when you point a gun at someones chest and fire its an attempt to kill them. Self defense was what zimmerman claimed. The SA seems to think it was murder 2 and the SA has all the evidence.
You're still posting this crap? When it is self defense, the desire is to live. You cannot prove his intentions, only what has been said.
when you point a gun at someones chest and fire its an attempt to kill them. Self defense was what zimmerman claimed. The SA seems to think it was murder 2 and the SA has all the evidence.
And I am in no way talking about what the courts will prove, I am talking about Lotus' posts where he states things as facts handed down to him by some divine power. He knows as much as the rest of us, which is to say that Zimmerman is saying self defense, and that Corey did what everyone expected (as it is well documented she very often will go ahead with charges) and charges Zimmerman with 2nd degree (that is to say, not premeditated.)
Anyone who posts in here saying stuff like "his intent was to kill" or "he is guilty" are posting their own speculation. Nothing more.
Do you think that if you have someone on top of you beating you, and they try to take your gun, and threaten your life verbally... and you manage to gain control of it and fire at them, do you really think you're in the state of mind to have intentions like "I hereby desire that this shot kill this individual" or do you think it's more like just a primal "make them stop" kind of thing?
Do you think in a situation like that you can aim for the heart? or spine? or do you think that's probably just where it happened to hit?
And what word are you gonna take? The dead mans word?
C'mon. Hard to get any other evidence if NO ONE SAW anything and the person that got shot can't tell his side of the story. It's been this way for years. They even tell you if your going to shoot a robber in your home make sure you shoot to kill so he can't sue you in court later.
Oh well! I don't think zimmerman's intentions were to kill anyone. If it was I would have emptied the entire clip into the bastard. I believe his intentions was to get him to stop beating the crap out of him. Tho, of course that's my take.
Personally I doubt he will be charged with anything ... unless you can call jesus down here and bring him back to life.
No? Oh sorry, you have no case or leg to stand on.
pic?
since I had the audacity to ask you btw, so I can see if I agree that you look like Z, in the interest of fairness... this is me:
Huh? He's been charged with 2nd degree murder, meaning that they have evidence to prove it.
I haven't read the thread since before the announcement.
If there is evidence of a bad shoot then I'll stand behind the evidence and wish to nail him to the wall.
That's all I want. The evidence and the truth. Let it go to trial if that I'd what it takes. Let the evidence be known. Looks like it will some time before that will be presented.
A bad shoot is a bad shoot. A good shoot is a good shoot.
I understand that we don't know for sure Z's account is 100% true. I acknowledge he may have embellished with the "you're gonna die tonight" line, but how will we ever know otherwise?
To me it just doesn't seem right that a person should be charged with MURDER when they did not have a plan that night to kill someone, and in fact did not even have a plan to kill someone at the moment they fired their gun. I think he clearly was just trying to defend himself. Even if Trayvon didn't go for his gun, or make that verbal threat... he still *definitely* was beating him.
You have a hoodie? are you a thug?
Quoted for the Lutz! :biggrin:
What happened to the EVIDENCE that PROVED that a ghetto stomping thug was killed in self-defense?
He probably misspoke and meant "convicted of anything" and it doesn't necessarily mean they have the evidence to prove it, it could mean they think they can win a conviction... which isn't necessarily the same thing (I've been watching some documentaries lately in fact which detailed people being convicted who were entirely innocent, so therefore obviously there wasn't evidence to prove it in their cases... and indeed there wasn't if you watch these docs, they were convicted instead because of deceptive tactics on the part of prosecutors, biased or unthinking juries... etc)
It also could just simply be that they charged him because of abject fear of what would happen if they didn't.
Quoted for the Lutz! :biggrin:
What happened to the EVIDENCE that PROVED that a ghetto stomping thug was killed in self-defense?
What about all the Supreme Knowledge on self defense?
How he will NEVER be charged?
Spidey was proven to be very very wrong.
He still may be innocent but Spidey will STILL be wrong.
Either they have evidence that Zimmerman initiated the fight which led to Martin's death, or it is simply a lynch mob. No way to tell until what evidence they have is revealed.
I can guarantee you though if they do go to court and he is found not guilty there will be race riots. It will not be pretty.
No chest thumping here even though I believed he'd be tried from the start. I hope for a fair trial for Zimmerman and that the truth comes out.
Oh, I think it's hilarious that the all of the Pro-Zimmerman folks who kept on posting law and evidence have now flip-flopped or now accusing the SP of bending too political pressure. Too funny.
Maybe the beating was justified, If Zimmerman pulled his Gun Martin had every right to beat him until he couldnt use it.
I haven't read the thread since before the announcement.
If there is evidence of a bad shoot then I'll stand behind the evidence and wish to nail him to the wall.
That's all I want. The evidence and the truth. Let it go to trial if that I'd what it takes. Let the evidence be known. Looks like it will some time before that will be presented.
A bad shoot is a bad shoot. A good shoot is a good shoot.
There is no way I am reading through this thread but I am sure there has been many calls for "justice" yet now that Zimmerman is going to go to trial how is he going to be able to get a fair one? If he is found innocent certain people are going to riot....the threats are how we got to this point. I'm not condoning what he did nor do I agree with it but this guy is going to get railroaded one way or another.
There is no way I am reading through this thread but I am sure there has been many calls for "justice" yet now that Zimmerman is going to go to trial how is he going to be able to get a fair one? If he is found innocent certain people are going to riot....the threats are how we got to this point. I'm not condoning what he did nor do I agree with it but this guy is going to get railroaded one way or another.