Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[yours truly]

I asked you if you understand South African History, you said yes. So, you should understand all the racism involved in your story. Especially why the police didn't do anything about it. It is not South African Justice, it is South African White justice.

And the fact that you still see nothing wrong with it is just mind blowing. Pick up a book on South Africa apartheid. My gosh.

Listen, and try to understand what I'm saying. It's very simple.

Where in God's name did I mention I see nothing wrong with it? I mentioned the story because it is fucking shocking. When my friend told me, I wasn't laughing, he wasn't laughing and he's still dealing with the consequences of his actions, ie, therapy classes, meds for PTSD. He left his family in South Africa and settled half a world away because he couldn't cope.

But apparently me regurgitating a story makes a nazi.

Well done you. Have a gold star. Now fuck off.

 

[Druidx]

Wow

So the defense released Trayvon Martin's texts, which they had been trying to get from the prosecution for ages it seems.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

If the following texts (which were deleted and then recovered) mean what they sound like the mean to me, it's no wonder the prosecution suppressed them for so long.

Long enough for Crump to get his settlement, which I very much doubt he could have won if this was disclosed beforehand.

2/21/2012 11:38:07 AM

Trayvon Martin: U wanna share a .380 w/ [redacted]??
[redacted]: who [redacted]
TM: [redacted]
?: wat with da money I gave u
TM: Yea nd he gon put in
?: how ima gt da fie
TM: yall gon split it
?: it gne b at my crib

Edit: bolded Martin's texts to make the conversation easier to read

Certainly sounds like Martin was trying to sell a gun less than a week before his encounter with Zimmerman. There were also photos on his phone holding a Smith and Wesson 40 VE

Also on 2/18 there were also deleted texts from someone offering to sell him a 22 revolver

I wonder how long it will take for Classy to post claiming this is damaging to the defense. LMAO

 

[TerryMathews]

I wonder how long it will take for Classy to post claiming this is damaging to the defense. LMAO

Emp will tell us it doesn't matter and DVC will tell us how it will never make it to the jury.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Emp will tell us it doesn't matter and DVC will tell us how it will never make it to the jury.

Lol so true.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I asked you if you understand South African History, you said yes. So, you should understand all the racism involved in your story. Especially why the police didn't do anything about it. It is not South African Justice, it is South African White justice.

And the fact that you still see nothing wrong with it is just mind blowing. Pick up a book on South Africa apartheid. My gosh.

And how do you know that this is SA White Justice.

What was the race of the police?

This was after the shift in power. - the blacks natives were in power.

Or are you again making assumptions that because black criminals were killed that the white establishment did not care.

Ignoring that the police were not interested because criminals were killed in the act of committing a violent crime.

So where are the racial aspects

 

[emperus]

And how do you know that this is SA White Justice.

What was the race of the police?

This was after the shift in power. - the blacks natives were in power.

Or are you again making assumptions that because black criminals were killed that the white establishment did not care.

Ignoring that the police were not interested because criminals were killed in the act of committing a violent crime.

So where are the racial aspects

Have you ever been to S. Africa? I think you should bone up on your South African history as well.

 

[echo4747]

Emp will tell us it doesn't matter and DVC will tell us how it will never make it to the jury.

Well ... with the current judge..it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't make it to the jury..

anyway its out there for anyone interested to look for it

 

[Tom]

I asked you if you understand South African History, you said yes. So, you should understand all the racism involved in your story. Especially why the police didn't do anything about it. It is not South African Justice, it is South African White justice.

And the fact that you still see nothing wrong with it is just mind blowing. Pick up a book on South Africa apartheid. My gosh.

Why do you think he thinks there's nothing wrong with it ?

I got the impression his point was that it was outrageous.

 

[Druidx]

Evening with how much is redacted, the stuff on TM phone is pretty bad. Kicked out of his moms house months before he was killed.

 

[Tom]

Evening with how much is redacted, the stuff on TM phone is pretty bad. Kicked out of his moms house months before he was killed.

Lots of kids get kicked out of one or the other of their parents houses. Happened to me several times.

Has nothing to do with anything.

Look, this process some of you are engaging in, loking at fragments of a person's life to try to find a reason why its ok he was shot to death..its really beyond the pale.

