Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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emperus

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Here it is. The first small red box is just to show that his small flashlight, attached to his keychain, was illuminated when found. This seems to corroborate his claim that his large flashlight was not working (which some people claim is a lie). The second box details when the photos were taken (this is apparently the account of a photographer):

I think people were arguing that if he had another flashlight why was he scared to cross the T in the dark. He was just heading back to his car, No? That key chain flashlight would have worked fine for that purpose, No?
 

lotus503

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I think people were arguing that if he had another flashlight why was he scared to cross the T in the dark. He was just heading back to his car, No? That key chain flashlight would have worked fine for that purpose, No?

I think the keychain flashlight may have been drooped after the shooting possibly when he was cuffed.
 

OCNewbie

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I think the keychain flashlight may have been drooped after the shooting possibly when he was cuffed.

Negative. At least Witness 13, the guy that came out and took pictures of the back of GZ's head, etc, before police arrived, said that he saw the flashlight (the keychain one) on the ground near the T.
 

yours truly

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This has no bearing to the OP but I'll mention it anyway.

My friend told me why he ended up leaving South Africa and came to live in the UK: One evening in 1999, he's dipping his feet in the pool of his apartment complex in a gated community in Johannesburg, when he's sees two black guys walking around who he didn't recognise. He decided to go back indoors. He's not quite sure what to do and figures the black guys are up to no good. It later transpires they were armed and robbing the old lady next door. He picks up his handgun and heads out and catches them leaving. They see his firearm and instead of shooting back, drop their loot and run.

He discharged his weapon on them, hitting each of them several times in the back. One of them died on the spot, the other jumped over the wall. The police turn up and my friend explained what happened. They look at the wall. They said the amount of blood splattered across it, the guy wouldn't have got very far.

Did my friend go to the police station? nope. Did his case go to court? nope. He had to chase the police up a few weeks later to find out what was going to happen - the polices response - case closed.

And that is how South African justice works.
 

lotus503

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Negative. At least Witness 13, the guy that came out and took pictures of the back of GZ's head, etc, before police arrived, said that he saw the flashlight (the keychain one) on the ground near the T.

interesting I did not know that, well scratch that thought I guess.
 

Orignal Earl

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And that is how South African justice works.

I don't think using an example of South Africa just coming out of Apartheid is a good example to use.
That would be like holding up examples of lynchings as quick efficient examples of American Justice
 

emperus

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This has no bearing to the OP but I'll mention it anyway.

My friend told me why he ended up leaving South Africa and came to live in the UK: One evening in 1999, he's dipping his feet in the pool of his apartment complex in a gated community in Johannesburg, when he's sees two black guys walking around who he didn't recognise. He decided to go back indoors. He's not quite sure what to do and figures the black guys are up to no good. It later transpires they were armed and robbing the old lady next door. He picks up his handgun and heads out and catches them leaving. They see his firearm and instead of shooting back, drop their loot and run.

He discharged his weapon on them, hitting each of them several times in the back. One of them died on the spot, the other jumped over the wall. The police turn up and my friend explained what happened. They look at the wall. They said the amount of blood splattered across it, the guy wouldn't have got very far.

Did my friend go to the police station? nope. Did his case go to court? nope. He had to chase the police up a few weeks later to find out what was going to happen - the polices response - case closed.

And that is how South African justice works.

Ummm Yeah. There is so much crazy packed into this story. Don't even know where to being. Let me ask, what was the point of this story again?
 

yours truly

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Ummm Yeah. There is so much crazy packed into this story. Don't even know where to being. Let me ask, what was the point of this story again?

Well if you try reading the first line, I did mention the story had no bearing on the original post but it was something I thought worth sharing.

What else confuses you?
 

WHAMPOM

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Well if you try reading the first line, I did mention the story had no bearing on the original post but it was something I thought worth sharing.

What else confuses you?

I will post an example.

In a time past, not more then the middle of the last century. A young man left Chicago for a Summer visit to his Southern relatives. Out for a look around with a cousin, he whistled at a pretty young woman walking down the small town's street and was lynched that night.
 

yours truly

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How about you post a better example. One, preferably where you don't dance around the question. I don't have delicate sensibilities.
 

emperus

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Well if you try reading the first line, I did mention the story had no bearing on the original post but it was something I thought worth sharing.

What else confuses you?

Please tell me why you thought it was worth sharing, I mean besides showing you're an ignorant POS. Tell me why you thought it was pertinent to anything being discussed in this thread.

Do you even understand the history of South Africa?
 

Druidx

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Ummm Yeah. There is so much crazy packed into this story. Don't even know where to being. Let me ask, what was the point of this story again?

That’s funny coming from a guy who was linking to stories of racism in other countries, trying to deflect the fact he got caught in a lie to support his biased opinion concerning racism in this case.

