Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Darkstar757]

Everybody keeps saying this, but what is the point trying to be made with this statement? Are you implying that GZ should have known this was likely to happen and decided to follow TM anyway? Are you implying the dispatcher also knew what was going to happen ahead of time and that's why he told GZ not to follow TM?

I am implying you listen to the 911 operator aka the authorities. They are trying to protect you. In no way would I have followed him after I was told not too. This is the reason we have cops and not local militias.

 

[Geosurface]

This new attorney seems like a good, nice person. I think that will go a long way... I think it's good for Z to have a public face which is a likeable person as Mr. O'Mara appears to be.

But he made one mistake that one of the previous (I believe Mr. Uhrig) attorneys also made... talking about Z's inability to safely go to a 7-11. Really, really poor choice of example guys.

 

[lotus503]

I'm just gonna argue the definition of pursue. He was following him, but pursue implies he had intentions of confronting him, which I don't believe that can be fairly assumed.

Well he says himself these fuckers always get away, which implies frustration, its pretty reasonable to think he intended to find him.

 

[Geosurface]

I am implying you listen to the 911 operator aka the authorities. They are trying to protect you. In no way would I have followed him after I was told not too. This is the reason we have cops and not local militias.

Indications are that he did obey the 911 operator.

 

[OCNewbie]

I am implying you listen to the 911 operator aka the authorities. They are trying to protect you. In no way would I have followed him after I was told not too. This is the reason we have cops and not local militias.

If you listen to the dispatcher, it appears as though GZ does NOT continue following him after he's told not to, or if he does, it's no more than 5-10 seconds, if anything.

~2:26 Dispatcher: "We don't need you to do that"

~2:28 GZ: OK

~2:37 GZ: He "ran" (past tense)

I think that indicates GZ was no longer following him at that point.

~3:38 a full minute later GZ: I don't know where this kid is

 

[OCNewbie]

But he made one mistake that one of the previous (I believe Mr. Uhrig) attorneys also made... talking about Z's inability to safely go to a 7-11. Really, really poor choice of example guys.

Haha... I noticed that too, and I agree. He quickly changed it to a generic "store"

 

[Geosurface]

Looks like Jeff Ashton, the prosecutor in the Casey Anthony case... who I mentioned a little bit ago, and who I think is a very intelligent and honorable man, appeared on Dr. Drew tonight. on CNN HLN. I look forward to seeing what he thought about all this...

Casey Anthony's attorney already came on there to comment: http://drdrew.blogs.cnn.com/?adid=drdrew

 

[QueBert]

Everybody keeps saying this, but what is the point trying to be made with this statement? Are you implying that GZ should have known this was likely to happen and decided to follow TM anyway? Are you implying the dispatcher also knew what was going to happen ahead of time and that's why he told GZ not to follow TM?

Yes, he called 911 because he thought this person was suspicious enough to warrant calling the police. He had a bad feeling about a person, and still approached him, only logical reasoning for this is he's incredibly stupid. When you approach a person who's bad news, you should expect the worst. And with his cussing and obvious frustration while on the phone with the 911 operator, I think he knew exactly what to expect.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Looks like Jeff Ashton, the prosecutor in the Casey Anthony case... who I mentioned a little bit ago, and who I think is a very intelligent and honorable man, appeared on Dr. Drew tonight. on CNN HLN. I look forward to seeing what he thought about all this...

Casey Anthony's attorney already came on there to comment: http://drdrew.blogs.cnn.com/?adid=drdrew

With all due respect to Jose Baez, my impressions of him are entirely negative, despite his success in the Casey Anthony case. He seems like a complete halfwit to me.

 

[Zebo]

Its can't be because he commited a crime, nope its got to be some broad conspiracy.

Nothing would surprise me - innocent ppl are in prison let alone get charged - but all eyes will be on her. Will be tough to drum shit up to pad her resume.

 

[Geosurface]

With all due respect to Jose Baez, my impressions of him are entirely negative, despite his success in the Casey Anthony case. He seems like a complete halfwit to me.

He is due very little respect indeed.

 

[OCNewbie]

He had a bad feeling about a person, and still approached him, only logical reasoning for this is he's incredibly stupid. When you approach a person who's bad news, you should expect the worst. And with his cussing and obvious frustration while on the phone with the 911 operator, I think he knew exactly what to expect.

There is no proof that he's the one that did the approaching. The 911 tape shows that for a long period of time TM had evaded him, and by GZ's own admission he didn't know where the kid was.

 

[OCNewbie]

I honestly think TM's girlfriend may know a little more about who approached who. I just don't know if she actually had information that would support the notion that TM approached GZ that she would reveal that.

 

[umbrella39]

Care to make a wager on that charge?

Degenerate Gambler

 

[Dari]

How will the Feds handle their end of this case? Will they wait until the state of Florida is done with this killer then pounce?

 

[davmat787]

How will the Feds handle their end of this case? Will they wait until the state of Florida is done with this killer then pounce?

What do you mean by 'their end of the case'? Is Z facing federal level charges or something else I missed?