He could have been a horrible gang member high on crack, and that would not justify his killing.

Or, he could have been the class president, football quarterback, and the killing could have been justified.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The thug was trafficking firearms and he's still a cherub martyr... You've gotta be kidding..

 

[werepossum]

Evening with how much is redacted, the stuff on TM phone is pretty bad. Kicked out of his moms house months before he was killed.

It certainly is bad, but I don't see how it gets to a jury unless the prosecution pushes the "Trayvon = angel" angle.

"Kicked out of his moms house months before he was killed" is certainly one way to look at it. Another way would be "Sent to live with his father because Trayvon was moving toward a thug lifestyle and needed some fatherly discipline to get him back on the straight and narrow." Which, sadly, does not appear to have been provided - although we really have only one brief window into that family dynamic so that may be grossly unfair to his father.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

He was not just "moving towards" a thug lifestyle......

 

[Druidx]

Lots of kids get kicked out of one or the other of their parents houses. Happened to me several times.

Has nothing to do with anything.

Look, this process some of you are engaging in, loking at fragments of a person's life to try to find a reason why its ok he was shot to death..its really beyond the pale.

He could have been a horrible gang member high on crack, and that would not justify his killing.

Or, he could have been the class president, football quarterback, and the killing could have been justified.

Just stating the simple fact that TM wasn’t the person he was portrayed as. Did you remember hearing how he was kicked out, I certainly don’t.
There is ample evidence from his own phone about fighting but Deedee claimed in her testimony to BDR that TM never been in a fight, he wasn’t that kind of person.

As far as your claim we are trying to find fragments of a person's life to try to find a reason why its ok he was shot to death. That’s just stupid .
I think he was shot to death because he attacked someone, that’s as simple as it gets. The ONLY reason this other stuff is even relevant is because people on the other side didn’t try to make this case about the fact, instead they tried to make it about how the big white stalking racist hunted down the little black kid who had never done anything wrong. I’m sorry if you fell for that distraction from the facts and now had it blow up in your face.

 

[werepossum]

Listen, and try to understand what I'm saying. It's very simple.

Where in God's name did I mention I see nothing wrong with it? I mentioned the story because it is fucking shocking. When my friend told me, I wasn't laughing, he wasn't laughing and he's still dealing with the consequences of his actions, ie, therapy classes, meds for PTSD. He left his family in South Africa and settled half a world away because he couldn't cope.

But apparently me regurgitating a story makes a nazi.

Well done you. Have a gold star. Now fuck off.

Thank you for the explanation, as I too was unsure of your point. Seems to me odd that your friend would blame South African justice for his own guilt in mortally shooting two fleeing men in the back, but I'm sure there are severe emotional consequences for doing so, assuming your friend is a decent person. In this nation however he likely would have been arrested and prosecuted; I'm not sure if that would help assuage his guilt, but most people find that a less than desirable consequence. I do share the view of South African justice though; I have a buddy who is South African and grew homesick. He and his family tried a few years back to immigrate back, but unless you are rich enough to live in a walled community and have private security the nation is largely lawless. There's a good lesson here: If you keep the majority uneducated, uncivilized and violent, once they attain power you'll be ruled by an uneducated, uncivilized and violent majority. Or more simply, what goes around comes around.

I have no sympathy for the thieves - I think being shot is an acceptable risk if being a thief - but I can't see shooting someone in the back when he is fleeing. That isn't so much protecting your home and your stuff as punishing someone for even trying unsuccessfully to steal it. Either that's manslaughter at best and murder at worst, or it's reacting so quickly and blindly that one is a danger to those around.

 

[echo4747]

O'Mara supposed to be on Fox news shortly re: TM cell records

 

[emperus]

Listen, and try to understand what I'm saying. It's very simple.

Where in God's name did I mention I see nothing wrong with it? I mentioned the story because it is fucking shocking. When my friend told me, I wasn't laughing, he wasn't laughing and he's still dealing with the consequences of his actions, ie, therapy classes, meds for PTSD. He left his family in South Africa and settled half a world away because he couldn't cope.

But apparently me regurgitating a story makes a nazi.

Well done you. Have a gold star. Now fuck off.

