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airdata

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Zimmerman should've left the country before he was charged.

Oh, for sure. Would make our 1500 page thread alot smaller... or... never mind. Refer to my previous post regarding Alkemyst. We'd still have idiots like him in denial.

Spatiallyaware and spidey would both say that fleeing was an act of self defense against the american justice system because he had reason to fear for his life.
 

Geosurface

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He should've gone to Peru and burned all his identification, credit cards, etc and walked up into the mountains to beg for a job milking goats or something.

He was legally free to go.

And I do think he is being unfairly, illegally pursued by the American justice system. He does have a reason to fear for his life.

There is no indication at all that he broke the law that night, or broke any reasonable person's moral code either.

So why is he being prosecuted? Mob rule, political pressure, ignorance of the evidence and of the law. Racial side-taking, bloodlust, stupidity. It really is that simple. Subtract those factors, charges never brought.
 

WHAMPOM

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To nitpick, "Wherefore art thou"...

"I do not think it means what you think it means" to paraphrase another priceless work of entertainment.

Try googling to see what that means and let us know when you've completed freshman English in high school. It's one thing to fat finger a misspelling. It's another to completely use the wrong phrase.

You are just too dense to get the mangled meaning of "where forth arth thou." Guess or certainty? Certain!

Went to school did you" Never learnt to think? LOL
 

HumblePie

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You are just too dense to get the mangled meaning of "where forth arth thou." Guess or certainty? Certain!

Went to school did you" Never learnt to think? LOL

LOL, I'm not too dense. I'm pointing out your improper use of a very popular phrase that people use to "sound smart" only makes you sound dumber. Especially so on the internet where all we know you by are words. A proper analogy would be that It's like you are trying to wear a monocle and ascot in public to make yourself seem affluent and smart. When all it does is make you look retarded. Not that you need to show it even more as your other posts already do a fine job of that.
 

Geosurface

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When I use olde English it's to deliberately sound goofy and absurd, dunno about anyone else. I also employ deliberately crafted errors in it.
 

airdata

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He should've gone to Peru and burned all his identification, credit cards, etc and walked up into the mountains to beg for a job milking goats or something.

He was legally free to go.

And I do think he is being unfairly, illegally pursued by the American justice system. He does have a reason to fear for his life.

There is no indication at all that he broke the law that night, or broke any reasonable person's moral code either.

So why is he being prosecuted? Mob rule, political pressure, ignorance of the evidence and of the law. Racial side-taking, bloodlust, stupidity. It really is that simple. Subtract those factors, charges never brought.

milking goats? sheeeeeeeeit.... if he was going to flee, flee w\ the 150-250k he swindled from idiots of the country.
 

tashatexas

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If.they can convict Drew Peterson on hearsay only then surely they can convict Zimmerman on his own testimony on the 911 tape before the murder where he expressea disdain and admits to chasing someone who was eventually found dead. Justice will prevail for Trayvon like it prevailed for Ms. Savio who "fought back" against her murderer by telling someone before she was killed that something dangerous was happening to her. Trayvon told someone else as well and she is a witness to Zimmermans pursuit of Trayvon which led to Trayvons murder.
 

EagleKeeper

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If.they can convict Drew Peterson on hearsay only then surely they can convict Zimmerman on his own testimony on the 911 tape before the murder where he expressea disdain and admits to chasing someone who was eventually found dead. Justice will prevail for Trayvon like it prevailed for Ms. Savio who "fought back" against her murderer by telling someone before she was killed that something dangerous was happening to her. Trayvon told someone else as well and she is a witness to Zimmermans pursuit of Trayvon which led to Trayvons murder.

Anything is possible when you have a state that retroactively rewrites the laws and a judge that continually allows the prosecution to talk about evidence that was barred earlier.

When the deck is stacked completely; you have no chance.

Florida already has tried to stack the deck with the prosecutor and Lester.
With Lester now being removed; some of the deck may be able to be shuffled.
 

emperus

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I caught this posting from talk left. I'm not a fan of the conservative treehouse. But, I did read it and it got me thinking. Is GZ the guest author? My reasoning. His first post had a lot of quotes like his therealgeorgezimmerman.com website. Secondly there are a lot of details provided by the guest author that only he, his wife or the ostermans would know.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...n-book-and-the-dangers-of-misplaced-advocacy/
 

WHAMPOM

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LOL, I'm not too dense. I'm pointing out your improper use of a very popular phrase that people use to "sound smart" only makes you sound dumber. Especially so on the internet where all we know you by are words. A proper analogy would be that It's like you are trying to wear a monocle and ascot in public to make yourself seem affluent and smart. When all it does is make you look retarded. Not that you need to show it even more as your other posts already do a fine job of that.

Sorry to hear the meaning behind my pretentious misspelling flew right over your head, next time I will use a simpler "Logic???!!!".
 
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If.they can convict Drew Peterson on hearsay only then surely they can convict Zimmerman on his own testimony on the 911 tape before the murder where he expressea disdain and admits to chasing someone who was eventually found dead. Justice will prevail for Trayvon like it prevailed for Ms. Savio who "fought back" against her murderer by telling someone before she was killed that something dangerous was happening to her. Trayvon told someone else as well and she is a witness to Zimmermans pursuit of Trayvon which led to Trayvons murder.


