Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Darkman]

I am watching West's opening on HLN now (it's being repeated) .. and he actually looks and sounds much better on HLN than when I wathed him Live on the net in OS "watch and chat"...

He is doing quite well .. and making his points ...

 

[OCNewbie]

He didn't say he couldn't really tell anything but who was where, he said a lot more than that in his 2nd statement

Exactly. John said TM was doing one of two things: "trying to hold [GZ] down" or "still been hitting him".

He still says his first reaction was that TM was hitting him. We'll see what he says when he takes the witness stand.

 

[Druidx]

Something wrong with that?

So you get you facts from Wikipedia, that's fine. I just don't know why you said his nose wasn't broken because according to wikipedia it only said bloody nose and bleeding from the back of his head.
I guess you didn't bother to read the whole article or decided to read only what you want.
Also from the same article.

Police reports state Zimmerman "appeared to have a broken and a bloody nose and swelling of his face."

 

[Druidx]

Exactly. John said TM was doing one of two things: "trying to hold [GZ] down" or "still been hitting him".

He still says his first reaction was that TM was hitting him. We'll see what he says when he takes the witness stand.

Plus partially on the sidewalk and what he describes as a BAM BAM BAM motion.
Was that TM hitting GZ or hitting his head on the sidewalk, take your pick

 

[Jaskalas]

I am watching West's opening on HLN now (it's being repeated) .. and he actually looks and sounds much better on HLN than when I wathed him Live on the net in OS "watch and chat"...

He is doing quite well .. and making his points ...

He did well when I watched a large chunk of it, but if I had listened to that joke I would have been pissed off.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

LOL, the prosecutions opening statement struck me as a slightly better version to the opening statement made in the movie Idiocracy. All this "evidence and shit"

Lol great analogy

 

[Druidx]

West started doing a little better before the lunch recess but he started off so bad he could only improve.

 

[soundforbjt]

West mentioned "massive bleeding", yet none of TM's blood on GZ's clothing? Surprising to me, especially since he had to wiggle free to get out from under TM's body.

 

[echo4747]

I am pro-GZ (but still open/willing to changing my mind)
As far as the prosecutions open statements I thought they did a fairly good job. I give it a grade of "B"

edited to add: I think Stutzman tweets are fairly good too

 

[2timer]

How's this for you. This is a diagnosis from the medical report of GZ's examination the morning following the incident:

A "diagnosis from the medical report"? Do you mean ''the medical report was shopped around to a number of experts, and one finally concluded 'closed fracture'?"

I'll take first hand accounts. Show me the first hand account of a medical doctor who examined Zimmerman and found the closed fracture, and I'd be happy to recant my statement. Until then, I believe you are full of shit.

G2G, bbl

 

[TerryMathews]

Because I read Wikipedia and it describes the injuries as "bleeding from the nose and back of the head." Why do you have to question everything I say? Do you think I'm a liar or something?

Yes.

 

[Darkman]

lol.. West .. re: bad jokes ))

 

[waggy]

oh what the fuck west is STILL fucking talking.

sigh.

 

[Darkman]

Rene Stutzman @renestutzman
#Trayvon's mom returns to c-room for 1st time since 'screams' audio. Jury back

 

[TmBlackFlag]

A "diagnosis from the medical report"? Do you mean ''the medical report was shopped around to a number of experts, and one finally concluded 'closed fracture'?"

I'll take first hand accounts. Show me the first hand account of a medical doctor who examined Zimmerman and found the closed fracture, and I'd be happy to recant my statement. Until then, I believe you are full of shit.

G2G, bbl

There was a picture floating around at some point which showed Zimmerman's nose to be in pretty bad shape. It was swollen and appeared broken. Is that picture not evidence or is it believed to have been doctored?

 

[Druidx]

I am pro-GZ (but still open/willing to changing my mind)
As far as the prosecutions open statements I thought they did a fairly good job. I give it a grade of "B"

I would agree, the prosecution knows they are weak on the facts so tried to make it emotional. Guy did a very good job pushing their theory of the crime. I would give Guy an 8 out of 10. West on the other hand started out with a 4, maybe improved to a 5-6 by lunch.

 

[Darkman]

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West: Burns show "contact shot" with #TrayvonMartin's hoodie, but not with body.

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West: Burns show #TrayvonMartin was "straddling" #GeorgeZimmerman. Gravity pulled hoodie away from skin, he says.

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West: Big Arizona drink was in hoodie front pocket, which also pulled it away from #TrayvonMartin's skin

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West on #GeorgeZimmerman's gun: "He just gets it out enough that it touches the fabric" of #TrayvonMartin's hoodie.

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West: #GeorgeZimmerman fired "after having his head smashed, his bell rung, his nose smashed" by #TrayvonMartin.

 

[Druidx]

West just called Guy a liar regarding Guys claim GZ pushed the gun into TM chest before firing.

 

[Jaskalas]

"Contact Shot" Gun in contact with the clothing but not skin.

Soda weighted the clothing in front.

 

[Druidx]

West explains no blood on TM's hands because they were not bagged at the scene

 

[Darkman]

West says GZ is responsible gun owner ...

... "GZ writes left handed but shoots right handed."

 

[Druidx]

Explains no bruising on TM's hands because he died so quickly after.

 

[Darkman]

Rene Stutzman @renestutzman
West: #Zimmerman 'had the gun & thank God he did.'

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West says photos weren't taken of #TrayvonMartin's hands, so can't know if there was blood on them.

Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS
West: #GeorgeZimmerman DNA found on #TrayvonMartin's clothes and vice versa. "The absence" of DNA "doesn't necessarily prove anything."

 

[Druidx]

Another great point from west, Guy said Tm's hands were under him when he died but there is also none of TM's blood on his hands either. Goes to explain Guys claim there was none of GZ blood on his hands.

 

[soundforbjt]

West explains no blood on TM's hands because they were not bagged at the scene

He doesn't know if they were or not is what he said.