1.) Your FRIEND shot two people in the back for stealing.
2.) You wrote the story and made sure you mentioned they were BLACK.
3.) You never said anything about being appalled or shocked at it esp. seeing it was your friend was the one handing out that justice.
4.) I'm confused. Why did he move? He couldn't cope with killing two people and having no one ask him nary a question? Seems like good living to me.

FYI, I asked you what the point of your story was, and again u never mentioned you were shocked by it.

 

[emperus]

O'Mara supposed to be on Fox news shortly re: TM cell records

I get the sinking suspicion O'mara is not trying to try this case in court.

 

[echo4747]

If the prosecution doesn't call Dee Dee to testify... Can the defense still call her to the stand?

 

[chucky2]

Listen, and try to understand what I'm saying. It's very simple.

Where in God's name did I mention I see nothing wrong with it? I mentioned the story because it is fucking shocking. When my friend told me, I wasn't laughing, he wasn't laughing and he's still dealing with the consequences of his actions, ie, therapy classes, meds for PTSD. He left his family in South Africa and settled half a world away because he couldn't cope.

But apparently me regurgitating a story makes a nazi.

Well done you. Have a gold star. Now fuck off.

:thumbsup: to your bud for doing what he did.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Emp will tell us it doesn't matter and DVC will tell us how it will never make it to the jury.

In fairness it most definitely would not make it to the jury, because it could have no possible relevance.

Character evidence of Martin as violent is ONLY admissible under FL law to the extent the prosecution introduces evidence of his peaceable character, which it won't. All the purported evidence of Martin as a burglar/drug dealer/thug is entirely irrelevant because it has nothing to do with anything Zimmerman knew that night. Martin could have been the reincarnation of Jeffrey Dahmer and it would have no relevance to this case, unless Zimmerman somehow knew about it.

I am not saying these things out of a desire to see Zimmerman convicted - I fully believe he should and very likely will be acquitted. It just won't happen based on the introduction of all this purported evidence of Martin's background, unless the judge is a complete moron.

I will offer yet again to bet that this evidence will not reach the jury. Any takers?

 

[chucky2]

If anyone in that area is paying attention to what's coming out, it's already reached the jury.

 

[Remobz]

Saw on the news today about new cell phone pics and text about trevon discussing about drugs and guns.

Looks like the kid was a typical wannabe punk.

More I find out info about the case the more I am on Zimmerman side.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

In fairness it most definitely would not make it to the jury, because it could have no possible relevance.

Character evidence of Martin as violent is ONLY admissible under FL law to the extent the prosecution introduces evidence of his peaceable character, which it won't. All the purported evidence of Martin as a burglar/drug dealer/thug is entirely irrelevant because it has nothing to do with anything Zimmerman knew that night. Martin could have been the reincarnation of Jeffrey Dahmer and it would have no relevance to this case, unless Zimmerman somehow knew about it.

I am not saying these things out of a desire to see Zimmerman convicted - I fully believe he should and very likely will be acquitted. It just won't happen based on the introduction of all this purported evidence of Martin's background, unless the judge is a complete moron.

I will offer yet again to bet that this evidence will not reach the jury. Any takers?

The defense has already stated that these photos will be used during the trial.

 

[yours truly]

1.) Your FRIEND shot two people in the back for stealing.
2.) You wrote the story and made sure you mentioned they were BLACK.
3.) You never said anything about being appalled or shocked at it esp. seeing it was your friend was the one handing out that justice.
4.) I'm confused. Why did he move? He couldn't cope with killing two people and having no one ask him nary a question? Seems like good living to me.

FYI, I asked you what the point of your story was, and again u never mentioned you were shocked by it.

Well they were black. If I do mention they are black, that doesn't make me a racist, and that doesn't mean what my friend did was right. He was wrong. And if he shot 2 white guys, it's just as bad. He didn't ask questions and he shot them. Yes that is murder and it was difficult for him to talk about. It was very hard for me to know what to say after that. 6 months prior to the murder, he was taken hostage in a bank robbery, with a shotgun pressed against his neck. Maybe that had something to do with how he reacted.

I was shocked. This is the first time I mentioned it, anonymously over the internet. I just thought you guys might like to hear it.

Either way, I offended you, and I apologise.