Underage DRINKING

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Legendary

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I drink (only 17) but I always give someone my keys (which they hide) before I do it and never get them back until the next afternoon. Safest way. Kinda like that Bacardi commercial where the guy pops his own tires, except that is excessive.
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: SWirth86
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: SWirth86
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
It's against the law, so it shouldn't be done.
Thats not very good reasoning.
Why??

amish
Do you agree with all laws? There's tons of laws that I disagree with......

Just because there is a law against something does not mean it is morally wrong.

By saying something shouldn't be done because it is illegal shows that you would blindly follow the government, even if their laws went against your personal beliefs.

Makes no difference if they are contrary to beliefs or not. They are still the law and should be followed.

Then again, what do I know. I have no morals.

amish
 

vi edit

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I'm not for it getting dropped down to 18. Too many 18 year olds still in high school and make it to easilly accessable to minors. At 21, there is some seperation between the ages.

I have no problems with minors drinking under supervision with their parents though. If a father and son want to go out to a bar, have a burger, and order a beer or two, then I see no harm in it. Give 'em a three beer limit or something, but don't prohibit it.

I just forsee too many problems with a senior going out and buying a kegger for the whole football team. Just not a good situation.
 
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I agree with Amish - the law is the law. Whether or not you agree with it, it should be followed.

This law is out there to protect you from your adolescent selves. Many of you can't make quality decisions sober.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
This law is out there to protect you from your adolescent selves
Yes, how could have I been so foolish as to think that I could actualy know what is in my best interest. Thank god I have the government and Ashcroft looking out for me
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
This law is out there to protect you from your adolescent selves
Yes, how could have I been so foolish as to think that I could actualy know what is in my best interest. Thank god I have the government and Ashcroft looking out for me!

Yes, some adolescents are capable of looking out for themselves, but the vast majority are not.

amish
 

yakko

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If it is done responsibly then I don't mind as much. When I was a teenager I drank but we never left the house we were at and none of us drove anywhere. We also hardly ever had people drinking until they were passed out or puking either.
 

ScottyB

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
This law is out there to protect you from your adolescent selves
Yes, how could have I been so foolish as to think that I could actualy know what is in my best interest. Thank god I have the government and Ashcroft looking out for me!

Yes, some adolescents are capable of looking out for themselves, but the vast majority are not.

amish

I am not old enough to buy spraypaint(19), you must be 21. But alcohol is a different story.
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
I am not old enough to buy spraypaint(19), you must be 21. But alcohol is a different story.

haha is that the govnt's game plan to keep down graffiti?

thats funny sh!t.

 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: ScottyB
I am not old enough to buy spraypaint(19), you must be 21. But alcohol is a different story.

haha is that the govnt's game plan to keep down graffiti?

thats funny sh!t.

Graffiti and Huffing.

amish
 

ScottyB

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I was like OMG, I am not old enought to paint. Then I ranted about how I could shove a fvcking pencil up my nose also, so they better outlaw those.
 

Skawttey

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
You should be able to do anything you want in the privacy of your own home. Anything.

I TOTALLY AGREE.

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Even kill your family and burry them in the backyard?



Anyway, back to the topic. I think the drinking age in the United States should be 18. I believe the US is the only country in the world where the age is as high as 21. I like how britain does it. You have to be 18 to purchase alcohol but 16 and 17 year olds can have a beer with meals. I think the problem in the US, as soneone else has pointed out, is that alcohol is too much of a taboo. Just because you tell someone they can not have something, they will try to get it just to be defiant. I believe that if the drinking age was 16 or 18 it would cut down on the rebeliousness factor and there would be less problems with abuse.
 

Sketcher

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A drunk driver killed a friend of mine. My friend died slowly, unable to move - twisted in metal. The drunk driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and wasn't seriously injured. (not that further injury to the drunk would have been preferrable). My Friend's son survived the crash, but was also pinned within the vehicle... conscious, listening to his dad die.

It's hard not to have an opinion on irresponsible drinking, whether it be underage, excessive, legal or illegal.

I'll refrain from posting google statistics on the matter - but in spite of the fact that most youth are responsible, there are some experiences that do not allow a second chance, or take life away from others. It is those experiences, legal or otherwise that should not be championed as privileges, rights or norms of society.

Consistent Statistics bear out that the legality of an issue, does not enforce responsibility among those who are prone to irresponsibility. Meaning a teen who is willing to drink & drive, would likely also drink & and drive as and adult. Legality does however, tend toward keeping generally responsible people, more responsible.

But yes, I give a damn!! :|
 

Linflas

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When my grandfather was a teen they drank, when my father was a teen they drank, when I was a teen we drank, teens today drink. During that period of time the legal drinking age varied from illegal for all ages(Prohibition) to 18 to 21. The 1 common denominator was that any teen that wanted beer or whatever could get it period. At the risk of repeating myself alcohol usage is ingrained into human cultures for most of human history. They do not have these silly attitudes regarding alcohol in most countries I would be willing to bet that statistics would show an overall lower alcoholism rate as well as a lower rate of alcohol abuse. Children are raised without the attitude that alcohol is the ultimate reward of adulthood, rather it is the wine you have with supper, the beer you relax and have on a hot day, or the apertif you have after a good meal. It seems we Americans are doomed to never completely escape our Puritan origins. So we can continue generation after generation dealing with alcohol as we currently do and kids will continue to binge drink and do all the other abusive things that humans always do with forbidden fruits.
 

Gooberlx2

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Makes no difference if they are contrary to beliefs or not. They are still the law and should be followed.

Some laws are made to be broken. I can't imagine how my town would make enough $$$ without ticketing minors.

I believe kids should be able to drink with their parents present at any age, anywhere period. (That's the way it is in Wisconsin, I think)
I also like the idea of separate drinking and purchasing ages.
Personally, I think that at "adult" status you should be able to drink. If my a$$ is allowed to be drafted, pays taxes, has no criminal record, can star in porn, can buy a house, can be married, can have a kid, etc.: I want to be able to drink.

Oh well, it's a moot(sp?) point for me anyway, I'm almost 23. (2 years away from being able to rent a car)
 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
This law is out there to protect you from your adolescent selves
Yes, how could have I been so foolish as to think that I could actualy know what is in my best interest. Thank god I have the government and Ashcroft looking out for me!

Yes, some adolescents are capable of looking out for themselves, but the vast majority are not.

amish

Hell, the vast majority of people can't look out for themselves. Should we legislate morality laws for them as well? Treat people that are capable of acting as adults like children, and they will act like children. :|
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: hammer09
sucks for Texas-OU weekend doesn't it?

Originally posted by: ElFenix
until last september you could be the passenger in a car and drink as much as you wanted. that was nice. now they've closed that "loophole."

yeah really... now i have to wait until like the 3rd quarter before i'm drunk enough to comprehend at the same level as your average sooner
 

kami

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All I can say is it's great being a canadian. When you're 19 you can waltz into the beer or liquor store and buy as much as you want. I just turned 20 and I only get carded 1/10 times or so. It owns.

Come to canada. We got better beer anyway.
 

LaBang

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It depend on how young. I'd say in 7th grade 20% of kids have tried drinking. That is too young. But moderate use in high school is fine by me.

I'm underage, 18, and I drink to get drunk maybe once a month. I see no problem with it.
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: madcowdisease
Whether or not you agree with it, it should be followed.

Not that it applies in this situation, but have you ever heard of "civil disobedience?"

Yes, as long as you've heard of "Getting punished for breaking a law".

amish
 
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