committed a crime? The fact is, GZ had as much right as TM to be there.
I doubt it, though certainly anything is possible.
By way of illustration, Amy Senser (wife of retired Vikings player Joe Senser) was convicted here last year of leaving the scene of a fatal accident (she hit a guy putting gas in his car on an off-ramp with her car, then left the scene - the implication was that she was drunk but that was not charged). She appealed her conviction based on a couple of significant errors by the trial court, errors I consider less legally defensible than anything Judge Nelson did in this case in that they were clear mistakes, whereas I think there is at least a legal justification for all of Nelson's decisions. The Court of Appeals upheld the conviction and sentence in full.
I did not watch the entire trial in this case, but in substance I think all of Judge Nelson's decisions were right or at least legally defensible.
I am puzzled that people point to the distance between what Zimmerman claims is initial contact and where most of the actual struggle takes place as meaningful in any way. If someone is punched in the nose they will be stunned to some degree. He likely doesn't even remember the details of exactly how they got to where they got to. Plus the distance isn't even all that far. His claim is that he was trying to get away and was using his arms to try to push Martin away from him. In that scenario I just don't understand how it's hard to understand at all how that might happen. You see it all the time during a football game where a ball carrier gets hit hard enough that it's unavoidable that he is going to fall to the ground but he manages to advance the ball further. Beyond that he likely rolled on the ground after he fell with momentum before Martin got on top. Plus the State never pointed to that distance as a factor to cast doubt on Zimmerman's account as far as I can recall, surely they would have if they thought it could have some traction.
What crime did TM commit that caused GZ to follow him? Even Serino said under the same circumstances, he wouldn't have done what GZ did and HE IS A COP.
I wish I had a plot of the homes + witness locations. It'd be extremely clear to either confirm or correct my claim of location.
Woman on the right said there was running towards the T. If she lives next to it... that'd mean they were at the T. Woman on the left who did live at the corner heard something at the T moving south.
Someone goes to the T, the assault begins... they (together) move 30' to the south.
Sure and another witness said she saw two people running north towards the T. Witnesses are not completely reliable.
As you didn't quote it, I'll assume you missed my explanation:
I would not surmise certainty in what she says moved north. Only that there was movement north.
What will we do if we don't get a verdict today?
Is there a law that says a citizen can't follow a citizen unless the citizen being followed has committed a crime? The fact is, GZ had as much right as TM to be there.
Go out with your ex-wife ....What will we do if we don't get a verdict today?
There's no evidence he knew any of that. In fact he told the police he had a clean record. Surely he knew they wouldn't just take his word for it. Quite possible he believed he factually had a clean record.
As far as I can recall Wendy Dorival simply offered to recommend him and Zimmerman declined. She didn't say he asked or investigated what that involved before he declined.
Good point. It's doesn't have to be black and white, but this doesn't mean it's not either. We get back to a deserved "could be" and everyone is going to have a take on it.
While clearly GZ is going to have omitted some things from what is the absolute truth of what occurred, its my belief that it was not done with any intent other than to present what he believes actually occurred. Rather it would have been done because in general people don't remember absolute truth, they remember what their faculties at any given time allow them to. I say this because my reaction to GZ is that he is generally of the belief that the absolute truth is his asset. Even if he is mistaken about the outcome because of misunderstanding of laws, it appears to me given his conduct that he'd like the absolute truth presented.
I think GZ's reaction to the challenge statement regarding the false idea that the whole thing was taped is largely telling of his overall perception of what really happened and what it means for his fate.
20-30 feet is only substantial because of GZ's own statements and reenactment of what occurred.
Yes it's unlikely to stumble 30 feet when punched in the nose. He didn't say he ran, he said he went down and was mounted and beaten.
Verdict today or not .. Anyone dares to predict? :biggrin: