Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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EagleKeeper

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Yeah why sign up for a group with rules when you can just so your own thing?

You insinuate he didn't do it to support he wasn't a wannabe cop.

Yet he still was patrolling the NH armed and following suspects, much like a cop

Was his intent to be armed while following suspects or he was just armed when a suspect showed up and acted suspicious.

Being armed was never intended against a person, but a animal.
 

owensdj

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Yeah, lack of blood & oxygen to the brain caused by a gunshot to the heart could never cause brain damage, could it? And LOL at the pot statement.

I'm sure the examiner could tell the difference between long-term damage and the damage that happens EVERY TIME someone has died.

Why are you laughing at the pot statement? It's a fact that he had THC in his system. Are you a pot user yourself? Maybe that's why you're discounting the effects on judgement caused by it?
 

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I don't know what Martin was thinking. It is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the EVIDENCE produced at trail. The prosecution didn't introduce a shred of evidence to backup that assertion.

Please provide me a single shred of evidence to backup your assertion.

As soon as you provide one piece of evidence that TM started the physical confrontation (damage to GZ's face/head does not prove it).
 

lotus503

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Was his intent to be armed while following suspects or he was just armed when a suspect showed up and acted suspicious.

Being armed was never intended against a person, but a animal.

Yeah because the dog was everywhere he went with the gun?

No I think he was just like a lot of people who carry, its a feeling of security one doesnt have without a gun.
 

EagleKeeper

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Because he has actually been trained in law enforcement and knows what to do and what justifies/triggers warranted suspicion.

It's no crime to do alot of stupid things, but doing them when you know it's stupid and against the guidelines/instructions laid out is asking for a bad outcome. I know it's stupid to wear a tie when operating a drill press, if I wear one and get hurt, was it the drill presses fault?

What law enforcement training.
I do not recall ever that he went to an academy or received specialized training of being a LEO.

A couple of classed != full fledged training.

Would you want someone who took a couple of courses in anatomy at a local JC doing an tracheotomy on you?
 

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I'm sure the examiner could tell the difference between long-term damage and the damage that happens EVERY TIME someone has died.

Why are you laughing at the pot statement? It's a fact that he had THC in his system. Are you a pot user yourself? Maybe that's why you're discounting the effects on judgement caused by it?

It's also a fact that GZ had a prescription for a legal drug (that's widely abused) that can alter a person's perception of reality.
 

EagleKeeper

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Yeah, lack of blood & oxygen to the brain caused by a gunshot to the heart could never cause brain damage, could it? And LOL at the pot statement.

Our local ME.

When did you become qualified to make such a conclusion?

You have made a lot of statements regarding the medical field that failed to deliver; is this another?
 

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What law enforcement training.
I do not recall ever that he went to an academy or received specialized training of being a LEO.

A couple of classed != full fledged training.

Would you want someone who took a couple of courses in anatomy at a local JC doing an tracheotomy on you?

I was referring to Serino and the fact he testified he wouldn't have found TM's presence/actions as suspicious to him.
 

EagleKeeper

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And GZ had over 2 minutes to return to his truck and wait for police. The truth is GZ was still actively looking for TM, he was going to make sure this asshole did not get away...see how that works?

Both have unaccounted for time;
One has a witness indicating intent to confront during that time frame
 

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He also had 4 minutes to call the police.
He didn't.
He wasn't scared of that "crazy ass cracker" following him.

Calling the police is the first thing any sane/rational person would do if they were scared. Martin did not.

You are correct. He wanted a confrontation.

I can understand that he wouldn't call the police, but not why he wouldn't call his father if he really felt he was in some sort of danger.

If he didn't want to lead someone to Brandy's house he could have gone past it a little, waited to make sure he had lost whoever was following, and then gone in. He had more than enough time to do so while Zimmerman was still on the phone as well as the additional time before contact.

I'm not sure if he wanted a confrontation but Jeantel was suspiciously vague about what was said exactly in the moments before "Why are you following me." I would guess that at a minimum he went back to check out the "creepy ass cracker"

And since Zimmerman had that tiny flashlight with very little range it's far more likely that Martin saw Zimmerman before Zimmerman saw Martin.
 

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As soon as you provide one piece of evidence that TM started the physical confrontation (damage to GZ's face/head does not prove it).

That isn't how America works.
There is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't need to provide any evidence.
You are the one accusing Zimmerman of doing something, so Mr. Prosecution, where is your evidence?
 

