Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Geosurface]

Your disappointed people want to see what evidence the state has?

Forgive me for not buying Zimmerman's version with the little evidence we have.

The state charged him, I want to see why they did it.

You're fairly reasonable. Look at Dari and airdata today for examples of less reasonable people... with airdata earlier it was like the Borg, how they'd keep adjusting to the Enterprise's phaser beam thingy and they'd have to keep changing the frequency to do damage... he's got a fact-shield up that is infinitely limber and adaptable.

My money's on "public pressure" for your last question there btw.

 

[corwin]

Then their duty/obligation is to report said suspicious person and/or activity to the police and let the police handle it.

Actually I was responding to "F what NW 'advises'. You getting assaulted and/or seriously injured and/or dead would be the result of their 'advice'. " Should have been clearer

bottom line: a LEO wannbe shouldn't shouldn't carry, while doing errands or their NW patrol, and instigate an incident where someone may wind up dead; it can bite them in the ass and they may end up in jail.

He did report it...and these "guidelines" are not binding or legally actionable in any way...and now you get to decide who should and shouldn't carry a weapon? How would you identify a LEO wannabe? Maybe we should keep blacks from carrying too, you know in case they're a gangster wannabe? Don't assault someone for no reason and maybe you won't end up in the ground:\

 

[corwin]

I'll agree it was political pressure if they dont present anything countering the self defense claims. the govenor and SA have stated it wasnt political pressure. If they dont have anything beyond what we know its going to look really bad.

Yeah personally I am actually hoping they do have something...if not the perception will be really bad, if they do I'll admit I was wrong all day long

It's plausible if you have a gun backing you up...

It's a stretch...

Remember, he has a police complex. Bitch is probably a bully too. But that gun, man oh man can it give you a world of confidence.

You talking from experience there? When I carry it makes me very cautious...last thing I want to ever have to do is use the damn thing

 

[lotus503]

You're fairly reasonable. Look at Dari and airdata today for examples of less reasonable people... with airdata earlier it was like the Borg, how they'd keep adjusting to the Enterprise's phaser beam thingy and they'd have to keep changing the frequency to do damage... he's got a fact-shield up that is infinitely limber and adaptable.

My money's on "public pressure" for your last question there btw.

While I dont agree with what those guys post all the time.

I do think there are many things wrong with Zimmermans actions that night. very well could say the same thing about Martin's actions.

I dont want laws to allow people to pursue suspects while armed, thats the job of LEOs

 

[Dari]

Yeah personally I am actually hoping they do have something...if not the perception will be really bad, if they do I'll admit I was wrong all day long

It's a stretch...

Not really. Remember, a gun is like nicotine. It does two opposite things at once. Just like nicotine hypes you up and calms you down simultaneously, a gun can give you a lot of confidence and induce the fear that your opponent also has a gun. It's a complex feeling that can lead to any sort of scenario.

 

[Dari]

Yeah personally I am actually hoping they do have something...if not the perception will be really bad, if they do I'll admit I was wrong all day long

It's a stretch...

You talking from experience there? When I carry it makes me very cautious...last thing I want to ever have to do is use the damn thing

You may not want to use it but you know it's there to get out of any tight spots. It also gives you the confidence to take the lead in a crisis.

 

[micrometers]

one interesting thing: there appear to be 2 sources of bleeding on the back of his head.

so it looks like martin did smash his head multiple times into the ground, since there are 2 different spots.

 

[soundforbjt]

The links that have been pasted in the thread before?

No links to proven stolen jewelry have been posted before, I assumed you had one since you are the one making the accusations. Guess it's speculation as I said, since you don't have any proof.

 

[corwin]

Not really. Remember, a gun is like nicotine. It does two opposite things at once. Just like nicotine hypes you up and calms you down simultaneously, a gun can give you a lot of confidence and induce the fear that your opponent also has a gun. It's a complex feeling that can lead to any soft of scenario.

You may not want to use it but you know it's there to get out of any tight spots. It also gives you the confidence to take the lead in a crisis.

For some that's entirely possible, for him it may even have been what happened, but there's nothing to indicate that's what happened yet...so far everything is pointing the other way...that could change though and I'll alter my course accordingly if something shows otehrwise

 

[corwin]

No links to proven stolen jewelry have been posted before, I assumed you had one since you are the one making the accusations. Guess it's speculation as I said, since you don't have any proof

Yep no proof at all...credibly probable but no proof And I still hold that it was likely given to him by someone else (same influences mom was probably trying to get him away from) but all the same those influences were in his life and he well could have acted on them

 

[Dari]

For some that's entirely possible, for him it may even have been what happened, but there's nothing to indicate that's what happened yet...so far everything is pointing the other way...that could change though and I'll alter my course accordingly if something shows otehrwise

Well, he was aggressive in his pursuit and in his conversation with the 911 operator. He was also considered arrogant when on his NW duties. This whole shit with Zimmerman was a time bomb waiting to happen and I'm surprised no one thought it'd be wise to pull him aside to ask him what the fuck he was doing, at age 28, patrolling his neighborhood when he could've been chasing pussy; starting his career, or starting a family. Or all three.

