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Zebo

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Nope I dont post much anymore. Computer upgrades dont do much these days nothing to talk about really.
 

Darkman

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Or watch it directly on YouTube .. HERE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sL2f0PoqME

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I see that YouTube uploader has 2 freshly posted videos ... from the same guy ... from 7 hours ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCDvmv3RkmY - No Hope; No Change For The Blacks Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUo5t8s3-U - No Hope; No Change For Blacks Part 2
Hey .. I found the dude's original channel on YouTube .. this dude is great!

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/user/5723michael/videos

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Couple of his latest videos from there:

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Free George Zimmerman & leave Paula Deen alone

5723michael

Published on Jun 30, 2013
A few words for Youtube's girly boys Tuesday here
www.youtube.com/user/5723davidmichael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7IO-S2PeU8

(20:57)

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Trayvon Martin & N#gr0 Riots

5723michael

Published on Jul 9, 2013Video George Zimmerman & black low self-esteem here
www.youtube.com/user/5723davidmichael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxATnobG_Y8

(15:31)
 

Abwx

Lifer
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Where's the proof that TM punched GZ? On TM's fucking knuckles.

Lol...you are naive , and naive people in a jury are a blessing
for criminals who claims being innocents.

Of course , you wont be naive if the yet to be convicted
guy has not your skin color , as is often the case in the US.
 
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Zebo

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Lol...you are naive , and naive people in a jury are a blessing
for criminals who claims being innocents.

Of course , you wont be naive if the yet to be convicted
guy has your skin color , as is often the case in the US.

Yet we put more people in prison than anyone per capita whatever color.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prisoner_population_rate_world_2012_map.png

Don't worry about our system, our system is already too harsh on accused and we have way to many laws that can put you in prison. But in this case there was no proof law was broken.
 
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Ns1

No Lifer
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Lol...you are naive , and naive people in a jury are a blessing
for criminals who claims being innocents.

All I ask is proof and you have provided none.

I don't give a fuck at all about race. It's about right to self defense.
 

Abwx

Lifer
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You never prove any of your hypotheticals. Problem is, in our system, facts must support a claim beyond a reasonable doubt that so and so acted such a way. So ponder away. I claim UFO's captured Zimmerman took over his mind and made him shoot.

I stayed in the field of reasonable possibility...

Anyway , Florida law is too advantageous to murderers
when there s no precise witnesses , that is , the murderer
will be systematicaly given the benefit of the doubt as the
burden of proof is on the deads shoulders , a total nonsense ,
a complete reversal of the usual way to instruct such a problem.

There is about 36 so called justifiable murders per year
in this retarded state , i wonder how much is the rate
for others US states.
 

Zebo

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I stayed in the field of reasonable possibility...

Anyway , Florida law is too advantageous to murderers
when there s no precise witnesses , that is , the murderer
will be systematicaly given the benefit of the doubt as the
burden of proof is on the deads shoulders , a total nonsense ,
a complete reversal of the usual way to instruct such a problem.

There is about 36 so called justifiable murders per year
in this retarded state , i wonder how much is the rate
for others US states.

I agree. Early in this thread I said that no duty retreat law was stupid. But this case is about self defense since zimmerman, by evidence presented, could not escape. How to change that? At what point in a beating do you think someone can use deadly force?

I am open to suggestions. I hate that this kid got killed and wish to avoid crap like this.
 

Abwx

Lifer
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All I ask is proof and you have provided none.

I don't give a fuck at all about race. It's about right to self defense.

As i pointed the foolish state of florida puts the burden
of proof on the dead party...

I guess that whoever find himself embarked in such a story
will forcibly try to escape from life sentence , whatever
the truth about his supposed guiltiness.
 

TerryMathews

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As i pointed the foolish state of florida puts the burden
of proof on the state...

I guess that whoever find himself embarked in such a story
will forcibly try to escape from life sentence , whatever
the truth about his supposed guiltiness.

FTFY
 

Zebo

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As i pointed the foolish state of florida puts the burden
of proof on the dead party...

I guess that whoever find himself embarked in such a story
will forcibly try to escape from life sentence , whatever
the truth about his supposed guiltiness.

