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soundforbjt

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Oh I see, 17 year olds only use whiffle bats when they violently assault people?


He was a 6' thug, with hoodie on in deep cover.


Just shoot him and move on with it.






You picked the wrong cherub.

And you have probably picked the wrong white CCW holder to defend in the Jordan Davis thread. :biggrin:
 

corwin

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Dixycrat dropped this in the Hume thread, sadly it only slightly exaggerates what the media has been portraying...
 

LTC8K6

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Eric Holder on TV.......

Has he remembered that the FBI investigated GZ for racism already?

Has he read the M2 affidavit, which doesn't mention racism or hate?

Has he read the trial transcript, where I think the only racist comment on record was from Trayvon?
 

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Fair points. But by 17 there are some things, many important, that are simply out of the control of many parents. I get that really involved parents, and honest/insightful parents would see the issues TM was having and perhaps found a way to resolve them.

TM's folks were struggling for their own livelihoods and it was a broken family. I get if they were better parents TM may have not been into Street Fighting, theft, truancy, but it's no guarantee either and I don't expect any parent to be close to perfect in raising a child.

Either way a worthwhile discussion on that front, but it's mostly acceptance of things out of ones control is where I sit at the moment regarding TM's folks responsiblity for TM's choices prior to and leading up the night TM was killed.

I can understand that life is much harder in some part of the country and it's easier to judge from the outside. However, they way they react to his killing gave me the vibe of responsibility denial. It was almost delusional if you listen to their plea.

Again, they lost their son and I will never be able to fully feel that pain. But I still think that the real problem is never discussed in this case. Worst, it is used to stir up other problems.
 

2timer

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There should be riots alright. Against the liberal media, prosecutor, and everyone above them who made an ordeal out of nothing.

Why would conservative whites riot against the system when it's stacked in their favor? I thought you had no sense before, but now I'm pretty sure.
 

exdeath

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Why would conservative whites riot against the system when it's stacked in their favor? I thought you had no sense before, but now I'm pretty sure.

Because a guy was run through the ringer by a white guilt liberal media and government because he looked white.
 

corwin

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Of course there is, GZ is free isn't he? Doubt Dunn will ever be, he's up for muder one, bail was denied, money for his defense has been denied, is there a thread for his support @ CTH ?
First GZ isn't white, second he was truly innocent according to facts and evidence...so far nothing is really pointing to Dunn being innocent and certainly nothing near the certainty that we had here. So you can blindly try to equate the two but they are entirely different situations with entirely different facts.

And I have no idea what is at CTH, my guess would be you visit there more often than I do, which has been never
 

2timer

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Because a guy was run through the ringer by a white guilt liberal media and government because he looked white.

Run through the ringer? LOL. Poor f***ing George! Trayvon Martin is DEAD. Now this douche bag walks away and you feel sorry for him? You're funny.
 

soundforbjt

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First GZ isn't white, second he was truly innocent according to facts and evidence...so far nothing is really pointing to Dunn being innocent and certainly nothing near the certainty that we had here. So you can blindly try to equate the two but they are entirely different situations with entirely different facts.

And I have no idea what is at CTH, my guess would be you visit there more often than I do, which has been never

That's why I asked if there's a thread @ CTH, I don't know, figured that some in this thread that frequent there would know. But I do know, Humble, Spidey and Spatial are in that thread trying to claim he'll get off on the murder charge.
 

Tom

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As far as I'm concerned I agree with O'Mara's press conference statements that there's no evidence Zimmerman's actions had anything to do with race.

And I expect he would have reported to police if everything else he observed was the same no matter what the race of the person was.

I still think that he acted hastily and recklessly, but I don't have a problem with the verdict saying he isn't criminally liable.
 

corwin

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Run through the ringer? LOL. Poor f***ing George! Trayvon Martin is DEAD. Now this douche bag walks away and you feel sorry for him? You're funny.
Any time an innocent man is forced into court it's a travesty of justice, especially when the verdict was clear from the start. TM is dead by his own actions and from the looks of things he probably would have been either dead or in jail before long anyway
That's why I asked if there's a thread @ CTH, I don't know, figured that some in this thread that frequent there would know. But I do know, Humble, Spidey and Spatial are in that thread trying to claim he'll get off on the murder charge.
Oh, well I can't provide any clue to things there...and from what I've heard there's almost nothing to back up Dunn's story, so if it is true he's screwed but there's nothing to back it up...personally I don't buy it.
 

TerryMathews

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As far as I'm concerned I agree with O'Mara's press conference statements that there's no evidence Zimmerman's actions had anything to do with race.

And I expect he would have reported to police if everything else he observed was the same no matter what the race of the person was.

I still think that he acted hastily and recklessly, but I don't have a problem with the verdict saying he isn't criminally liable.

Its scary that you and I agree on something, but you're dead on with this.

Your second paragraph is especially important, we know that it's accurate. Zimmerman called the NEN on all races.
 

2timer

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Any time an innocent man is forced into court it's a travesty of justice, especially when the verdict was clear from the start. TM is dead by his own actions and from the looks of things he probably would have been either dead or in jail before long anyway

This is your opinion, not fact. There's a difference.
 

2timer

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Its scary that you and I agree on something, but you're dead on with this.

Your second paragraph is especially important, we know that it's accurate. Zimmerman called the NEN on all races.

Well, at least you admit this. I'm slightly consoled by the fact that he'll be dragged into another lengthy civil court battle. And probably lose.

Matter fact, George Zimmerman will probably end up like OJ. Except he'll just be a plain loser, not an ex-athlete.
 

corwin

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This is your opinion, not fact. There's a difference.
By almost every legal expert's opinion it was a fact it was clear from the start, by bypassing the grand jury the prosecution knew it too, and by the trial jury's verdict it's a fact TM is dead by his own actions...so what part is so hard for you to come to grips with?
 

soundforbjt

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Any time an innocent man is forced into court it's a travesty of justice, especially when the verdict was clear from the start. TM is dead by his own actions and from the looks of things he probably would have been either dead or in jail before long anyway

Oh, well I can't provide any clue to things there...and from what I've heard there's almost nothing to back up Dunn's story, so if it is true he's screwed but there's nothing to back it up...personally I don't buy it.

Would you clarify what you mean? You don't buy Dunn's story?
 

Doppel

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The prosecutors are continuing to attack GZ, continuing to re-try the case in public.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/prosecut...ew-claim-he-lacked-courage-to-take-the-stand/

Well, at least you admit this. I'm slightly consoled by the fact that he'll be dragged into another lengthy civil court battle. And probably lose.

Matter fact, George Zimmerman will probably end up like OJ. Except he'll just be a plain loser, not an ex-athlete.

I am cleansed by your tears. The logical fallacy of "you can't prove it and so my inane theory is equally valid" continues to impress.
 

Tom

Lifer
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Its scary that you and I agree on something, but you're dead on with this.

Your second paragraph is especially important, we know that it's accurate. Zimmerman called the NEN on all races.

Sometimes, maybe a lot my posts, are about me looking at counter-arguments and seeing things from different points of view, particularly in threads where I see them being ignored or dismissed.
 

2timer

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By almost every legal expert's opinion it was a fact it was clear from the start, by bypassing the grand jury the prosecution knew it too, and by the trial jury's verdict it's a fact TM is dead by his own actions...so what part is so hard for you to come to grips with?

"Almost every"? So that means that 9/10 legal experts said what, the verdict was "clear from the start"? Hmmm, that's interesting, never heard that "statistic" before. I guess you have the 9/10 legal experts opinions handy to make that claim. Go ahead and post them - I'm waiting.
 
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