Others may disagree but I find something seriously wrong with someone doing the NW at that age.

 

[chucky2]

No links to proven stolen jewelry have been posted before, I assumed you had one since you are the one making the accusations. Guess it's speculation as I said, since you don't have any proof.

Yep no proof at all...credibly probable but no proof And I still hold that it was likely given to him by someone else (same influences mom was probably trying to get him away from) but all the same those influences were in his life and he well could have acted on them

Right, right...he was just...holding them. He had every intention of turning them into the authorities, right rriiiighhhtt....snicker.

Lets say this: It's far more credible proof that TM was a thug/thug wannabe/thug in training, than it is that Z improperly shot TM.

And yet, just look how many on here are out against Z...

...strange, amirite?

 

[corwin]

Well, he was aggressive in his pursuit and in his conversation with the 911 operator. He was also considered arrogant when on his NW duties. This whole shit with Zimmerman was a time bomb waiting to happen and I'm surprised no one thought it'd be wise to pull him aside to ask him what the fuck he was doing, at age 28, patrolling his neighborhood when he could've been chasing pussy; starting his career, or starting a family. Or all three.

Others may disagree but I find something seriously wrong with someone doing the NW at that age.

Well he was employed, and married, and working on a degree...it's not like his full time job was patrolling the streets or anything...his NW involvement really seems to have been exaggerated

 

[EagleKeeper]

"Evidence shows that zimmerman did not pursue trayvon when told not to. He began banging on doors to notify neighbors that a potential thug was running behind their houses and hiding."

All your speculation

Can you explain the knocking sounds that were recorded in the 911 calls?

If they were not knocking ; what were they?

If they were knocking; then that means that Zimmerman had to have stopped the "pursuit" long enough to approach at least 3 houses.

Given that Zimmerman was a good 30+ meters behind Martin at the time of "pursuit" and Martin was supposed to get moving at a fast pace (as state by the GF) Martin had to at least kept his lead on Zimmerman, if not increased it.

Martin was blocked from Zimmerman's view by the houses so he was unable to see Zimmerman.

The 911 does not indicate that Zimmerman was yelling; so direct sounds would not have alerted Martin to the location of Zimmerman.
You either had the knocking on doors or Zimmerman talking on the cell to provide orientation point.

Martin had a clear avenue and lead to escape to the house he was at.
Instead he was stopped 70 meters and ended up in a confrontation.

What happened to his 50-60 meter lead on Zimmerman?

No one defending Martin can come up with a justification on why that lead vanished and blame it on Zimmerman

 

[corwin]

What happened to his 50-60 meter lead on Zimmerman?

No one defending Martin can come up with a justification on why that lead vanished and blame it on Zimmerman

The lead and ~5 minutes of time mind you...

 

[werepossum]

It is a fact. Have you been around the average black person? Even the black females will start screaming at you if you look at them the wrong way.

Please ask the nice man in white what it says on the sign just before the word "WARD" where you live so that we can understand this statement.

 

[Dari]

Well he was employed, and married, and working on a degree...it's not like his full time job was patrolling the streets or anything...his NW involvement really seems to have been exaggerated

He was doing all those things at the same time? If so, why would he be living with his parents if he's married? Doesn't make sense. And what advanced degree was he pursuing at age 28? But let's just say he was doing all those things, why would you be on a NW? It seems like he felt like he had something to prove. His father failed him big time and here we are...

 

[corwin]

He was doing all those things at the same time? If so, why would he be living with his parents if he's married? Doesn't make sense. And what advanced degree was he pursuing at age 28? But let's just say he was doing all those things, why would you be on a NW? It seems like he felt like he had something to prove. His father failed him big time and here we are...

Umm, yeah all those things at the same time...not exactly privy to why he was at his parents, maybe lost his home in this recession? Florida housing was hit pretty damn hard iirc...and what's so weird about working on a degree at 28? I'm a hell of a lot older than that and I'm just starting college, while working, and I'm married with kids...and on my NW....what's your point again? Oh his father failed him? How so?

 

[Dari]

Umm, yeah all those things at the same time...not exactly privy to why he was at his parents, maybe lost his home in this recession? Florida housing was hit pretty damn hard iirc...and what's so weird about working on a degree at 28? I'm a hell of a lot older than that and I'm just starting college, while working, and I'm married with kids...and on my NW....what's your point again? Oh his father failed him? How so?

