Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Darkman

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I'm seeing at other forums that Rachel (DeeDee) will be on Nancy DisGraceFul tonight.

It also looks like Nancy is getting heat over her remarks about GZ eating tacos and churros at Taco Bell. I wonder how many of Mexican descent she offended and they complained to CNN. Sounds like she's no better than Paula Dean and should be fired by CNN for racist remarks.
Yes .. They just said on HLN that Rachel / DeeDee will be on Nancy Grace .... but ... she will be interviewed there by Vinnie, who is substituting for Nancy tonight ...

Looks like Mrs. Pig / DisGrace went into temporary hiding ..... - her 3rd day in a row already ...

She is taking a week off, maybe .. or something ....
 

Darkman

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Ben Crump ... on HLN .. talking to Ryan ...

Wants DOJ to do something ... so "our" children are not profiled and can safely walk home ...
 

werepossum

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In a very classy move by Fox News, on their show The Five I caught while flipping through channels a few minutes ago, after they were yapping back and forth about the Zimmerman case, going to commercial break Fox News fades out while playing the Beck song "I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me."

Seriously? This is the proud state of the media? I hate this country.
Sweet lord. This is part of the producer's responsibility, to make sure that embarrassing songs don't come up at bad times. No show discussing this case should have that song in the rotation at all.

Yes .. They just said on HLN that Rachel / DeeDee will be on Nancy Grace .... but ... she will be interviewed there by Vinnie, who is substituting for Nancy tonight ...

Looks like Mrs. Pig / DisGrace went into temporary hiding ..... - her 3rd day in a row already ...

She is taking a week off, maybe .. or something ....
Poor Nancy does not take being grossly wrong very well - which is odd considering the practice she gets.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yes .. They just said on HLN that Rachel / DeeDee will be on Nancy Grace .... but ... she will be interviewed there by Vinnie, who is substituting for Nancy tonight ...

Looks like Mrs. Pig / DisGrace went into temporary hiding ..... - her 3rd day in a row already ...

She is taking a week off, maybe .. or something ....

Hopefully HLN/CNN is considering firing her for her racist remarks. Had it been the Food Network/Cooking Channel she would have been fired.
 

Geosurface

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Hopefully HLN/CNN is considering firing her for her racist remarks. Had it been the Food Network/Cooking Channel she would have been fired.

I detest Nancy Grace and find her to be a vile person...

however, it is possible she just randomly pulled Taco Bell out of thin air as a random example of how "George is free and Trayvon is dead, George is able to get fat off of fast food and isn't deserving of our sympathy!"

I don't know whether it was that, or a deliberate choice to target GZ's ethnicity in the insult. Remember, most people don't think of GZ as Hispanic, they saw to that.

Now, more importantly... I feel that even if she was being racist, our society really really needs to get away from this behavior of descending on anyone who says something politically incorrect like a pack of hyenas and tearing them apart with Twitter assaults, petitions, and boycotts... MSM shaming until they can never show their face again. Until they are unhireable.

It is a really twisted behavior our society has gotten into.

So as much as I may hate Nancy Grace, I don't desire her personal destruction. I'd like to see her show and all shows similar to it off the air, but not because we convinced HLN to fire her... but rather because we as a society matured enough that we didn't consume crap like that, and there was no market for it.
 

Doppel

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I'm seeing at other forums that Rachel (DeeDee) will be on Nancy DisGraceFul tonight.

It also looks like Nancy is getting heat over her remarks about GZ eating tacos and churros at Taco Bell. I wonder how many of Mexican descent she offended and they complained to CNN. Sounds like she's no better than Paula Dean and should be fired by CNN for racist remarks.
Wouldn't that be beautiful. If the Hispanic community had some professional race baited a of their own like Al Or Jesse they might raise a stink about this, but probably they don't really care that much.
 