 

[OCNewbie]

What do you mean by 'their end of the case'? Is Z facing federal level charges or something else I missed?

No. They're looking into it is all, as far as I know.

 

[micrometers]

How will the Feds handle their end of this case? Will they wait until the state of Florida is done with this killer then pounce?

I severely doubt it. This doesn't smell like a hate crime at all.

 

[Capt Caveman]

What do you mean by 'their end of the case'? Is Z facing federal level charges or something else I missed?

I believe he's currently being investigated by the Dept of Justice and FBI.

 

[cubby1223]

*sigh*

In this short dead-time of tv I decided to throw c-span on.

They have right now a law professor from a smaller black college giving a speech talking about if justice is not served in this case they must start up the constructive non-violent protests.

Really?

If justice is not served? You would think that a law professor would believe that a court should be allowed to determine guilt or innocence. This person has already declared "justice" as being Zimmerman in prison. This law professor has already declared guilt before the trial has even begun.

What justice is that? What justice is a guilty sentence enforced by the public before a trial even begins?


This situation continues to appear more about aiming the spot-light on attention-seeking civil rights activists, than it is about the actual case at hand.

 

[davmat787]

*sigh*

In this short dead-time of tv I decided to throw c-span on.

They have right now a law professor from a smaller black college giving a speech talking about if justice is not served in this case they must start up the constructive non-violent protests.

Really?

If justice is not served? You would think that a law professor would believe that a court should be allowed to determine guilt or innocence. This person has already declared "justice" as being Zimmerman in prison. This law professor has already declared guilt before the trial has even begun.

What justice is that? What justice is a guilty sentence enforced by the public before a trial even begins?


This situation continues to appear more about aiming the spot-light on attention-seeking civil rights activists, than it is about the actual case at hand.

Well said, these attention seeking whores trying to 'get some' off of the death of TM is sickening. Since Z is in custody, and charges are filed, all of this 'justice seeking' BS should stop right now, and let the system work.

 

[Capt Caveman]

*sigh*

In this short dead-time of tv I decided to throw c-span on.

They have right now a law professor from a smaller black college giving a speech talking about if justice is not served in this case they must start up the constructive non-violent protests.

Really?

If justice is not served? You would think that a law professor would believe that a court should be allowed to determine guilt or innocence. This person has already declared "justice" as being Zimmerman in prison. This law professor has already declared guilt before the trial has even begun.

What justice is that? What justice is a guilty sentence enforced by the public before a trial even begins?


This situation continues to appear more about aiming the spot-light on attention-seeking civil rights activists, than it is about the actual case at hand.

You obviously must be new to this thread or you would have noticed numerous pro-Zimmerman folks discussing how the evidence proved that Zimmerman was innocent and that the SPD performed a fair and thorough investigation. And that the SP was not going to find any evidence to convict Zimmerman of a crime.

 

[Lithium381]

If he gets 3 years, I'll be happy. He is a thug. Trayvon was a bony 6'3 teenager. I bet if Trayvon had been 6'3 250 he would not have chased him down even with a gun. This guy is a punk.

Yep, stay CLASSY. You're judging him knowing very little about what transpired. Are you saying that because he's white? You want him to get 3 years in prison despite having NO evidence to support a guilty claim?

*sigh*

In this short dead-time of tv I decided to throw c-span on.

They have right now a law professor from a smaller black college giving a speech talking about if justice is not served in this case they must start up the constructive non-violent protests.

Really?

If justice is not served? You would think that a law professor would believe that a court should be allowed to determine guilt or innocence. This person has already declared "justice" as being Zimmerman in prison. This law professor has already declared guilt before the trial has even begun.

What justice is that? What justice is a guilty sentence enforced by the public before a trial even begins?


This situation continues to appear more about aiming the spot-light on attention-seeking civil rights activists, than it is about the actual case at hand.

It seems a certain "culture" has a different idea of "justice" the same way they have a distorted view of "respect"

 

[Svnla]

*sigh*

In this short dead-time of tv I decided to throw c-span on.

They have right now a law professor from a smaller black college giving a speech talking about if justice is not served in this case they must start up the constructive non-violent protests.

Really?

If justice is not served? You would think that a law professor would believe that a court should be allowed to determine guilt or innocence. This person has already declared "justice" as being Zimmerman in prison. This law professor has already declared guilt before the trial has even begun.

What justice is that? What justice is a guilty sentence enforced by the public before a trial even begins?


This situation continues to appear more about aiming the spot-light on attention-seeking civil rights activists, than it is about the actual case at hand.

Don't forget all the matchings and chantings of "No Justice, No Peace" from this circus. Where are all the matching and chanting of "No Justice, No Peace" for all the blacks that were murdered in Chicago? = http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2233687

Zip, nada, nope, not a peep.

 

[HomerJS]

ORLY?

So you're saying he wouldn't call the cops on this:

but he WOULD call the cops on this?

and if you ARE saying that, I just have one question... are you saying it with a straight face?

I'm saying he would have called the cops on this...

Its called racial profiling. If you are going to do it with a gun you had better be sure what you are doing. Z obviously didn't