You remind me of my first wife, she always argued for the sake of arguing. Have a nice day arguing with yourself as I will waste no more time on you and your bs games.
Well, I guess that's a concession that you were wrong.
My post was relevant whatever topic was being discussed. You made a post of assumptions on why unjust laws don't get changed. I read it and my head hurt trying to figure out your argument which is usually a sign of a strained argument. I pointed out the assumptions and gave you some historical examples. You didn't question my argument or the examples, but instead chose an ad-hominem attack. I followed up asking you point out where I said what you said I said. And you again followed up with another ad-hominem attack.
Ask yourself this. If a state reviews a law and decides nothing needs to be changed does that necessarily mean the law was just?
Hopefully that's just a rhetorical question.
Eagle, your insults would affect me if I had any respect for you what so ever. You're just not a thoughtful person so your insights are next to meaningless to me.
I'm still amazed at how effortlessly you throw the racism word around especially since you seem to still not understand what it means.
Well, I guess that's a concession that you were wrong.
If he was not looking for trouble; then why this thread in the first place.Is that comment supposed to shame me?
The only thing I'm seeing in your post is seriously about 90% spin and 10% truth. I don't care about the word count, if you don't reference the common truth, it means nothing.
Just ONE example of your blatantly obvious spin and misrepresentations, among many:
"He [Trayvon Martin] came looking for trouble and he found it."
I'd laugh at the sheer stupidity of your assertion if the ugly racist mentality behind it weren't so tragic. In what world is a 17 year old kid enjoying a snack of iced tea and Skittles "looking for trouble?"
I honestly have searched my soul and I can't find any good answer to that.
When he returned to the t intersection to confront and begin jus brutal and vicious felony beating of Zimmerman.
That's looking for trouble, and it's begging to get shot. Martin would be alive if he didn't brutally attack a man who was doing nothing wrong.
If he was not looking for trouble; then why this thread in the first place.
He chose to go after Zimmerman and continued to do so for a period of time, even when Zimmerman was unable to do anything.
He could have stopped the beating once Zimmerman was on the ground; evidence shows that he did not.
He wanted to do the beating and found trouble at that point.
Had he left well enough alone by staying away from Zimmerman instead on going to confront him; he would be alive.
That is what I call looking for trouble.
I do not know in your social circles what you call it.
No, I am not trying to shame you; I am pigeon holing you.
There are racists on TM side
There are people on TM sides that look at the facts/evidence and wonder
There are those on the GZ side that look at the facts/evidence and wonder
There are the racists on the GZ side.
It doesn't matter where Trayvon Martin was headed - he could be headed to the moon. Zimmerman should NOT have followed him. Period.
He may not have initiated the physical contact, but he certainly initiated the fear-inducing behavior, which escalated the situation.
Just for the record, I have no problems with people being vigilant and alert against neighborhood crime. GZ handled the situation poorly, it cost TM his life, and I believe GZ needs to go to jail.
Even if he convinces himself and others his intentions were purely good, that doesn't bring Sybrina Fulton her son back? Nope.
Lol. GZ WASN'T A COP!!!
It doesn't matter where Trayvon Martin was headed - he could be headed to the moon. Zimmerman should NOT have followed him. Period.
He may not have initiated the physical contact, but he certainly initiated the fear-inducing behavior, which escalated the situation.
Just for the record, I have no problems with people being vigilant and alert against neighborhood crime. GZ handled the situation poorly, it cost TM his life, and I believe GZ needs to go to jail. Even if he convinces himself and others his intentions were purely good, that doesn't bring Sybrina Fulton her son back? Nope. Dude made a bad mistake and I feel for him, but that's the risk he took acting like that and carrying a weapon around.
That's pretty much all there is to it. The SYG is evidently unjust, it shouldn't allow for no punishment. Mitigated punishment, perhaps? OK. Zero punishment? NO.
First off, do we agree that preventing burglaries before they happen is a good thing, or must we wait until the burglary is in progress to take action?
I have no issue with GZ following him. Hell, I have a retail store and I shadow suspected potential shoplifters all the time. If it turns out my "gut instinct" (yes, I'm profiling) was wrong about them then I go about my business and they are non the wiser. If I witness them stealing something then I confront them at the door to hold them until law enforcement arrives. It has worked for myself and my employees for years.
I have no issue with GZ following him. Hell, I have a retail store and I shadow suspected potential shoplifters all the time. If it turns out my "gut instinct" (yes, I'm profiling) was wrong about them then I go about my business and they are non the wiser. If I witness them stealing something then I confront them at the door to hold them until law enforcement arrives. It has worked for myself and my employees for years.
People get hung up on the fact that the 911 operator told him to stop following TM. I just don't have a problem with that. What if GZ had complied with the operator and Martin had committed a crime?
Now was the shooting justified? Well, I guess that is why we are having a trial isn't it? I don't know enough about the case to really form an opinion one way or another. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out...
In YOUR store that is YOUR property, not partially public property.
And oh dear, you think they are none the wiser? YOU are none the wiser to how many of them knew you followed them, and how many left because you made them uncomfortable.
I, and many others, disagree with you. Period.
You don't know if TM was afraid or angry. You need him to be afraid to believe what you believe though, obviously.
TM's actions caused him to lose his life. TM had choices, his choices forced GZ into a situation where he felt he needed to choose who was going to die.
TM brought that part upon himself. GZ may have contributed to a confrontation happening, but he did not force TM to attack him and continually beat on him for an extended length of time. That was a choice TM made and Sybrina is living with her son's choices.
No problem. I don't have any problem with your opinion at all. However, I would like to get a little more information from you, just for clarity:
1. When you follow potential shoplifters, are you armed?
2timer said:2. Do you make your self clearly visible, so that they know you're the store owner looking for shop lifters, and not a random creep?
2timer said:3. Final question. As a retail store owner, have you ever verbally referred to a suspected shop lifter as an "asshole" or "punk" while following them?
You're so biased and ignorant, it's laughable. PSA: A flat denial is not the same as refuting a statement. Your post was an absurd string of denials, not a factual refutation. *shrug*
1. When you follow potential shoplifters, are you armed?
2. Do you make your self clearly visible, so that they know you're the store owner looking for shop lifters, and not a random creep?
3. Final question. As a retail store owner, have you ever verbally referred to a suspected shop lifter as an "asshole" or "punk" while following them?
You're so biased and ignorant, it's laughable. PSA: A flat denial is not the same as refuting a statement. Your post was an absurd string of denials, not a factual refutation. *shrug*
Forgive me for not reading through your entire post when the first lines were so slanted. I'm patient, but not infinitely so.
I must confess, yes! I'm in Florida myself and have been conceal carrying for the last 5 years. But carrying a firearm on me changes nothing. We having been doing this for years even before I started carrying.
No. We blend in with other customers and act just like them. If I were to announce to those who I suspected were shoplifting, they may abruptly leave without me actually putting my eyes on them stealing something else.
No, not while following. Although we have had plenty of words while we have held them at the door while LE is on the way.
And all you did was assert things without supporting WHY you assert them:
"It doesn't matter where Trayvon Martin was headed - he could be headed to the moon. Zimmerman should NOT have followed him. Period."