If you call accepting the decisions of the court, bs, why do you even bother quoting the law ?
So as I figured you have nothing to show there was the required probable cause just more parroting of BS.
"up to no good" isn't a fact. Its an assertion that Zimmerman made. And we don't have any way to know if he was telling the truth when he said it.
For all we know, everything Zimmerman said about Martin could have been entirely false, or embelishment, in an effort to convince police they should respond to his desire.
So if you want to look at this case, impartially, you can't assume things are facts that aren't established. For which there's even contradictory evidence, like the convenience store tape.
That's the entire nature of reporting a "suspicious person". That's how crimes are prevented before they occur, by bringing attention to a hunch, a feeling, or when something just seems off, but not necessarily when a crime is already in progress (which would thus defeat the "before" it occurs objective). That's also a main objective of NW organizations.
Or I could say: "For all we know, everything GZ said was spot on... he was accurately reporting what he saw, and any person with knowledge of the recent troubles in that neighborhood, and a keen eye for suspicious activity, would have done the exact same thing GZ did."
But in actuality, for all we know... we don't know anything. Unless Dee Dee reveals something that was said to her by Martin in those moments, we will likely never know, one way or the other, exactly what Martin was up to.
Had that convenience store been plagued with robberies? Is there anything odd about someone coming into a convenience store and purchasing candy and a drink? Does going into a convenience store and purchasing candy and a drink preclude someone from then continuing on to do something morally questionable?
How are you being impartial by assuming everything GZ has said is "for all we know" a lie, or an embellishment? Your posts consistently include an arbitrary set of "facts" that only serve to paint GZ as guilty. You appear to purposefully leave out certain other known "facts" that tell more of the whole story. I just don't understand how you feel you should be the one stressing the importance of "impartiality".
I've given you a reason why Zimmerman might have lied. That doesn't mean he did lie, it means we can't assume he's telling the truth.
I totally disagree with the underlined. In fact, I believe the default stance should be to assume that the defendant IS telling the truth, until proven otherwise. Otherwise, no innocent person has a chance at being innocent, if his/her story is assumed from the start to be a lie (or the opposite of the truth).
In fact, I believe that's the default jury instructions, to assume testimony is factual, until shown not to be (through cross examination, etc.). In this particular instance, this of course depends on whether or not any of GZ's statements are allowed in court, or if GZ actually takes the stand to tell his side of the story.
If you call accepting the decisions of the court, bs, why do you even bother quoting the law ?
My thoughts about race and this incident.
I consider accusing someone of being a racist or making decisions based on race a very serious charge that should not be done without a clear reason to do so.
1. George Zimmerman - its entirely reasonable to believe that Zimmerman could "profile" Martin for any number of factors and race would not need to be one of them. So there's no reason to think he used race in that way and accusing somebody of something like that without a good reason is just wrong.
2. Sanford police dept. - again, I think their inaction is explained by the chilling nature of Florida law with regards to being potentially sued if they get a self-defense case and don't get a conviction. I don't see any reason why race had anything to do with their actions either.
The Judge/court accepted the probable cause affidavit in good faith that the prosecution could prove the elements. Now over a year later all the prosecution has is a story that they have no evidence to prove such.
I hope when all is said and done, Corey and BLDR have lost their jobs as well as the state of Florida has paid out a healthy settlement to GZ for moving forward with this farce of a case against him.
If you were right, there would be no reason for the two different standards, probably cause and beyond a reasonable doubt, because you are saying by accepting there's probable cause the judge is assuming the prosecution can get a conviction.
That doesn't make sense.
The law has been posted for you many times.
There was no probable cause for prosecution therefore charging him is illegal by state law.
Zimmerman is going to be stinking rich for civil rights violations.
Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...merman-trial-hearing-20130527,0,2342996.storySANFORD With just two weeks remaining before his trial, George Zimmerman returns to court Tuesday for what may be his last pretrial hearing, a session that could turn into a marathon with his attorneys asking for a trial delay and asking that an especially damaging state audio expert be banned from testifying.
Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson will be asked to decide a long list of other issues, things that will determine how the trial plays out and what jurors will see and hear.
For example, defense attorney Mark O'Mara has asked that Nelson take jurors to the scene of the shooting, a middle- to working-class gated townhouse community on Sanford's west side where Zimmerman killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, 2012.
