Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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MH2007

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"If and when we pick a jury"...she may be betting on him taking a pre-trial plea deal and not actually having to go to trial...

More likely she realizes Zimmerman will be trying to prove self defense in front of a judge to obtain immunity from prosecution, not sure if that would happen before jury selection but it would make sense.
 

classy

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Excuse... are you trying to get another infraction or vacation time? When did I EVER say he was "ghetto stomped" in this or any thread?

Where have I ever stated my die hard belief that Zimmerman was innocent? When have I done anything other than play devil's advocate, for both sides I might add, or point out nothing but logical fallacies and inconsistencies in the information shown in this thread? Well except for that one post where you finally tried my patience enough with your misquoting me several times in a row and said something I shouldn't have.

Still, you are now trying to again attribute something I never said to me. Time for another report.

Where did you read I said you said he ghetto stomped anyone?
 

lotus503

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Excuse... are you trying to get another infraction or vacation time? When did I EVER say he was "ghetto stomped" in this or any thread?

Where have I ever stated my die hard belief that Zimmerman was innocent? When have I done anything other than play devil's advocate, for both sides I might add, or point out nothing but logical fallacies and inconsistencies in the information shown in this thread? Well except for that one post where you finally tried my patience enough with your misquoting me several times in a row and said something I shouldn't have.

Still, you are now trying to again attribute something I never said to me. Time for another report.

I have read your posts where you expressed serious doubt of charges being filed.

I havent seen you use the term Ghetto stomp, but Classy just stated that, didnt say you said it.

You while while not a virulent Zimmerman supporter have no doubt been a Zimmerman supporter.
 

Zebo

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As I sit here I'm actually sort of flabberghasted... I'd love to know what the prosecutor in this trial is going to lay out as the supposed scenario that justifies 2nd degree murder?

I mean it seems very clear from the available info that Z didn't plan to ever actually come into direct contact with T, didn't want to kill anyone, deeply regrets having to, was being beaten and got jumped... he has the injuries, he has the eyewitness who saw him being beaten and screaming for help...

how can it possibly be anything other than self-defense?

Easy. If zimmer provoked it. No powder burns on Travon body indicating long distance shot. No grass on Travon indicating no tussle. Much evidence we don't know.
 

Geosurface

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Easy. If zimmer provoked it. No powder burns on Travon body indicating long distance shot. No grass on Travon indicating no tussle. Much evidence we don't know.

Well if hard scientific evidence comes out showing that he killed Trayvon when he didn't need to, or outside the legal bounds of self-defense, I'll gladly come here and do a complete admission of stupidity before you all.
 

BUTCH1

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He'll take a plea deal. You watch. He'll get 5-10 years.

I agree, probably plea to 1st manslaughter, 15-20 yrs. If your Z's lawyer do you really want a jury to hear "these assholes always get away"?Moreover, however the fight started Z set in motion the events by following T and doing so armed, this kind of result is the main reason PD's do not encourage intervention with a person you consider suspicious, even more so armed with a 9mm..
 

soundforbjt

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The witness John stated that Martin was beating up Zimmerman while on top of him, pretty unambiguous that's more than one punch.

Apparently, there's much more to it than the brief few seconds John saw. Maybe when he said he was calling the police, he (TM) stopped...got off of Z and Z shot him. Just guessing.
 

MH2007

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Well there is several things I'll go out on limb and say. Trayvon's autopsy was clean and I bet it showed that Trayvon's body didn't show signs of this great struggle. 2nd, two witnesses have come forward and stated that the two were in the grass and the latest has said Zimmerman was on top when the shot was fired. I am willing bet that the last witness is the one who sealed the deal.

You don't know the autopsy results, the funeral director said his body was clean but that's not a forensic analysis. Even if it was "clean" that would only indicate Martin was winning the fight which would be consistent with Zimmerman's account.

As far as the grass Zimmerman's brother said that George struggled and was able to move from the concrete to the grass to avoid permanent damage to his head, showing great restraint in the process.

The interpretation that the CNN witness said Zimmerman was on top when the shot was fired was an overstatement by Ashleigh Banfield that she has since backed off from. If you listen to the 911 call from that witness you would realize that this is not a reliable witness and really did not see anywhere near as much as some are making out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg
 

micrometers

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If he gets 3 years, I'll be happy. He is a thug. Trayvon was a bony 6'3 teenager. I bet if Trayvon had been 6'3 250 he would not have chased him down even with a gun. This guy is a punk.

