Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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EagleKeeper

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As i pointed the foolish state of florida puts the burden
of proof on the dead party...

I guess that whoever find himself embarked in such a story
will forcibly try to escape from life sentence , whatever
the truth about his supposed guiltiness.

The burden of proof is not on the dead party.

The presumption of innocence is on the person being charged.
It is up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, using what ever evidence/information that they have available and all their resources that the accused is guilty.

They were unable to do so.
The dead party is evidence; they are not on trial.
Their actions becomes evidence.
Information that may throw light on actions of the accused and dead party both can become evidence.
 

Doppel

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Georgie boy might be getting some money from Corey and the State of Florida if they keep on attacking him and calling him a murderer on TV after he has been acquitted...they have been going on TV shows and attacking GZ.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/prosecut...ew-claim-he-lacked-courage-to-take-the-stand/

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/0...-bernie-de-la-rionda-vinnie-politan-interview
Corey's comment is flirting with libel. If she weren't so damn hard-bodied and beautiful I'd not give her a pass on it.
 

EagleKeeper

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Five photos and an erratic map look flashy but this is largely
exagerated , just tell me , how much deads during thoses
so called riots..?..

How much damage?

The Muslims over here are not destroying communities!
 

DrPizza

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Corrections:
1. You can't sell firearms on ebay. (someone suggested that above)

2. Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Constitution doesn't say jury "of your peers."
Not sure where that comes from; I think it might be the Magna Carta? DVC can probably chime in on this.
 

VVV

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The parents are just that, nothing more nothing less. TM was his own man. The other important part of TM's character is that he was big into street fighting, as proven by his numerous txts dicussing his wins/losses and desires to see oppenents bleed more. Doesn't mean anything more than that TM had a propensity for fighting, but it does play an important role in what he considered regarding GZ as a threat and or victim and his ability to handle it. Whether he saw GZ as a victim or threat, unlikely he would have called cops regardless.

At 17 you can hardly call anyone, anyone his own man. He is what he is and a big part of that is from family values. If his parents don't know that theirs son is big in street fighting and likely will get into trouble because of that then they are teaching the FAILURE of parenting.

I don't blame Treyvon as much cause I have seen many struggle teenagers. Some made out, some don't. The one who made it out are usually the one who had a better influence from family (they are mostly bad because of friends, gangs etc).

Confrontation, fights even shoot out like this happen every second in US. However, the very unfortunate ending and the never ending racial tension will just bring it as a pretext to surface other problems then its fundamental problem.

The sad thing is media and people embrace it very quickly...
 

HumblePie

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At 17 you can hardly call anyone, anyone his own man. He is what he is and a big part of that is from family values. If his parents don't know that theirs son is big in street fighting and likely will get into trouble because of that then they are teaching the FAILURE of parenting.

I don't blame Treyvon as much cause I have seen many struggle teenagers. Some made out, some don't. The one who made it out are usually the one who had a better influence from family (they are mostly bad because of friends, gangs etc).

Confrontation, fights even shoot out like this happen every second in US. However, the very unfortunate ending and the never ending racial tension will just bring it as a pretext to surface other problems then its fundamental problem.

The sad thing is media and people embrace it very quickly...

With that first sentence I have to say a big FUCK YOU!

Tell that to every serviceman that signed up at 17 to fight and potentially die for their country. At 17 you are a MAN capable of making life long decisions. To categorize people as unable to do so at that age pisses me off to no end.
 
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With that first sentence I have to say a big FUCK YOU!

Tell that to every serviceman that signed up at 17 to fight and potentially die for their country. At 17 you are a MAN capable of making life long decisions. To categorize people as unable to do so at that age pisses me off to no end.



Huge +17.



17 is a man by his choices.

Such as choosing to BRUTALLY attack an innocent person and smash their head on the ground. Big boy decisions, big boy repercussions.
 