The ever present summary, so you won't lose track.
Emp: It was racial
No it wasn’t
Emp: You are stupid, it was racial, even Serino said so.
No he didn’t, he said it wasn’t racial
Emp: But his mom is from Peru, and here is an article that says they are all racist.
But you claimed Serino said it was racial when it wasn’t, what does Peru have to do with it?
Emp: The cousin said he was a racist
She said the family was racist but couldn’t name a single time when GZ acted with any racial bias
Emp: I don’t care, you’re just being stupid of course it was racial.
But you claimed Serino said that when he said the exact opposite, why can’t you admit you are wrong.
Emp: I’m not wrong, that is what Serino said, I read every piece of evidence an know what he said. I would find it again but I have a life.
30 seconds later, here is the link you couldn’t find, proving Serino said the exact opposite of what you claim he said.
Emp: Of course he was a racist, didn’t you see my link about Peru.
I don’t care about Peru, I’m asking you to admit you lied to support your opinion it was racial.
Emp: Facts really don't matter to you GZ supporters
Actually they do, the fact is you were wrong, why can’t you just admit it?
Emp: I don't know what you are even talking about regarding the Serino point.
That fact has been pointed out to you over a dozen times but you’re to egotistical to admit you were wrong. Does that answer your question?
Emp: Why are you harassing me about a post from a year ago?
I’m not, I’m harassing you about a lie from 2 days ago.
Emp: Try this. See what percentage of the posts in the last 4 days has been devoted to me and this issue.
Dozens but that is only because you still haven’t admitted you lied even though it’s right there in black and white.
Emp: I'm just like Martin Luther King Jr. would you call MLK a racist?
No. but I would call a liar a liar, regardless of their race.
Emp: I'm just like Martin Luther King Jr.
So you’re saying MLK was a liar?
Emp: The racism is free and flowing on this page.
Is that how you justify to yourself for lying about the facts of the case?
Emp: Links to some random blog about Obama’s racist White House Correspondents' Dinner
Was that lady related to you by chance, because she sounds a lot like you, making up shit to support her own preconceived and bigoted opinions.
Emp: Racism in this case can only be one sided, anyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist and need to STFU
Sadly, he still doesn't understand his whole argument about racism started out with a lie, so it's based on a false premises.
Emp: Post an excerpt from a newspaper column that says all white Americans are racist
Sadly poor Emp doesn’t understand that just because he found someone that shared his warped view of the world, doesn’t change the fact he had to lie to support his opinion.
 

yours truly

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Please tell me why you thought it was worth sharing, I mean besides showing you're an ignorant POS. Tell me why you thought it was pertinent to anything being discussed in this thread.

Do you even understand the history of South Africa?

Who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and what I can't post? If you take umbrage with that I said, then it shows what a petty little turd you are.

The thread is about a black kid being shot in a gated community, and I mention a story about 2 black guys being shot also in a gated community. No, my post doesn't add to the original post but I did say that before I started, so little weasles like yourself wouldn't work themselves up.

Yes, I'm aware of the history of South Africa, just like I'm aware there many intelligent posters in P&N but just as many parasites too.

I imagine you're a difficult shit to deal with in the real world. Your place is here on the internet - you're safe here.

I'll stay out of P&N and stick to technical. I'll leave you and your intellect to chase your own tail.
 

emperus

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Who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and what I can't post? If you take umbrage with that I said, then it shows what a petty little turd you are.

The thread is about a black kid being shot in a gated community, and I mention a story about 2 black guys being shot also in a gated community. No, my post doesn't add to the original post but I did say that before I started, so little weasles like yourself wouldn't work themselves up.

Yes, I'm aware of the history of South Africa, just like I'm aware there many intelligent posters in P&N but just as many parasites too.

I imagine you're a difficult shit to deal with in the real world. Your place is here on the internet - you're safe here.

I'll stay out of P&N and stick to technical. I'll leave you and your intellect to chase your own tail.

Let's see, where do I begin.

I asked you what your point is so I can give you a chance to walk it back and prove you're not a racist turd. But, I assume you realized how the story came across, decided there was no way to walk it back or didn't care to walk it back and took the route of feigned indignation. What amazes me is I'm sure that you've told this story before and by my guess no one around you has criticized you for it.

Your story is just pretty "WOW" to believe you told it. Again, what point were you trying to make? I can think of a couple but they are all too shocking to believe.

Yeah, I took umbrage. The question you should be asking yourself is, "Why hasn't anyone else I've told the story to taken umbrage at it"?

I think you may be spending too much time in that technical section. Get out, get some sun, maybe a tan, socialize...
 
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lotus503

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This has no bearing to the OP but I'll mention it anyway.

My friend told me why he ended up leaving South Africa and came to live in the UK: One evening in 1999, he's dipping his feet in the pool of his apartment complex in a gated community in Johannesburg, when he's sees two black guys walking around who he didn't recognise. He decided to go back indoors. He's not quite sure what to do and figures the black guys are up to no good. It later transpires they were armed and robbing the old lady next door. He picks up his handgun and heads out and catches them leaving. They see his firearm and instead of shooting back, drop their loot and run.