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I don't know is the answer to most of it, seeing as how he had made numerous calls about suspicious activity, I have to think at least part of what he had witnessed to trigger those calls was from patrolling the NH.

Being as how a lot of the calls he wouldn't be able to witness from his residence.

He was the watch captain and his neighbours would contact him and he would call to give the information to police.
 

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I don't know what Martin was thinking. It is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the EVIDENCE produced at trail. The prosecution didn't introduce a shred of evidence to backup that assertion.

Please provide me a single shred of evidence to backup your assertion.

It's as relevant as you believing you know what GZ was thinking.
 

EagleKeeper

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No its contrary to what he said he was doing though, if the goal was to walk back to the truck it doesn't take 2 minutes.

He also indicted that he was waling to the end of the T to see if Martin took off that way.

Add in the time to walk to the end, look around and start walking back.

Boom - there is the two minutes that everyone complains about.

And it is also logical, not emotional or looking for a solutions to justify an finger pointing

GZ was a concerned citizen; trying to provide the law with every piece of info he could to make his neighborhood safer.

that seems to be a mind set that the lynch mob and hanger-ons do not want to comprehend
 

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It's as relevant as you believing you know what GZ was thinking.

I don't know what GZ was thinking either.
Nor do I have any evidence to clue me into whatever GZ may or may not have been thinking.

The only evidence I do have is that TM was on top of GZ and that interaction resulted in injuries to GZ. Therefor I must conclude self-defesne.
 

a777pilot

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Good Lord, people, it's this shit over with yet?

"Z" is toast. Always has been. He is but a fat offering on the alter of racial "peace".


Having said what the brain tells me, my emotions are hoping for an acquittal. I want to see the riots. It ought to be fun to watch.
 

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He also indicted that he was waling to the end of the T to see if Martin took off that way.

Add in the time to walk to the end, look around and start walking back.

Boom - there is the two minutes that everyone complains about.

And it is also logical, not emotional or looking for a solutions to justify an finger pointing

GZ was a concerned citizen; trying to provide the law with every piece of info he could to make his neighborhood safer.

that seems to be a mind set that the lynch mob and hanger-ons do not want to comprehend

That took 23 seconds in GZ re-enactment... And that's with him stopping & explaining it while he's doing it.
 
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lotus503

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He also indicted that he was waling to the end of the T to see if Martin took off that way. Makes no sense he knew he didnt go that way

Add in the time to walk to the end, look around and start walking back. He was already halfway there at least when he hung up, the clock starts then it doesn't take 2 minutes, it doesn't even take 1.

Boom - there is the two minutes that everyone complains about. Not even close

And it is also logical, not emotional or looking for a solutions to justify an finger pointing.

GZ was a concerned citizen; trying to provide the law with every piece of info he could to make his neighborhood safer. GZ was trying to ensure the asshole didnt get away, both are accurate depending on what EMOTION you want to put behind it.

that seems to be a mind set that the lynch mob and hanger-ons do not want to comprehend Your mindset seems to be to offer your speculation as factual basis then spend countless hours admonishing others for doing the same

Zimmerman has reasonable doubt on his side but your no different than Emp or anyone else in trying to fill in missing pieces. Difference is you spend a lot of time blasting people for doing what you do.
 

EagleKeeper

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Why would he run home?, he thought he had lost Zimmerman who was following him from his truck?
He did not need to run home.

He stopped somewhere south of the T and out of view from the T. He had no concern about the weather when he was taking it easy coming back from 7/11 so he cold have just stopped anywhere on the North South leg to talk instead of going in out of the rain. To be out of sight, he would have had to be at least the same distance from the T as the West leg length of the T. That puts him over 2/3 the distance from the T to Brandy's location.

If he was concerned for his safety; he had the option to contact people, let RJ know.

He never demonstrated an concern/fear. He demonstrated anger.

If he thought Zimmerman was LEO; that could affect his perceptions and actions - get rid of anything he had on him that was illegal.

You have indications by Brandy/Tracy that he made it back. They will not tell you and will have destroyed any evidence; but their initial statements indicated such.

Tie that in with RJ statements and Martin was near the residence if he needed safety.
 

lotus503

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I don't know what GZ was thinking either.
Nor do I have any evidence to clue me into whatever GZ may or may not have been thinking.

The only evidence I do have is that TM was on top of GZ and that interaction resulted in injuries to GZ. Therefor I must conclude self-defesne.

This I agree with

doesn't mean we can discuss things outside of that scope though.
 
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