Justice is not perfect. In the end the law of self-defense is about reasonableness. If a person reasonably perceives a serious threat of harm, and uses force to meet that threat, the law justifies force and up to deadly force. If a DA or Jury agrees with that based on facts he's let go. Really man watch that Captain Alexis' testimony man he taught the self defense law and states clearly three possibility with examples. So yeah if you can concoct a story with evidence that jury believes is reasonable I you will be let go. Our system is setup also to let many guilty go free so less innocent get convinced with presumption of innocence. So state must prove you are full of it.
 

Abwx

Lifer
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I agree. Early in this thread I said that no duty retreat law was stupid. But this case is about self defense since zimmerman, by evidence presented, could not escape. How to change that? At what point in a beating do you think someone can use deadly force?

I am open to suggestions. I hate that this kid got killed and wish to avoid crap like this.

Frankly , i have no solutions when it comes to the US
because the cultural adoration of weapons is linked ,
wrong or right , to security , and this belief is deeply
entrenched in the USans psyché since the times of
west conquest.

Surely that places like Frisco which have the reputation
to be close to european standards would be capable
to accomodate firearms ban laws but we can be sure that
the , well , hillbillies and other southerners will make
it an existential issue and will derail any law well
before it s even proposed.

For the record , i doubt that your neighbouring Canada
has such permitive laws , yet , i v also no doubt that
it s not a country as violent as the US and surely
close to European standards.

Where i live , in France , homicide rate is 1.1 for 100 000 people ,
a high rate for Europe but still less than a quarter of the US one ,
so it makes no doubt that firearms kills more than they protect
in countries where they are legal.
 

Sea Ray

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You're an idiot.

So, you're basically saying that it's our fault people are racist bigots?

Did that make you feel better? Does it help to call someone who states the facts an idiot? Rather than blame others maybe you ought to consider why so many young black males are such a drag on society by committing so many violent crimes? As a member of society, I'm starting to get pissed that so many young males of your race are killing so many other blacks. It kills their neighborhoods. look at what it's done to Detroit? Any citizen with any sense moves out, ditto for business owners and what you're left with is a crime ridden area run by thugs.
 

Vic Vega

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Frankly , i have no solutions when it comes to the US
because the cultural adoration of weapons is linked ,
wrong or right , to security , and this belief is deeply
entrenched in the USans psyché since the times of
west conquest.

Surely that places like Frisco which have the reputation
to be close to european standards would be capable
to accomodate firearms ban laws but we can be sure that
the , well , hillbillies and other southerners will make
it an existential issue and will derail any law well
before it s even proposed.

For the record , i doubt that your neighbouring Canada
has such permitive laws , yet , i v also no doubt that
it s not a country as violent as the US and surely
close to European standards.

Where i live , in France , homicide rate is 1.1 for 100 000 people ,
a high rate for Europe but still less than a quarter of the US one ,
so it makes no doubt that firearms kills more than they protect
in countries where they are legal.

Remind me, how many days did Muslims riot in your streets burning cars, buildings and assaulting people? If you can't remember I can look it up.
 
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Abwx

Lifer
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Justice is not perfect. In the end the law of self-defense is about reasonableness. If a person reasonably perceives a serious threat of harm, and uses force to meet that threat, the law justifies force and up to deadly force. If a DA or Jury agrees with that based on facts he's let go. Really man watch that Captain Alexis' testimony man he taught the self defense law and states clearly three possibility with examples. So yeah if you can concoct a story with evidence that jury believes is reasonable I you will be let go. Our system is setup also to let many guilty go free so less innocent get convinced with presumption of innocence. So state must prove you are full of it.

I have no problem with a fundamental law that stipulate
innocence if guilt cant be proved and indeed even the much
decried Shariah clearly stipulate the preference to rather
innocent an actual xcriminal than condemning a real innocent.

That s for the principle but then normal people wont perform
wrongdoings so this part of the laws looks like it s it open
the possibility for a willfull murderer to be cleaned of any
accusation simply because he s the only survivor.

In short , an advice for eventual murderers , never
forget to achieve your victim with a preventive
coup de grace , one never knows , he might be
still alive even if he doesnt seems to breath anymore ,
hey , he could be even faking death...
 

Abwx

Lifer
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Remind me, how many days is Muslims riot in your streets burning cars, buildings and assaulting people? If you can't remember I can look it up.

Look it up , it will help you get rid of your prejudices...
and spare us OT from an obvious hater..
 

Vic Vega

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Look it up , it will help you get rid of your prejudices...
and spare us OT from an obvious hater..