He discharged his weapon on them, hitting each of them several times in the back. One of them died on the spot, the other jumped over the wall. The police turn up and my friend explained what happened. They look at the wall. They said the amount of blood splattered across it, the guy wouldn't have got very far.

Did my friend go to the police station? nope. Did his case go to court? nope. He had to chase the police up a few weeks later to find out what was going to happen - the polices response - case closed.

And that is how South African justice works.

Good thing it wasn't in the US or your friend would be facing murder charges. I don't find shooting fleeing suspects in the back anything but murder. I do think this is the scenario that some here dream about though.
 

yours truly

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Let's see, where do I begin.

I asked you what your point is so I can give you a chance to walk it back and prove you're not a racist turd. But, I assume you realized how the story came across, decided there was no way to walk it back or didn't care to walk it back and took the route of feigned indignation. What amazes me is I'm sure that you've told this story before and by my guess no one around you has criticized you for it.

Your story is just pretty "WOW" to believe you told it. Again, what point were you trying to make? I can think of a couple but they are all too shocking to believe.

Yeah, I took umbrage. The question you should be asking yourself is, "Why hasn't anyone else I've told the story to taken umbrage at it"?

I think you may be spending too much time in that technical section. Get out, get some sun, maybe a tan, socialize...

I was going to leave it. You had a dig at me, I have one back. The balance is restored.

But sorry I have to come back. I'm a racist turd?! Are you fucking serious? How am I racist? What part of my post was racist? The bit about South African justice?

Jesus, you really did take offence? fucking lol. I was just relaying a story which I heard, and no, up until now I hadn't mentioned before. Why would anyone take offence to it? I did nothing.
 

emperus

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I was going to leave it. You had a dig at me, I have one back. The balance is restored.

But sorry I have to come back. I'm a racist turd?! Are you fucking serious? How am I racist? What part of my post was racist? The bit about South African justice?

Jesus, you really did take offence? fucking lol. I was just relaying a story which I heard, and no, up until now I hadn't mentioned before. Why would anyone take offence to it? I did nothing.

I asked you if you understand South African History, you said yes. So, you should understand all the racism involved in your story. Especially why the police didn't do anything about it. It is not South African Justice, it is South African White justice.

And the fact that you still see nothing wrong with it is just mind blowing. Pick up a book on South Africa apartheid. My gosh.
 

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Wow

So the defense released Trayvon Martin's texts, which they had been trying to get from the prosecution for ages it seems.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

If the following texts (which were deleted and then recovered) mean what they sound like the mean to me, it's no wonder the prosecution suppressed them for so long.

Long enough for Crump to get his settlement, which I very much doubt he could have won if this was disclosed beforehand.

2/21/2012 11:38:07 AM

Trayvon Martin: U wanna share a .380 w/ [redacted]??
[redacted]: who [redacted]
TM: [redacted]
?: wat with da money I gave u
TM: Yea nd he gon put in
?: how ima gt da fie
TM: yall gon split it
?: it gne b at my crib

Edit: bolded Martin's texts to make the conversation easier to read

Certainly sounds like Martin was trying to sell a gun less than a week before his encounter with Zimmerman. There were also photos on his phone holding a Smith and Wesson 40 VE

Also on 2/18 there were also deleted texts from someone offering to sell him a 22 revolver

If he was selling guns, suddenly him trying to take Zimmerman's gun makes a lot more sense now.
 
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echo4747

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Wow

So the defense released Trayvon Martin's texts, which they had been trying to get from the prosecution for ages it seems.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

If the following texts (which were deleted and then recovered) mean what they sound like the mean to me, it's no wonder the prosecution suppressed them for so long.

Long enough for Crump to get his settlement, which I very much doubt he could have won if this was disclosed beforehand.

2/21/2012 11:38:07 AM

Trayvon Martin: U wanna share a .380 w/ [redacted]??
[redacted]: who [redacted]
TM: [redacted]
?: wat with da money I gave u
TM: Yea nd he gon put in
?: how ima gt da fie
TM: yall gon split it
?: it gne b at my crib

Certainly sounds like Martin was trying to sell a gun less than a week before his encounter with Zimmerman. There were also photos on his phone holding a Smith and Wesson 40 VE

Also on 2/18 there were also deleted texts from someone offering to sell him a 22 revolver

If he was selling guns, suddenly him trying to take Zimmerman's gun makes a lot more sense now.

although the sender name is blacked out i would bet this was sent from Dee Dee to TM:

Bae y yuu always fightinqq man, u qot suspended?
 

Druidx

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Let's see, where do I begin.

I asked you what your point is so I can give you a chance to walk it back and prove you're not a racist turd.
I remember when you were caught in a lie to support your biased views concerning racism in this case, You were given several chances to dial it back and prove you weren’t a lying POS. What did you do, you doubled down on the lie than claimed you were just like Martin Luther King and posted a link to some column that claimed all white people were racist.
 
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