Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[werepossum]

Man you really are stupid.

A) immunity in Florida from criminal and civil prosecution.

B) double jeopardy.

You can't appeal a not guilty.

The state can always appeal a not guilty verdict. However, they would need either new evidence or procedural errors that an appellate considers might well have changed the verdict. I very much doubt we'll see an appeal.

Lol I'm butthurt for disagreeing with the description of the attack and the lack of evidence to support such a description?

This is what a vicious attack looks like:

SNIP
One of those doesn't look like the other.


Don't bother responding though, I wouldn't want to you to be called butthurt.

Seems like a pretty good reason to carry a pistol, no?

It's pretty hard to ignore that the proggie position is that if one can physically defend oneself, one does not have the right of self defense. Personally I find that insane - although sadly not surprising.

LMAO, his injuries are not the result of what I said, they were the result of a fight. But.. .just go back and read previous posts

Possibly, but what you guys don't seem to understand is that there is no evidence of a fight. There is evidence of an assault; Martin had injuries consistent with attacking only, Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being attacked only. There MIGHT have been a fight, but one cannot simply attack another person and have it be considered a fight. And in our legal system, one should rightly only be convicted according to the evidence, not by what MIGHT have happened. This is not the Napoleonic Code; Americans are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

 

[TerryMathews]

"Almost every"? So that means that 9/10 legal experts said what, the verdict was "clear from the start"? Hmmm, that's interesting, never heard that "statistic" before. I guess you have the 9/10 legal experts opinions handy to make that claim. Go ahead and post them - I'm waiting.

Let's crowdsource it:
1) Alan Derschowitz
2) DVC

 

[IGBT]

the only reason this case went to trial is the early on politicization by the obama. Your obama was wrong..again.

 

[corwin]

Would you clarify what you mean? You don't buy Dunn's story?

Nope, he may have felt threatened by them from his own paranoia and they probably threatened him for being an ass to them but i don't think they had a gun...nor did it rise to the level of shooting at them. I haven't looked into it since early on though since it was pretty clear he is guilty...

"Almost every"? So that means that 9/10 legal experts said what, the verdict was "clear from the start"? Hmmm, that's interesting, never heard that "statistic" before. I guess you have the 9/10 legal experts opinions handy to make that claim. Go ahead and post them - I'm waiting.

LOL...you're a clown. More legal experts that weighed in on this issue found the defense position pretty clearly winning, unless of course you isolate yourself to only reading opinions that agree with your own, sounds like you're one of those "head in the sand" kind of people that only look for affirmation of your own bias.

 

[Soundmanred]

do you enjoy looking stupid. The prosecution own expect witness testified gz head injuries where consistent with striking cement. A little information would go a long way here.

but did the jurie actualy existed sir?!

 

[werepossum]

I asked the wifey, she says 3.5" difference is a lot. I didn't ask her to be more specific.

LOL

An old JAG colleague of mine just posted this on her Facebook feed, and it says it all.

LMAO

Another thing is I dont like Zimmerman or his actions. I agree with all that wanna be cop stuff and if you cant defend yourself bodily you have no business playing tough guy. I don't even know who throw first punch. But my opinion means nothing because law says you have right to self defense based on criteria that was met. Law also says presumption of innocence for the accused. And barring proof Zimmerman acted unlawfully I must acquit.

Exactly.

 

[corwin]

but did the jurie actualy existed sir?!

I'm missing the funny

 

[Doppel]

Deedee is on CNN tonight with Piers at 9:00.

 

[LTC8K6]

The state can always appeal a not guilty verdict. However, they would need either new evidence or procedural errors that an appellate considers might well have changed the verdict. I very much doubt we'll see an appeal.

The state absolutely cannot appeal a not guilty verdict. The state gets one chance, and that's it.

 

[HumblePie]

That's why I asked if there's a thread @ CTH, I don't know, figured that some in this thread that frequent there would know. But I do know, Humble, Spidey and Spatial are in that thread trying to claim he'll get off on the murder charge.

Bull shit. I never said Dunn was not guilty. I said specifically his second "volley" of shots, even if the first volley is someone how deemed justified, is still going to land his ass in prison. Dunn WILL serve jail time for that at the very least. Which if the prosecution can tie that second volley of shots to the death of Davis, then Dunn will be serving for manslaughter. That is my prediction. I've stated Dunn is fucked, but for proper legal reasons and evidence, not the same rampant speculation that happened in this case.

 

[werepossum]

His face didn't look beaten because he had a fucking gun to defend himself. God didn't make people equal, smith & Wesson did.

Well said.

Yup times have changed. Sadly.

Kids will kill you they have gotten way more violent with curb stomping and what not. And people will shoot you.

I miss 1970s. When a fight was a just a fight and youd shake hands after its over.

Another thing that pisses me off is this ganging up I see in videos. Like 5 on 1. That was not even considered back in the day you were a punk if you did that.

Quite true, unfortunately.

O'rly? I think your stats are WAY off. London has high violent crime rate, but its homicide rate is really really low. IE: In London you are much less likely to be killed but much more likely to be mugged or raped.

London had its lowest murder rate in 42 years last year. In London and its boroughs there were only 89 homicides last year. NYC and its boroughs had over 400. Chi-town officially had 506 when the entirety of England and Wales only had 550. 722 for the entire UK. I mean heck my small city had 12 murders and a population of 212,000, meaning it had a little less than 6 murders per 100,000 people. London's rate is less than 1 per 100,000 people. The homicide rate of the US is much higher than the UK and the rest of Europe. PERIOD.

That was my understanding as well. Personally I'd rather be the nation with the freedom of effective self defense, even given the side effect of wanton violence.