It's so revolting people are so dense as to be totally incapable of differentiating between "I personally KNOW he did it" and "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt"


I'm very amused by your antics, but your thought process and flow of logic is horrible.
 
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Geosurface

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I caught this posting from talk left. I'm not a fan of the conservative treehouse. But, I did read it and it got me thinking. Is GZ the guest author? My reasoning. His first post had a lot of quotes like his therealgeorgezimmerman.com website. Secondly there are a lot of details provided by the guest author that only he, his wife or the ostermans would know.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...n-book-and-the-dangers-of-misplaced-advocacy/

I actually think this guest writer may just be someone who has followed this case so closely that they've convinced themselves that they know what happened that night better than Osterman who was there.

As I read that first update I was like "oh so GZ never said that eh? well how the fuck do you know?"

if it's GZ himself obviously he could know, but to me it smacked more of someone who thinks, if they haven't heard it previously... then it didn't happen.
 

nobodyknows

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I think there's two points that make it impossible to say.

1. The circumstances that led to their encounter could change the applicability of the statutes related to self-defense in a couple of ways. 1. Which self-defense statute applies ? There's more than one and they aren't the same. 2. A jury's decision as to how the circumstances might preclude self-defense as a reasonable possibility.

2. Assuming Zimmerman was telling the truth and did fear for his life, was that what a reasonable person would have thought ? Given the minor injuries, his undeniable mistakes and/or over-reactions, I think its an open question to be decided by a jury.

Now, that ignores the high beyond a reasonably doubt standard, add that to the equation and maybe the uncertainty is in his favor.

The farce is strong in this one.
 

xj0hnx

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Actually they found an undisclosed passport in a bank I believe. Undisclosed meaning he didn't give it up meaning he was keeping it in case he decided to flee meaning yes.. he was a potential flight risk.

Pretty sure it was in his lawyers possession, not hidden in a bank.
 

EagleKeeper

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Pretty sure it was in his lawyers possession, not hidden in a bank.

Do not the truth & facts get in the way of the TM circle jerk crowd.

If GZ wanted to flee, he could have.

The extra bail restrictions were punitive.
 

classy

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I saw an article today in the Orlando Sentinel that said O'Mara was going after TM's school records.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mark-o-mara

I read the actual print article; I haven't read the above. I presume it's the same.

They won't get those records and anything they gather from the web won't help them either. The boys accounts had already been hacked so anything gathered would be considered tainted. And if this is their stragedy you can already cue up the plea deal. Nothing has been shown or even leaked that would support GZ's claim of why he was suspicious. We all know why he was and unfortunately that reason ain't good enough.
 

TerryMathews

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They won't get those records and anything they gather from the web won't help them either. The boys accounts had already been hacked so anything gathered would be considered tainted. And if this is their stragedy you can already cue up the plea deal. Nothing has been shown or even leaked that would support GZ's claim of why he was suspicious. We all know why he was and unfortunately that reason ain't good enough.

By now classy, haven't you learned that nothing in this case is clear cut?

There is a decent (note I'm not saying 100%) chance this could go if an element of the prosecutions case is that Trayvon was a misprofiled model citizen. Could at least prompt the judge to review for relevance.

Never say never. You said Lester would never be removed. Spidey said Zimmerman would never be arrested.

All bets are off in this case.
 

OCNewbie

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They won't get those records and anything they gather from the web won't help them either. The boys accounts had already been hacked so anything gathered would be considered tainted. And if this is their stragedy you can already cue up the plea deal. Nothing has been shown or even leaked that would support GZ's claim of why he was suspicious. We all know why he was and unfortunately that reason ain't good enough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but many of the Twitter posts, and/or Facebook posts, were dated (which the dates aren't hackable, afaik) prior to Feb 26th, so the posts pre-date the hacking of the accounts.
 

Geosurface

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When you get right down to it, most people... especially most black people, know good and damned well how incredibly believable it is that Trayvon was immersed in that thug culture, they know how common that is among black youth.

They see his social media and they see how he dressed, how he posed for pictures, what he tweeted... they hear about the bag of jewelry, and they know god damned well what sort of person he was.

Because of this, they know that the version of events GZ lays out is not just possible, not just probable, not just believable... but the truth or damned near to it.

They simply don't care. They're deluding themselves and hoping to do the same to others because they care more about being anti-gun, making sure they're not RACIST, and keeping their head firmly buried in the sand regarding the realities of race and culture in our country, than they could ever care about the truth or law.

And there are a lot of black people in this country who know Trayvon was almost certainly the aggressor, they know how kids like that think... they just don't give a fuck. He's black, so are they, end of story. "My race, right or wrong" is the mentality. It was on full display with OJ as well. Even the child molesting Michael Jackson got a pass, because he had once kind of been sort of black.

It's disgusting, morality takes a back seat to race. No doubt at all who the most racist group in the US is in 2012, but they get a full and free pass because white people sliced their own balls off some time ago.
 

soundforbjt

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It was found in his blood, he smoked recently. Full results haven't been released yet...wonder why that is?

Somewhat true. the amount found could indicate it being as much as two or more weeks prior to that night. Now Georgie on the other hand wasn't tested and probably was on drugs that night.
 
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