Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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OCGuy

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Seems like some of the people here just don't like guns, and really have no legal argument. Sucks to be you.
 

corwin

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Nothing wrong with that. You have a family and that's what counts. You value the time with your family and want to protect them. So you split your time with them and this NW thing. But to do it when you have no children and a young wife? Makes no sense to me. None at all. Shouldn't he be banging his wife every time he sees her? Also, people that do NW do it in a group manner where there is constant collaboration. Zimmerman, according to his neighbors, acted as if he was the only sheriff in town. And, again, he's only 28...
I spend very little time with NW...but I am always observant while coming and going in my neighborhood for anything suspicious or out of the ordinary. While he may have been hyper-vigilant or overzealous nothing about that is a crime in and of itself...weird maybe but nothing criminal, not what I would be doing but again, nothing criminal. If his story is true he used slightly bad judgement getting out of his car but the resulting altercation was not of his doing...
 

Doppel

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I spend very little time with NW...but I am always observant while coming and going in my neighborhood for anything suspicious or out of the ordinary. While he may have been hyper-vigilant or overzealous nothing about that is a crime in and of itself...weird maybe but nothing criminal, not what I would be doing but again, nothing criminal. If his story is true he used slightly bad judgement getting out of his car but the resulting altercation was not of his doing...

People need to separate his questionable judgement with legality and seem unable to do so.

Btw ur avatar is awesome.
 

Tommy2000GT

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When Zimmerman gets found not guilty, I'm sure there will be many black people rioting and looting.

Black people like to get violent when they don't get their way. Take the Oakland Bart shooting for example.
 

corwin

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Seems like some of the people here just don't like guns, and really have no legal argument. Sucks to be you.
For some people I believe that's true, others are genuinely just emotionally driven to the point of not seeing any way a "child" could be responsible...

People need to separate his questionable judgement with legality and seem unable to do so.

Btw ur avatar is awesome.
That is true as well...and thanks:biggrin: I've always wondered, who is that in yours?
 

OCGuy

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The most ironic thing the AA community could do would be to riot. Justifiable Homicide would increase by 3000% in a day.

You have to have balls to riot in a red state. Check that, you have to be really stupid.
 

Dari

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I spend very little time with NW...but I am always observant while coming and going in my neighborhood for anything suspicious or out of the ordinary. While he may have been hyper-vigilant or overzealous nothing about that is a crime in and of itself...weird maybe but nothing criminal, not what I would be doing but again, nothing criminal. If his story is true he used slightly bad judgement getting out of his car but the resulting altercation was not of his doing...

That is your opinion and you're entitled to it, although I believe you're wrong...
 

corwin

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That is your opinion and you're entitled to it, although I believe you're wrong...
Thank you, I respectfully disagree with your opinion as well Being civil is fun, more people around here should try it
 

blankslate

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You have to have balls to riot in a red state. Check that, you have to be really stupid.

Given some of the cases in which a judge threw out a charge based on SYG...

It might be possible to claim "Well, your honor I was rioting and this person with a CCW put me in fear of my life when he reach toward his belt so ran up and I busted his head open with the 2x4 I was carrying before he could aim his weapon.."

And have the charges dropped. I'm being facetious... well halfway at least...
 

QueBert

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When Zimmerman gets found not guilty, I'm sure there will be many black people rioting and looting.

Black people like to get violent when they don't get their way. Take the Oakland Bart shooting for example.

Where Caucasian people will riot, tear their city to shit and get violent over something like their Hockey or Football team winning. So I guess black people riot out of frustration, where white people riot out of joy? Hummm....

And way to bring up 1 incident to prove how they'll act here, even though in similar cases, like Sean Bell & Tyisha Miller there wasn't rioting when the police that clearly murdered them all got off with no jail time. People just like you were ensuring there would be massive rioting by the black people if there wasn't justice in the Sean Bell case.

FYI: there was no rioting, and no justice there.
 
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Darwin333

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Not really. Remember, a gun is like nicotine. It does two opposite things at once. Just like nicotine hypes you up and calms you down simultaneously, a gun can give you a lot of confidence and induce the fear that your opponent also has a gun. It's a complex feeling that can lead to any sort of scenario.

I know a LOT of people who carry guns, some daily and others just when they are going into the less safe parts of the city, been to the range more times than I can count and had plenty of conversations with the people there and not once have I ever heard anything even remotely similar to that.

In fact, all I have ever heard is the exact opposite which mirrors mine. I am much more cautious and far less likely to get into any kind of confrontation when I am carrying. Like the poster above me said, the absolute last thing I want to do is actually use my gun to defend myself or someone else.

Oh, and if I am armed or not has absolutely no effect on if I think my opponent is. That is a pretty ridiculous statement because if I think my opponent is armed I am going to be a hellofa lot more scared if I am unarmed versus armed.
 

Capt Caveman

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When Zimmerman gets found not guilty, I'm sure there will be many black people rioting and looting.

Black people like to get violent when they don't get their way. Take the Oakland Bart shooting for example.

Like Penn State and Vancouver, BC? Oh wait, they were white and it was over sports.
 

Svnla

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corwin

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Like Penn State and Vancouver, BC? Oh wait, they were white and it was over sports.
They were lots of colors and it wasn't over race is what you meant right? Or are you saying racially motivated riots are OK? Or just trying to justify racial riots because some (arguably) whites did too? Tit for tat maybe?

So why did you post this again?
 

CitizenKain

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How hard is it to admit that the picture released today obliterated the prosecution's 2nd degree murder charge?

Zimmerman was obviously in a physical fight for which he suffered damage, all consistent with his original story and surely the reason he was not kept in jail to begin with.

What, a couple little scratches in the back of his head? That's the evidence of a life threatening struggle with someone? Looks more like Zimmerman started a fight, started losing, then pulled a gun out.
 

Onita

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What, a couple little scratches in the back of his head? That's the evidence of a life threatening struggle with someone? Looks more like Zimmerman started a fight, started losing, then pulled a gun out.

Where do you get that he started a fight?
 

spidey07

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What, a couple little scratches in the back of his head? That's the evidence of a life threatening struggle with someone? Looks more like Zimmerman started a fight, started losing, then pulled a gun out.

In case you haven't been paying attention the prosecution has admitted to not having anything showing zimmerman started any fight. You're making shit up that has zero evidence of that happening.

Watching the bail hearing was quite telling, the prosecution basically has jack and shit. Hope zimmerman can sue them for wrongful prosecution or something, he has to have compensation for this miscarriage of justice.
 

Jaskalas

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What, a couple little scratches in the back of his head? That's the evidence of a life threatening struggle with someone? Looks more like Zimmerman started a fight, started losing, then pulled a gun out.

That is the theory against Zimmerman, where's the proof?
 

OCGuy

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Where do you get that he started a fight?

Because he is "half white and half latino", so he obviously has a God complex and a short temper!


Thank god none of these emotion-driven idiots are judges in our legal system.
 

corwin

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Because he is "half white and half latino", so he obviously has a God complex and a short temper!


Thank god none of these emotion-driven idiots are judges in our legal system.
Sadly some of them could end up being jurors...
 

spidey07

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Oh, and the prosecution said it was a contact shot. The gunpowder and stippling prove it was (I guess thats the rippling of the skin/flesh from the force of the gas from the barrel).

So that knocks out the "made up shit in their heads" story that martin got off of zimmerman trying to get away and zimmerman murdered him in cold blood.

This is clear cut self defense, it hardly gets any more clear given all this evidence.

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Stippling is actually gun power/debris embedded in the skin proving a contact shot.
 
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