I can understand doing NW when you're old and have no social life. That I can understand. But doing it at 28 when the rest of your life is just starting is odd (to me). And if he's married why live at home? Why not get an apartment with your wife? I can't imagine living with my parents, especially when I'm married. Ugh!

His father failed him by not seeing that his son was unstable, not normal. His son was defective in a very special way. He has a police complex and felt he needed to prove himself. Perhaps it's because he was married and living at home and going to college at 28. Perhaps. But the old man should've had a sit-down with his man-child and massaged his crippled ego.

I have nothing against people going to college when they're older. Neither do I have anything against people being married and living with their parents. It's only when these people try to "correct" their situation in an external manner that I think those closest to them have a duty to set them straight. The police were using Zimmerman like he was an auxiliary cop or a neighborhood snitch and his father stood by and did not understand the psychology of it all. It's a sad family affair.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I can understand doing NW when you're old and have no social life. That I can understand. But doing it at 28 when the rest of your life is just starting is odd (to me). And if he's married why live at home? Why not get an apartment with your wife? I can't imagine living with my parents, especially when I'm married. Ugh!

His father failed him by not seeing that his son was unstable, not normal. His son was defective in a very special way. He has a police complex and felt he needed to prove himself. Perhaps it's because he was married and living at home and going to college at 28. Perhaps. But the old man should've had a sit-down with his man-child and massaged his crippled ego.

I have nothing against people going to college when they're older. Neither do I have anything against people being married and living with their parents. It's only when these people try to "correct" their situation in an external manner that I think those closest to them have a duty to set them straight. The police were using Zimmerman like he was an auxiliary cop or a neighborhood snitch and his father stood by and did not understand the psychology of it all. It's a sad family affair.

LOL

 

[QueBert]

Yeah because being a pussy he would have the balls to grab the hand of someone bigger than he was...sounds plausible to me:hmm:

I speak from personal experience, it's easy as hell to be a tough guy before shit goes down. Just like Internet tough guys, there are real life versions of that. But once this person actually gets hit they realize they can't handle it and switch into instant bitch mode. I can't count how many times I've witnessed a fight where the bully started shit, and was acting like prime Mike Tyson. But when the other dude got the best of them they'd turtled up scared as shit. Due to his past, it's pretty clear that Zimmerman at least possessed some of these bully qualities. Maybe he pushed the wrong person here and his tough guy act didn't cut it.

 

[corwin]

I can understand doing NW when you're old and have no social life. That I can understand. But doing it at 28 when the rest of your life is just starting is odd (to me). And if he's married why live at home? Why not get an apartment with your wife? I can't imagine living with my parents, especially when I'm married. Ugh!

His father failed him by not seeing that his son was unstable, not normal. His son was defective in a very special way. He has a police complex and felt he needed to prove himself. Perhaps it's because he was married and living at home and going to college at 28. Perhaps. But the old man should've had a sit-down with his man-child and massaged his crippled ego.

I have nothing against people going to college when they're older. Neither do I have anything against people being married and living with their parents. It's only when these people try to "correct" their situation in an external manner that I think those closest to them have a duty to set them straight. The police were using Zimmerman like he was an auxiliary cop or a neighborhood snitch and his father stood by and did not understand the psychology of it all. It's a sad family affair.

So many judgments based on so little information in such a relatively short post...so are you saying I have no social life?

EDIT: OK, maybe I don't have a social life...don't judge me:'(

 

[corwin]

I speak from personal experience, it's easy as hell to be a tough guy before shit goes down. Just like Internet tough guys, there are real life versions of that. But once this person actually gets hit they realize they can't handle it and switch into instant bitch mode. I can't count how many times I've witnessed a fight where the bully started shit, and was acting like prime Mike Tyson. But when the other dude got the best of them they'd turtled up scared as shit. Due to his past, it's pretty clear that Zimmerman at least possessed some of these bully qualities. Maybe he pushed the wrong person here and his tough guy act didn't cut it.

It's possible yes, I've never said it wasn't possible, but I don't see it as probable...I've been known to be wrong before though

 

[Dari]

So many judgments based on so little information in such a relatively short post...so are you saying I have no social life?

EDIT: OK, maybe I don't have a social life...don't judge me:'(

Nothing wrong with that. You have a family and that's what counts. You value the time with your family and want to protect them. So you split your time with them and this NW thing. But to do it when you have no children and a young wife? Makes no sense to me. None at all. Shouldn't he be banging his wife every time he sees her? Also, people that do NW do it in a group manner where there is constant collaboration. Zimmerman, according to his neighbors, acted as if he was the only sheriff in town. And, again, he's only 28...

 

[Doppel]

How hard is it to admit that the picture released today obliterated the prosecution's 2nd degree murder charge?

Zimmerman was obviously in a physical fight for which he suffered damage, all consistent with his original story and surely the reason he was not kept in jail to begin with.