 

[werepossum]

The state absolutely cannot appeal a not guilty verdict. The state gets one chance, and that's it.

I'll let DVC or Wolfe give an informed answer, but it's my understanding that the state can certainly appeal a not guilty verdict IFF they can show a valid reason why the first trial should be vacated. It's seldom seen because the bar is so much higher for the state than for the defendant.

 

[2timer]

LOL...you're a clown. More legal experts that weighed in on this issue found the defense position pretty clearly winning, unless of course you isolate yourself to only reading opinions that agree with your own, sounds like you're one of those "head in the sand" kind of people that only look for affirmation of your own bias.

LOL. Move the goal posts again, pal! You're a real class act.

 

[echo4747]

Deedee is on CNN tonight with Piers at 9:00.

For somebody that wanted NOTHING to do with this case....

Funny what the wiff of some $$$ will do
wonder if mom gave her permission?

 

[LTC8K6]

I'll let DVC or Wolfe give an informed answer, but it's my understanding that the state can certainly appeal a not guilty verdict IFF they can show a valid reason why the first trial should be vacated. It's seldom seen because the bar is so much higher for the state than for the defendant.

The State is done, except for something very strange, like finding out the jury was bribed. It would have to be something that essentially means the whole trial itself was invalid, so it's like the trial never happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy#United_States

As for the Feds charging GZ with murder, they have no jurisdiction that I can see in this case.

As for a civil trial in Florida, it seems GZ is immune by Florida law.

As for a Federal Civil Rights charge, that's a very long stretch in the first place, given that GZ was not acting under color of law or the like, and it's an even longer stretch, given the racism investigation that was already conducted.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'll let DVC or Wolfe give an informed answer, but it's my understanding that the state can certainly appeal a not guilty verdict IFF they can show a valid reason why the first trial should be vacated. It's seldom seen because the bar is so much higher for the state than for the defendant.

Negative. They can appeal certain case-dispositive rulings of the trial court prior to the conclusion of the case, but an acquittal by a jury cannot be appealed.

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm you all you can come up with an example like this from your town because it happens everywhere but here's one from my home town where someone was beaten to death and the perpetrators got minimal punishment:

Pat Mahaney, severely beaten last August in North College Hill by a group of teens who said they were “bored,” died Friday after a sudden illness Wednesday, his brother, Michael Mahaney said.
Mahaney’s brother Jeff said the North College Hill man was so affected by the beating that he neglected his own health.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130713/NEWS/307120191/North-College-Hill-bored-beating-victim-dies-cause-unknown?nclick_check=1

This guy just died over the weekend having been beaten by 5 black youths in this area of northern Cincinnati. Since they were juveniles, they've been dealt with very lightly. Now that this victim has died, anyone think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Eric Holder will say a word about it?

 

[LTC8K6]

Plus, there's the possibility that GZ was actually immune under FL law from the trial he was just put through...

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

 

[Doppel]

Negative. They can appeal certain case-dispositive rulings of the trial court prior to the conclusion of the case, but an acquittal by a jury cannot be appealed.

1) what if defendant subsequently admits to the charge?
2) what prevents the state from continually (legally I mean, pr be damned) throwing new charges over and over? E.g. 1st degree then next 3rd over and over? This ties into first: I assume if defendant does subsequently admit to the original charge they could at least be charged with perjury
3) if the judge acquits before conclusion of trial state can try again. I assume MOM considered this when he asked for an acquittal...

 

[Zebo]

I dont see how this can go to civil trial. Unlike OJ GZ was ruled self defense since it's a or b when you admit to shooting someone. The not guilty verdict assumes justifiable homicide and therefore under Floridian law cant be sued.

Maybe DVC can clear this up.


Maybe Federal?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Plus, there's the possibility that GZ was actually immune under FL law from the trial he was just put through...

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

Not really, in that his counsel affirmatively chose to waive a pre-trial immunity hearing. Even if he is later granted immunity it would not retroactively immunize him against the trial he already underwent.

 

[corwin]

LOL. Move the goal posts again, pal! You're a real class act.

That's rich coming from you champ Having read news and opinions from a variety of news sources of all slants I can say it was a majority, if you care to prove me wrong then pull your head out of the sand and try to compile a thorough listing...we'll all be waiting for your empirical evidence

 

[corwin]

Not really, in that his counsel affirmatively chose to waive a pre-trial immunity hearing. Even if he is later granted immunity it would not retroactively immunize him against the trial he already underwent.

I think he was trying to say GZ would probably be immune from future civil proceedings under that law since he was found innocent at this trial...I think it should apply but IANAL like you

 

[Zebo]

DVC was there even probable cause in this case to arrest let alone try? No evidence presented ever showed force that was used was unlawful or countered his story. He should get immunity easy.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

1) what if defendant subsequently admits to the charge?
2) what prevents the state from continually (legally I mean, pr be damned) throwing new charges over and over? E.g. 1st degree then next 3rd over and over? This ties into first: I assume if defendant does subsequently admit to the original charge they could at least be charged with perjury
3) if the judge acquits before conclusion of trial state can try again. I assume MOM considered this when he asked for an acquittal...

1) It doesn't matter. He still can't be retried.
2) A new charge can only be brought if it includes an element the previous charge did not (i.e, it is effectively a higher or materially different charge). Here, he was charged with the most severe offense the facts could possibly support, and the state can't later bring a lesser charge, like third-degree murder, because their elements include the same elements as second-degree murder, minus a narrower intent element for second-degree. This would also bar an assault or battery charge. The federal government is its own sovereign and could hypothetically bring charges, but I feel it would be a waste of time and resources.
3) In this instance jeopardy would attach and no new case could be brought.