Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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TerryMathews

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So lets summarize the thread.

  • Trayvon should have ran home because there was an armed assailant on the loose who was an imminent threat to him.
  • George Zimmreman acted irattionally, recklessly, and irresponsibly in dealing with the situation at hand.... but despite all of his poor decisions... he didan't actually break a law. He just showed that he was a dumb ass who probably should never have been licensed to own or carry a firearm to begin with.
  • Trayvon was once found to have jewelery and a screw driver which he claimed was not even his. He had no charges pressed against him and no crime was proven to happen.
  • George Zimmerman left his car to follow/chase Trayvon. After the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to follow, Zimmerman spent the next 2-3 minutes " not following " but somehow still managed to meet up w\ Trayvon despite the fact he was " Not following " according to the prosecution testifiying under oath that they had no evidence he continued to follow.
    He simply spent 2-3 minutes getting the nerve to go back to his car from which he was only 10-15 seconds away from when he acknowledge following Trayvon.... But there's no proof he was following him still. He just had his flash light in hand walking around because he was not following or looking for anybody.
  • The only evidence Trayvon went after Zimmerman is from a witness who's testimony would also prove Zimmerman gave a false statement to police and whatever related tampering with evidence charges would go along with it.

To your last bullet specifically, if you are correct why isn't he charged with it?
 
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How does it make you feel that zimmerman is going to walk?


No matter how much your racial bias "wants" it to be some other way, the fact is that your thug cherub got EXACTLY what he deserved.


Teach your friends and family this important lesson, don't let that thug's death be in vain.


"Remember Trayvon 2012" - If you choose to walk like a thug, talk like a thug, don't be surprised when you're treated like a thug.
 

lotus503

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How does it make you feel that zimmerman is going to walk?


No matter how much your racial bias "wants" it to be some other way, the fact is that your thug cherub got EXACTLY what he deserved.


Teach your friends and family this important lesson, don't let that thug's death be in vain.


"Remember Trayvon 2012" - If you choose to walk like a thug, talk like a thug, don't be surprised when you're treated like a thug.

Personally I think there is lack of evidence of murder 2 so I expect him to walk.

However I do not think that outcome is a forgone conclusion and the fact you approach it as such is just going to make it hurt that much more if it doesnt turn out like you predict.

I know for a fact the case has been used by my local police to outline some of the reasoning for NH rules etc. contrary to your narrow belief many many people see lots of things wrong with zimemrman's actions that night, in fact we have the biggest thread in the forum history in large part because there is more than one way to think and feel about the case.

Keep being ignorant though and thinking the world thinks as you do.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I know for a fact the case has been used by my local police to outline some of the reasoning for NW rules etc.

I suspect you will see neighborhood watch rules change due to insurance requirements and HOA's are going to adapt to whatever their insurance company requires. One of which will be concealed carry while perform NW duties and very possibly when observing it must be done from within a structure/car or more than a 50 yard distance.
 
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Every day people are killed under 'worse' circumstances with far FAR less facts that prove self-defense.


What detail is so important that you feel personally compelled to come in and defend this obvious thug from getting exactly what he asked for? Or is it just black and white as I suspected?
 

lotus503

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using spatial logic,

zimmerman is an obvious racist because he had myspace posts talking crap about mexicans.

Using spatial logic,

Zimmerman obviously committed and got away with a crime because he references getting over on myspace page , how his homies lying helped him get over on his EX.

Using Spatial logic,

Zimmerman obviously was a bully, child rapist, with a domestic violence history, because people said so.

Good thing for Zimmerman the rest of the world doesn’t use spatial logic.
 

lotus503

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Feb 12, 2005
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That specific font looks very familiar, I just can't quite place it


Maybe you saw it on one of martins social networking posts, you can now contend via font match, that I am in fact martin back from the dead to clear my name from internet screwballs.

Given its about as much proof of the other stuff you have claimed, why not.
 
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Maybe you saw it on one of martins social networking posts, you can now contend via font match, that I am in fact martin back from the dead to clear my name from internet screwballs.

Given its about as much proof of the other stuff you have claimed, why not.



No, it's a font one of the alt-account trayvon supporters were using. Tasha, maybe. Probably just a coincidence.
 

Tylanner

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GZ, the poster child for more strict gun purchasing regulations.

Give this idiot some mace to protect his infirm self and all we have is a wierdo chasing down an innocent child, GETTING HIS ASS KICKED, and then TM with sore eyes.

At the very least, GZ will never own a gun and will not have any position of responsibility for the rest of his days.
 

spidey07

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GZ, the poster child for more strict gun purchasing regulations.

Give this idiot some mace to protect his infirm self and all we have is a wierdo chasing down an innocent child, GETTING HIS ASS KICKED, and then TM with sore eyes.

At the very least, GZ will never own a gun and will not have any position of responsibility for the rest of his days.

You're very wrong. There is no evidence zimmerman committed any crime, in fact all evidence proves self defense and as such it would be against state law to prevent his 2nd amendment rights to own and carry a firearm.

"getting his ass kicked" is a serious felony, it's a forcible felony to be exact and as such your victim of the ass kicking can lawfully shoot you. The law is VERY clear. If you don't want to get shot, don't commit a forcible felony against another.