You are a coward, liar and dishonest. You should be ashamed of yourself and despite what you post here, I know deep down that you are.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Frankly , i have no solutions when it comes to the US
because the cultural adoration of weapons is linked ,
wrong or right , to security , and this belief is deeply
entrenched in the USans psyché since the times of
west conquest.

Surely that places like Frisco which have the reputation
to be close to european standards would be capable
to accomodate firearms ban laws but we can be sure that
the , well , hillbillies and other southerners will make
it an existential issue and will derail any law well
before it s even proposed.

For the record , i doubt that your neighbouring Canada
has such permitive laws , yet , i v also no doubt that
it s not a country as violent as the US and surely
close to European standards.

Where i live , in France , homicide rate is 1.1 for 100 000 people ,
a high rate for Europe but still less than a quarter of the US one ,
so it makes no doubt that firearms kills more than they protect
in countries where they are legal.

London has gun bans and higher homicide rates than ever and comparable to any US city. You'll find homicide rates track "diversity" more than anything - gun or no gun. All you do by removing gun is allowing the more vicous bigger stronger people to rule streets with homicide rather than level playing field. Problem is tribalism. Is same problem for violence going on everywhere in ME to africa to USA sadly. IMO trayvon probably had a chip on his shoulder about whites same for zimmerman about blacks so instead "what can i do for you sir" "oh nothing I'm just neighborhood watch and wondering who you are" it became confrontational right off the bat and lead to a homicide. All this violence can be avoid with respect and decency to each other. Until that happens we are fucked. Gun or no gun.
 

Vic Vega

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Sep 24, 2010
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London has gun bans and higher homicide rates than ever and comparable to any US city. You'll find homicide rates track "diversity" more than anything - gun or no gun. All you do by removing gun is allowing the more vicous bigger stronger people to rule streets with homicide rather than level playing field. Problem is tribalism. Is same problem for violence going on everywhere in ME to africa to USA sadly. IMO trayvon probably had a chip on his shoulder about whites same for zimmerman about blacks so instead "what can i do for you sir" "oh nothing I'm just neighborhood watch and wondering who you are" it became confrontational right off the bat and lead to a homicide. All this violence can be avoid with respect and decency to each other. Until that happens we are fucked. Gun or no gun.

Don't bring logic and reason into this.
 

Abwx

Lifer
Apr 2, 2011
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You are a coward, liar and dishonest. You should be ashamed of yourself and despite what you post here, I know deep down that you are.

You know nothing else that your own mediocrity
and blatant racism as a consequence of your
inability to match people you re branding as inferior ,
sad destiny that the one of an unskilled supremacist.

What is left to haters is insults since they cant prove
their foolish points , i asked you , how many deads
during those so called riots..?..

Dare answer....if you can.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Yes he would. Testimony from doctors, eyewitness' and evidence seems to support TM was committing assault and battery upon Zimmerman. No way he would have been found not guilty otherwise but a murderer.

He was committing assault but he wasn't acting in self defense himself? Hmm...I don't see evidence to support that.
 

Wreckem

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London has gun bans and higher homicide rates than ever and comparable to any US city. You'll find homicide rates track "diversity" more than anything - gun or no gun. All you do by removing gun is allowing the more vicous bigger stronger people to rule streets with homicide rather than level playing field. Problem is tribalism. Is same problem for violence going on everywhere in ME to africa to USA sadly. IMO trayvon probably had a chip on his shoulder about whites same for zimmerman about blacks so instead "what can i do for you sir" "oh nothing I'm just neighborhood watch and wondering who you are" it became confrontational right off the bat and lead to a homicide. All this violence can be avoid with respect and decency to each other. Until that happens we are fucked. Gun or no gun.

O'rly? I think your stats are WAY off. London has high violent crime rate, but its homicide rate is really really low. IE: In London you are much less likely to be killed but much more likely to be mugged or raped.

London had its lowest murder rate in 42 years last year. In London and its boroughs there were only 89 homicides last year. NYC and its boroughs had over 400. Chi-town officially had 506 when the entirety of England and Wales only had 550. 722 for the entire UK. I mean heck my small city had 12 murders and a population of 212,000, meaning it had a little less than 6 murders per 100,000 people. London's rate is less than 1 per 100,000 people. The homicide rate of the US is much higher than the UK and the rest of Europe. PERIOD.
 
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