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Defense attorneys on Tuesday also will ask the judge to keep jurors' names a secret, something prosecutors are not expected to oppose.
One of the most compelling issues the judge must decide Tuesday is whether to allow the testimony of a state audio expert who says that in the background of a 911 call, he heard Trayvon in distress and in a trembling voice say, "I'm begging you."
In a four-page report to prosecutors, audio expert Alan Reich wrote that's what he heard after he cleaned up the now-famous 911 call by a neighbor that has screams in the background. He also wrote that Zimmerman was talking like an evangelist or carnival barker and said early in the recording, "These shall be."
Analysts at the FBI tried to identify the voice of the person screaming but gave up, saying the recording was too short and the quality too poor.
O'Mara has hired an expert, he said earlier, who will testify that the screams were from Zimmerman.
As if the Casey Anthony trial wasn't mind-blowing enough, here we go with the George Zimmerman trial.
In both cases, it seems getting a conviction takes precedence over finding out what really happened. So the public will be subjected to hours of mindless pap from the TV know-it-alls.
In the Anthony case, we still don't know the details of Caylee Anthony's death; when yet the prosecution went for first-degree murder. Thankfully, the jury got it right. No clear evidence, no conviction.
With Zimmerman, the evidence shows the probability of self-defense; yet the state goes for second-degree murder. Why? To calm the masses? It's obviously a tragic event with devastating consequences, but still the state seems to want to over-prosecute yet again.
Some more "Good Read":Good Read: (I recommend checking it out)
Trayvon Martin: Character Evidence or Character Assassination?
Posted on May 25, 2013 by Richard Hornsby (Criminal Laywer)
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2013/05/trayvon-martin-character-evidence-or-character-assassination/
MARTIN : Cause man dat awesome dude snitched on me
FRIEND : Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended?
MARTIN : Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot
FRIEND : Ohh, Well Damee
MARTIN : I lost da 1st round but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . .
FRIEND : Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal
MARTIN : Nay im not done with fool..... he gone hav 2 see me again
FRIEND : Nooo... Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh?
MARTIN : Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose
George Zimmerman returns to court for pretrial hearing
Defense attorneys will ask for a trial delay and that a state audio expert be barred from testifying.
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
6:51 p.m. EDT, May 27, 2013
Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...merman-trial-hearing-20130527,0,2342996.story
May 28, 2013
New Evidence Shows Trayvon's Life Unraveling
By Jack Cashill
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This story was pure fable from the beginning, and the attorneys knew it. Even before going public, they moved to seal Martin's school records, and with good reason. Consider this exchange between Martin and a female friend on November 21, three months before his death. After he told her he was "tired and sore" from a fight, she asked him why he fought. "Bae" is shorthand for "babe."
As his social media accounts show, Martin was a student of mixed martial arts. The fight followed the MMA format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent "got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn't do ntn." As his girlfriend complained, Martin was "always" fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013...s_trayvons_life_unraveling.html#ixzz2UadJa3jl
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May 28, 2013
New Evidence Shows Trayvon's Life Unraveling
By Jack Cashill
...
This story was pure fable from the beginning, and the attorneys knew it. Even before going public, they moved to seal Martin's school records, and with good reason. Consider this exchange between Martin and a female friend on November 21, three months before his death. After he told her he was "tired and sore" from a fight, she asked him why he fought. "Bae" is shorthand for "babe."
As his social media accounts show, Martin was a student of mixed martial arts. The fight followed the MMA format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent "got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn't do ntn." As his girlfriend complained, Martin was "always" fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013...s_trayvons_life_unraveling.html#ixzz2UadJa3jl
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I wonder if thegullibleracist sheep will riot when this is over.
VERY little of the phone evidence, pictures, text etc is going to be allowed.
Kinda surprised that the judge won't allow the fact he has has had MMA style fights, etc in or him trying to sell pot and using pot.
should be interesting to see how this goes in court.
The fighting could still come in depending on how the State presents their case. The drug use and drug test was deferred until hearing expert testimony.VERY little of the phone evidence, pictures, text etc is going to be allowed.
Kinda surprised that the judge won't allow the fact he has has had MMA style fights, etc in or him trying to sell pot and using pot.
should be interesting to see how this goes in court.