The way the evidence is shown, this is a picture perfect case of self defense and exactly why most states have laws to protect the victim of "getting his ass kicked".
 
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GZ, the poster child for more strict gun purchasing regulations.

Give this idiot some mace to protect his infirm self and all we have is a wierdo chasing down an innocent child, GETTING HIS ASS KICKED, and then TM with sore eyes.

At the very least, GZ will never own a gun and will not have any position of responsibility for the rest of his days.



Please... take away zimmerman's gun and trayvon would've been able to finish the brutal assault that he started.










 

TechBoyJK

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GZ, the poster child for more strict gun purchasing regulations.

Give this idiot some mace to protect his infirm self and all we have is a wierdo chasing down an innocent child, GETTING HIS ASS KICKED, and then TM with sore eyes.

At the very least, GZ will never own a gun and will not have any position of responsibility for the rest of his days.

There was 2 people? An innocent child and Trayvon? Where did the innocent child come into play? From what I read this is a story about a neighborhood watchman and a wanna be thug. Didn't realize there was also an innocent child involved.
 

airdata

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Thanks. I think we've both learned how to approach each other in this thread and apply it other threads as well. I'll be glad to see this case move forward to see how many things are disallowed due to being irrelevant. I suspect there will be people on both sides highly surprised and upset when things they've discussed without end for the past year is not allowed by the judge (GZ past & prescriptions, TM's suspected robbery & drug dealing/swinging on a bus driver.......)

I think airdata is going to act like a adolescent no matter how he's approached, you can tell by his last reply to me.

Oh, is that how I act?

When I prove you wrong time and time again and you refer to things that even you just agreed with as " Fairy Tales" I have a hard time taking you seriously.

And then there's the quote posts in which you don't even respond to the post you're quoting, but rather your own personal rendition of the post where you change key words and points made in the quoted post.
 
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Oh, is that how I act?

When I prove you wrong time and time again and you refer to things that even you just agreed with as " Fairy Tales" I have a hard time taking you seriously.

And then there's the quote posts in which you don't even respond to the post you're quoting, but rather your own personal rendition of the post where you change key words and points made in the quoted post.




 

airdata

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Originally Posted by Tylanner
At the very least, GZ will never own a gun and will not have any position of responsibility for the rest of his days.

Given his proven irresponsibility and his past felony charges, one could only hope he'd never be able to own a firearm again.
 

airdata

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That's nice spatial. You trying to be like me... it's cute and all. But I only post funny gifs and images after I destroy one of you bitches.

You just quote posted a solid post from me talking about how Londo posts and simply proved that you have nothing to offer to the thread.
 
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Given his proven irresponsibility and his past felony charges, one could only hope he'd never be able to own a firearm again.


Zimmerman should be the posterchild for gun owner's rights.


It's a perfect example of how to deal with a thug attacking you.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Oh, is that how I act?

When I prove you wrong time and time again and you refer to things that even you just agreed with as " Fairy Tales" I have a hard time taking you seriously.

And then there's the quote posts in which you don't even respond to the post you're quoting, but rather your own personal rendition of the post where you change key words and points made in the quoted post.

Please show where you've proved me wrong. I'm still waiting for you to refute the known facts with something other than fairy tales.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Given his proven irresponsibility and his past felony charges, one could only hope he'd never be able to own a firearm again.

Felony charges do not equal convictions, GZ must convicted of a felony to prevent him from owning a gun or conceal carry. Unless he's convicted of 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, or felony in this case his rights to own a gun and conceal carry will be reinstated as Florida is a shall issue state.
 

soundforbjt

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I guess this puts Soundforbjt in the airdata camp after all.
Replies in bold.

Guess you didn't read the guidline/rules given to GZ and all others present quote a couple of pages back...not surprising...since you asked which guidlines GZ didn't follow.

here ya go NOTE: GZ called this person to setup the NW)
She set up a visit for the next month at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community that had been dealing with a string of burglaries. When 25 residents showed up, a decent turnout, she had the residents introduce themselves; after all, people join the groups to look out for each other. She then gave a PowerPoint presentation and distributed a handbook. As she always does, she emphasized what a neighborhood watch is — and what it is not.

In every presentation, “I go through what the rules and responsibilities are,” she said Thursday. The volunteers’ role, she said, is “being the eyes and ears” for the police, “not the vigilante.” Members of a neighborhood watch “are not supposed to confront anyone,” she said. “We get paid to get into harm’s way. You don’t do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle.” Using a gun in the neighborhood watch role would be out of the question, she said in an interview.

Mr. Zimmerman was there, she recalled, and the local group appointed him their coordinator.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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So this is you agreeing that he didn't follow the guidelines and chose to stray from what he should have been doing to chase after somebody based on mistaken identity which was based on race.

Thanks Londo.

I don't see how you consider me stating the following as agreeing with you.

I wonder what their reaction will be when the judge rules that the NW guidelines are irrelevant as they not lawful or binding .

I saying you're going to be upset with the judge rules that the MW guidelines are irrelevant as they're not a lawful order from the police. They're suggestions and nothing more.
 
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