Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[waggy]

We'll have to agree to disagree.
The money had to go into his account because it was linked to the paypal account. He was in jail, so there was no reason to keep the money is the primary account of someone who was currently in jail. The reason to move it could just as easily be explain to ensure it was available to whoever needed, when they needed it.
Again there wasn't anyway to hide the money the way people are trying to imply. All the transactions where right there.

ok. easy question. all of this happened BEFORE the bond hearing. why didn't they notify teh court? they knew they had to. they understood what was going on. yet they failed to.

 

[Druidx]

Boy, is this badly written! I think they have some valid arguments, but this reads like it was written by a high school dropout.

You would know best. I did find it comical that Corey used the Judge's words every chance she got in the motion.

 

[waggy]

You would know best. I did find it comical that Corey used the Judge's words every chance she got in the motion.

i think that's smart. fling the judges words back at him. It reminds the judge what they said and reinforces it.

 

[xj0hnx]

ok i understand the debate on what happened that night. We DON'T know what happened so talking about it is understandable.

I am suprised some are saying GZ didn't try to hide money from the courts. that really boggles my mind. Now the structuring is in doubt but he did try to hide it from teh courts.

While it seems it was accounted for AFTER the bond hearing why didn't they tell the courts about it? they removed it from GZ account. thats hideing it.

does that mean he is guilty of murder 2? no. it was a idiotic thing to do that does not help him in his bond hearing or murder case. but it does not prove guilt.

take in the fact they moved it to a 3rd party account and didn't say anything in court at all about the money? yeah looks bad for him.

it was stupid. hell it was beyond stupid.

"3rd party" account or not, it wasn't hidden in any way, shape, or form, it was moved to and from accounts in the same increments it came from Paypal in. If anyone had looked, and they did, they would have seen, and they did, that the money came in, and then went out, and then came in. I'm just having a hard time believing no one looked at the accounts before, or during the bond hearing, and just took GZ's word that there was no money.

As Druidx points out below the reasons for moving it could have simply been to get the funds to people that weren't in jail that could handle making whatever payments needed to be made. It's been a while since I was in jail, but I don't remember ATMs in the cells.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
The money had to go into his account because it was linked to the paypal account. He was in jail, so there was no reason to keep the money is the primary account of someone who was currently in jail. The reason to move it could just as easily be explain to ensure it was available to whoever needed, when they needed it.
Again there wasn't anyway to hide the money the way people are trying to imply. All the transactions where right there.

 

[OCNewbie]

Xjohn - you are taking Zimmerman's version that he was reaching for his phone.

also OC - how do you guys know it wasn't a gun?

The screams lasted for at LEAST 45 seconds. If it was TM screaming, because GZ had his gun out (why else would he be screaming, he wasn't injured prior to being shot), you're telling me that they struggled for this gun, which would have absolutely been a chaotic, life or death struggle, for 45 straight seconds, which is probably closer to at least a minute, without the gun going off? I just can't imagine that being possible. And during that ~minute+ encounter, there was time for GZ to get multiple wounds to the back of his head? If TM knew about the gun, his hands would have been doing everything in his power to try to gain control of that gun, and NOT using them to do whatever he did to cause GZ to receive those head wounds, and other scuffs/scratches on his forehead, etc. Does it make any sense that TM would relinquish even partial control over the weapon, thereby not challenging GZ for the weapon at all, in favor of grabbing GZ's head, etc?

That monumental amount of "does not compute" is why I don't believe GZ had his gun out.

 

[waggy]

again why didn't they tell the judge at the bond hearing. they knew about the money and they understood why they were in court that day. They also knew what the money was to be used for

so again. why didn't they tell the judge?



for the record NO they did not have to move the funds. there was no pressing issue to do it. they could still make the bill payments with Paypal. they could still do whatever stuff they did with it.

there was no pressing issue on moving it.

 

[soundforbjt]

Why were they moving amounts less than $10,000? Because any transaction over $10K gets papers sent to the IRS. They were trying to evade taxes, maybe?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

again why didn't they tell the judge at the bond hearing. they knew about the money and they understood why they were in court that day. They also knew what the money was to be used for

so again. why didn't they tell the judge?



for the record NO they did not have to move the funds. there was no pressing issue to do it. they could still make the bill payments with Paypal. they could still do whatever stuff they did with it.

there was no pressing issue on moving it.

I can't believe anyone is arguing this. Anyone arguing this point loses credibility instantly IMO. If they argue this it just shows they are biased.

 

[xj0hnx]

again why didn't they tell the judge at the bond hearing. they knew about the money and they understood why they were in court that day. They also knew what the money was to be used for

so again. why didn't they tell the judge?

Stupidity?

for the record NO they did not have to move the funds. there was no pressing issue to do it. they could still make the bill payments with Paypal. they could still do whatever stuff they did with it.

there was no pressing issue on moving it.