I would like to see a trial, not a plea deal. This of course is the bloodthirsty spectator in me talking.

If I'm being honest, a plea deal appears to be the logical outcome. Zimmerman sounds like he's broken and doesn't have the stomach for a trial.
 

Geosurface

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I really hope Z won't do a plea deal. I want to see a trial, I want to see all the evidence, and I do not think he is guilty of anything. It's not right for a man to serve time for no crime.
 

lotus503

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Well if hard scientific evidence comes out showing that he killed Trayvon when he didn't need to, or outside the legal bounds of self-defense, I'll gladly come here and do a complete admission of stupidity before you all.

just need proof beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction. Not your over stipulated requirements.
 

Paul98

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I am glad to see this second degree murder charge. Give a jury a chance to see if he is guilty or innocent.
 

soundforbjt

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You don't know the autopsy results, the funeral director said his body was clean but that's not a forensic analysis. Even if it was "clean" that would only indicate Martin was winning the fight which would be consistent with Zimmerman's account.

As far as the grass Zimmerman's brother said that George struggled and was able to move from the concrete to the grass to avoid permanent damage to his head, showing great restraint in the process.

The interpretation that the CNN witness said Zimmerman was on top when the shot was fired was an overstatement by Ashleigh Banfield that she has since backed off from. If you listen to the 911 call from that witness you would realize that this is not a reliable witness and really did not see anywhere near as much as some are making out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg

Obviously the real evidence shows Zimmerman is probably lying, since that's the only evidence his brother is repeating.
 

MH2007

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link?

what was outrageous was that he was not arrested and held that night.

Since if he had wanted to, he very well could have fled the country.

If it's so outrageous that he was not held that night why did it take Corey three weeks to bring charges? And it's clear that Zimmerman didn't want to flee the country, he cooperated with the police every step of the way in an investigation that Corey commended. He hid for his safety and eventually turned himself in.
 

Geosurface

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Here's a key two part question everyone here should ask themselves:

If this case hadn't gained national attention would Zimmerman have been charged?

Is there any evidence available now that wasn't available before?
 

lotus503

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Here's a key two part question everyone here should ask themselves:

If this case hadn't gained national attention would Zimmerman have been charged?

Is there any evidence available now that wasn't available before?

Probably yes to both, Corey said the investigation was ongoing when they took it over.

I am sure they have evidence we don't.
 

BUTCH1

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Make sure to donate to http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com. He needs all the help from the lynch mob he can get.

I know he's a democrat, but we can make an exception and help him out. It's likely he's seen the light now. You know what they say, a republican is a liberal who got jumped and had his head smashed in and was able to defend himself with lethal force.

Lynch mob my ass, we never know how these will pan out, who the hell ever thought Casey would walk but she did. We were convinced OJ was going down but nope, he walked, so no one knows at this point what will happen here, Think I'll Paypal Z $.10 for my own amusement...
 

MH2007

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I doubt that. He saw a moment of the fight and from a distance.

He saw more of the fight than anyone else we know of. He was close enough to speak to Martin and observe that Zimmerman was in red and that he was the one yelling for help.

The witness John stated that Martin was beating up Zimmerman while on top of him, pretty unambiguous that's more than one punch.
 

Geosurface

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Lynch mob my ass, we never know how these will pan out, who the hell ever thought Casey would walk but she did. We were convinced OJ was going down but nope, he walked, so no one knows at this point what will happen here, Think I'll Paypal Z $.10 for my own amusement...

Wouldn't that be the height of absurdity if two clearly guilty people (O.J. and Casey) got off, while an innocent man did time? I do believe Zimmerman is completely innocent. I reserve the right to change my tune, but it's going to take some pretty counter-intuitive, wild evidence to convince me he, in any way, acted out of malice and an actual desire to kill.
 

micrometers

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If it's so outrageous that he was not held that night why did it take Corey three weeks to bring charges? And it's clear that Zimmerman didn't want to flee the country, he cooperated with the police every step of the way in an investigation that Corey commended. He hid for his safety and eventually turned himself in.

I'm talking about a law that lets someone shoot someone else and then go home the same night.
 
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