Patranus

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spidey07

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Bllack lady guest on HLN: "He shouldn've got out of the car" .... LOL

This line of reasoning is very racist. Basically what they are saying is he shouldn't have gotten out of the car, because he should know that a visious and brutal beatdown would have been the anticipated (and rightful/justified in their racist eyes) consequence.

Basically they are saying young black men are highly violent and you should expect them to beat you for getting out of the car when they are around and walking while black. It's fucking disgusting.
 

Geosurface

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I saw that earlier. He says he didn't write it but he agrees with the sentiments.

I have to say I disagree with the sentiments. The basic thrust of it is, if you're black you live a life of constant suspicious glances and ill treatment.

I realize I'm a white guy and I can't speak from personal experience the way a black guy could... but I can point out some things I have noticed in my life.

When I was in the Navy, some of my best friends were black guys. They were also very intellectual, and nice, affable guys.

One of the best ways to put it is, they were the kind of guys who did not care *one iota* about whether they seemed cool, or "hard" or like a tough guy badass of any sort. One of them would wear tweed jackets and corduroy pants... he'd hang out at jazz clubs and read The New Yorker. This was a 21 year old guy. He laughed readily, and had a glowing, open, NICE personality. I cannot imagine a person on this planet who, within moments of seeing him for the first time, would find him intimidating or threatening in any way. He was dark-skinned, too.

The other main guy I'm referring to was tall, lanky, and nerdy. He was a huge League of Legends addict and loved anime, would typically dress in jeans and a t-shirt... again, like the other guy, made zero effort to intimidate or appear cool, or gangsta, or anything like that, at all.

Where am I going with this?

I do concede with what this author is saying to a degree... I do agree that black men face more suspicion and rougher treatment from police, etc. I concede that a certain percentage of this is racism.

However, for the MOST PART, I believe it is much more to do with how someone presents themselves and how they approach the society around them. How they act, how they dress, how they carry themselves. How they speak.

If I see a white guy covered in tats and piercings, with a backward baseball cap and a wifebeater... sagging, and I do see white guys like that from time to time... I have a very strong repulsion reaction automatically. I keep an eye on white guys like that, and wonder if they're going to do something I should be concerned about. I remember one time in particular, about a year ago... I was headed into a grocery store and a white guy like that, driving a crappy car and looking around like he was making sure nobody was watching him... wife beater on, little trimmed gangsta goatee... and I made sure to take my GPS down and put it away in my car before I went in. I was concerned he'd break into my car. He and I were exactly as white as one another.

I feel that there are ways of living life which are available to everyone, some of them broadcast you are a societal miscreant and need to be watched, others broadcast you are a harmless, good-natured person and nobody has anything to fear from you.

The question is, what percentage of what this Lance Gross guy is talking about, is attributable to race, and what percent is attributable to those life choices?

I personally believe, partly because of my experience with those friends I mentioned, and also because of how I personally react to people (including being extra nice to black people, holding doors open, trying to be extra personable etc... which is a holdover from when I was a liberal) that it is FAR MORE to do with the way the person presents themselves.

As I said more than a year ago in this thread, who honestly believes GZ would've found TM suspicious if he was dressed like Steve Urkel and walking purposefully to a destination? And it's okay for people not to be Urkel! It's also okay for people to mistakenly profile someone as a thug and be wrong... those sorts of misunderstandings can and should be cleared up through talking!

That's the thing so many people just don't want to come to grips with... TM didn't die because of his race, his hoodie, his age, or because of GZ's profiling... he died for one reason and one reason only: the vicious physical attack.
 

spidey07

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His name is Rodderick Scott, a black man who shot an unarmed white teenager in self defense. He was found not guilty.

Where's the outrage? By all accounts it was a good shoot. The unarmed white teenager never laid a finger on the honorable Mr. Scott.
 

Zebo

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This line of reasoning is very racist. Basically what they are saying is he shouldn't have gotten out of the car, because he should know that a visious and brutal beatdown would have been the anticipated (and rightful/justified in their racist eyes) consequence.