Maybe not, but they didn't hide it either, the transactions were all right here, all to the penny.

 

[waggy]

Why were they moving amounts less than $10,000? Because any transaction over $10K gets papers sent to the IRS. They were trying to evade taxes, maybe?

the "expert" (btw he seems to be a very poor expert) claimed it was Paypal limit. I didn't see the state go after him on it so it might be true.

 

[xj0hnx]

I can't believe anyone is arguing this. Anyone arguing this point loses credibility instantly IMO. If they argue this it just shows they are biased.

Yea, because you and your race baiting are the epitome of credibility.

 

[waggy]

Stupidity?



Maybe not, but they didn't hide it either, the transactions were all right here, all to the penny.

sure was AFTER the bond hearing.

again they move the money out of GZ's account and eventually into a family members. Then they claim they don't have money forbond and get a insanely low bond.

just because eventually it all is accounted for does not change the fact for the bond hearing (again i am not saying he hid it to flee. he had the chance and didn't do it) it was hidden and not told to the judge.

 

[OCNewbie]

You'll note he varies and struggles with completely unimportant and unincriminating details too.

I noticed that in GZ's call to dispatch, at 2:46 he gives the dispatcher his telephone number, and at 3:53 he seems to have forgotten, or wasn't sure anyway, that the dispatcher had his number. He seems to be pretty forgetful in general.

 

[Geosurface]

What if they wanted it out of PayPal because they were new to using it and the funds didn't seem as dependable or "real" until in a traditional bank account they were accustomed to paying bills, etc out of? And they wanted to make sure PayPal really would relinquish them?

 

[soundforbjt]

the "expert" (btw he seems to be a very poor expert) claimed it was Paypal limit. I didn't see the state go after him on it so it might be true.

But I know for a fact any transaction over $10K requires a bank to send paperwork to the IRS.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You would know best. I did find it comical that Corey used the Judge's words every chance she got in the motion.

It's smart to quote the judge saying things that favor your side because it reminds him that he has staked out a position and makes it harder for him to change course. But yeah, this motion is a mess.


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[emperus]

the "expert" (btw he seems to be a very poor expert) claimed it was Paypal limit. I didn't see the state go after him on it so it might be true.

Paypal -> (10k limit) ->GZ Credit Union account -> (no limit) -> Wife's acount -> (no limit) -> Cash.

I can understand why there were the initial under 10k withdrawals. But what about the under 10k withdrawals from GZ's account and the Under 10k cash withdrawals.

 

[waggy]

What if they wanted it out of PayPal because they were new to using it and the funds didn't seem as dependable or "real" until in a traditional bank account they were accustomed to paying bills, etc out of? And they wanted to make sure PayPal really would relinquish them?

understandable. i hate paypal.

so why move it from GZ's account to his sisters then? remember it went from paypal =>GZ's account => sisters

then after the bond hearing it went back to GZ's

 

[xj0hnx]

Why were they moving amounts less than $10,000? Because any transaction over $10K gets papers sent to the IRS. They were trying to evade taxes, maybe?

By moving the money from one account, and then back again? It's not like they took the money out in cash, sunk it into some shady business than made deposits back into the accounts, or dispersed it into unnumbered offshore accounts.

 

[Onita]

It's smart to quote the judge saying things that favor your side because it reminds him that he has staked out a position and makes it harder for him to change course. But yeah, this motion is a mess.


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I haven't completely kept up on this case since its a mess. IIRC, the judge said his past crimes were no big deal. What's the point of the prosecutor quoting his past crimes multiple times?

 

[lotus503]

You seem to be putting a "lot of energy" into worrying about what I do, why don't you worry about what lotus503 does instead.

Not at all, I just think the rules should apply to everyone.

 

[xj0hnx]

sure was AFTER the bond hearing.

again they move the money out of GZ's account and eventually into a family members. Then they claim they don't have money forbond and get a insanely low bond.

just because eventually it all is accounted for does not change the fact for the bond hearing (again i am not saying he hid it to flee. he had the chance and didn't do it) it was hidden and not told to the judge.

But it wasn't "hidden", there is an easily followable trail of transactions from one account to another.

 

[soundforbjt]

Paypal -> (10k limit) ->GZ Credit Union account -> (no limit) -> Wife's acount -> (no limit) -> Cash.

I can understand why there were the initial under 10k withdrawals. But what about the under 10k withdrawals from GZ's account and the Under 10k cash withdrawals.

That's my point about the tax angle. They were trying to evade the IRS as well, possibly, or they are just that dumb.

 

[waggy]

But it wasn't "hidden", there is an easily followable trail of transactions from one account to another.

ok..then why didn't they tell the judge?

 

[xj0hnx]

ok..then why didn't they tell the judge?

Answered ...stupidity.