Druidx

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Just saw a interview with Rev. Jackson, he compared TM with Medgar Evers.
I couldn't decide if I should laugh or throw up.
 

fskimospy

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With that first sentence I have to say a big FUCK YOU!

Tell that to every serviceman that signed up at 17 to fight and potentially die for their country. At 17 you are a MAN capable of making life long decisions. To categorize people as unable to do so at that age pisses me off to no end.

Not according to the law you aren't; joining the military at 17 requires parental consent. If you were a man fully capable of making lifelong decisions at that point parental consent would not be required.
 

HumblePie

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Not according to the law you aren't; joining the military at 17 requires parental consent. If you were a man fully capable of making lifelong decisions at that point parental consent would not be required.

No it doesn't. I joined at 17 without consent. I was living on my own and trying to do college on my own.
 
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Not according to the law you aren't; joining the military at 17 requires parental consent. If you were a man fully capable of making lifelong decisions at that point parental consent would not be required.



There are certain legal situations where someone that age would be considered an adult based upon their actions.


Had he lived, good ole angela corey would've likely charged him as an adult with assault with a deadly weapon.
 

Attic

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At 17 you can hardly call anyone, anyone his own man. He is what he is and a big part of that is from family values. If his parents don't know that theirs son is big in street fighting and likely will get into trouble because of that then they are teaching the FAILURE of parenting.

I don't blame Treyvon as much cause I have seen many struggle teenagers. Some made out, some don't. The one who made it out are usually the one who had a better influence from family (they are mostly bad because of friends, gangs etc).

Confrontation, fights even shoot out like this happen every second in US. However, the very unfortunate ending and the never ending racial tension will just bring it as a pretext to surface other problems then its fundamental problem.

The sad thing is media and people embrace it very quickly...

Fair points. But by 17 there are some things, many important, that are simply out of the control of many parents. I get that really involved parents, and honest/insightful parents would see the issues TM was having and perhaps found a way to resolve them.

TM's folks were struggling for their own livelihoods and it was a broken family. I get if they were better parents TM may have not been into Street Fighting, theft, truancy, but it's no guarantee either and I don't expect any parent to be close to perfect in raising a child.

Either way a worthwhile discussion on that front, but it's mostly acceptance of things out of ones control is where I sit at the moment regarding TM's folks responsiblity for TM's choices prior to and leading up the night TM was killed.
 

HumblePie

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The defacto for military joining today is with parental consent at 17. Wasn't before. And even now that isn't a hard and fast rule. A 17 year old still living as a "dependent" needs parental consent. If you aren't a dependent then you don't need it.

It's more legal wrangling than anything. Either way, once you are joined, you are making all your life long decisions AT 17 from that point on. Mommy and Daddy aren't signing parental consent forms any more any time you are required to be deployed in some hostile area. Nice strawman though.
 
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Am I alone on this, or is the Media worse now than it was before he was found not guilty?



FAR worse.




I've heard that LA, chicago, atlanta have seen violent riots and looting today... This is from some kid at the office who trolls local topix forums.

Apparently the violent racist rioting is going underreported... Wonder why...
 

VVV

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With that first sentence I have to say a big FUCK YOU!

Tell that to every serviceman that signed up at 17 to fight and potentially die for their country. At 17 you are a MAN capable of making life long decisions. To categorize people as unable to do so at that age pisses me off to no end.

Sign up to a service does not mean anything other than you choose a path. It's like someone decides to go to school etc. And you can agree with me or not, this choice is heavily influenced by family values, by they way you were brought up.

So if you think that parenting is not important, just let your kid go and magically, at 17, he or she will become her/his own man ?

You truly believe that 17 is fully mature then why 18 or 21 legal age ?

I said Treyvon is what he is and his parents are big part of it. If you think that's an insult to service men or women than you lost me.

By the way, you sound scary tough
 

exdeath

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There should be riots alright. Against the liberal media, prosecutor, and everyone above them who made an ordeal out of nothing.
 
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