Basically they are saying young black men are highly violent and you should expect them to beat you for getting out of the car when they are around and walking while black. It's fucking disgusting.

naw man black people don't get community policing. They even have a universal no snitching policy in the hood. So of course blacks wont understand checking someone out that may be up to no good. You must want to fight.
 

HumblePie

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Seems a much different case to me, legally and factually. I say the latter because there seems to be a lot witnesses, something we didn't really have in the TM/GZ case.

And I'm not sure the shooter's claim reaches the standard of 'imminent GBH or death':



Fern

This...

1) Dooley illegally brandished his firearm and made a verbal threat to use it within earshot of many witnesses.

2) The deceased stated his reason for placing his hands on Dooley was to separate him from the gun.

3) The deceased never used any force that would indicate bodily harm, nor did Dooley indicate he was no longer posing a threat with his firearm


All of this happened within easy view of many witnesses that all state the same thing. Dooley illegally killed someone based on the evidence.
 

Patranus

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His name is Rodderick Scott, a black man who shot an unarmed white teenager in self defense. He was found not guilty.

Where's the outrage? By all accounts it was a good shoot. The unarmed white teenager never laid a finger on the honorable Mr. Scott.

And yet when a Hispanic shoots an African American who was bashing his head into concrete Caucasians are racist.
#ProgressiveLogic
 

chihlidog

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I've decided that the Sanford PD is racist. I'm upset about it.

The dispatcher asked GZ if the suspicious person was black, white, or hispanic. This should offend most of you. Only these three races are capable of acting suspiciously? I'm offended. I may protest.
 

owensdj

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Rachel Jeantel just said on her HLN interview that she felt "attacked" by the defense attorney and "disrespected." Sounds like she has the same attitude as Trayvon. Someone questioning you is attacking and disrespecting you.
 

chihlidog

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Rachel Jeantel just said on her HLN interview that she felt "attacked" by the defense attorney and "disrespected." Sounds like she has the same attitude as Trayvon. Someone questioning you is attacking and disrespecting you.

She also told Piers Morgan that Don West is lucky shes a Christian woman or who knows what she may have done to him.

But no...of course, there's no WAY Trayvon Martin attacked GZ.
 

Patranus

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Rachel Jeantel just said on her HLN interview that she felt "attacked" by the defense attorney and "disrespected." Sounds like she has the same attitude as Trayvon. Someone questioning you is attacking and disrespecting you.

Its the victim mentality in mainstream black culture. Just watch MSNBC all day. All their African American hosts go on and on about how they teach their children they are victims.
 

spidey07

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Rachel Jeantel just said on her HLN interview that she felt "attacked" by the defense attorney and "disrespected." Sounds like she has the same attitude as Trayvon. Someone questioning you is attacking and disrespecting you.

To them disrespectin is an attack and is to be met with a brutal and vicious beatdown.

Listen to what they say, understand their thought process, pay attention. It's real and it's ingrained into their minds and very outlook on life and others. It is a very weird, unlawful and foreign concept to us.
 
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spidey07

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LOL! I swear I can't make this shit up!

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/17/Rachel-Jeantel-Says-Martin-Threw-the-First-Punch
In an interview with Marc Lamont Hill, Rachel Jeantel says she believes Trayvon Martin threw the first punch in the altercation that ultimately led to his death. She also believes Trayvon was in fact beating Zimmerman but suggests he would have stopped short of killing him.

Hill's 25-minute interview with Jeantel offered a more detailed account of what she believes happened than has been revealed previously. "Trayvon was not doing nothing" Jeantel tells Hill.
 

owensdj

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The HLN interviewer told Rachel she said in her Piers interview that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Did anybody hear that in the original interview? She of course denied saying it.
 

Geosurface

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On Sharpton's show she said she felt disrespected by West asking her if she understood English - she AND Sharpton didn't understand why he asked that.

They apparently don't realize attorneys use questions to refute the other side. BDLR had just tried to imply in his cross that she had trouble in that regard.
 
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