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Londo_Jowo

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Again the article was fake and designed to appeal to idiots like you.

Let me help you! I'm going to write an article about how people on the internet with the username Londo_Jowo are idiots and they will believe anything they read on the internet so long as it agrees with their feelings. I will also write that any denial by people named Londo_Jowo will only illustrate their idiocy.
I will then point to said article and show you how you are an idiot because the article fits you to a T.

Now, using your logic, it would appear that you are an idiot, right?

Yes, we get it you such a smart little boy because Mommy told you so. The truth of the matter most young liberals are angry, condescending little pricks such as yourself.
 

ivwshane

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Yes, we get it you such a smart little boy because Mommy told you so. The truth of the matter most young liberals are angry, condescending little pricks such as yourself.

Lol! You didn't answer the question? Why not? Do you get it now? Yes? Good, now we can move on.
 

ivwshane

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I got it long ago, thank you for playing. It's too bad the person (moonbeam) it was supposed attract didn't take the bait.

I'll be waiting for your next assumption based attack.

As expected
 
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Moonbeam

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Have they figured out why the brain is routing things to those specific brain centers, or they still have no idea? I'd think that would be important to conclusively figured out, as that sort of either makes your irrational fixation on self validation somewhat relevant, or, confirms this irrational fixation as simply what it is now, which is a forum entertainment source. We eagerly await the response... ()

How so? Suppose something was being routed to those centers, for which no evidence exists, the implication I read in the research is that those are the centers that dominate showing different activity when liberals and conservatives are presented the same data, location wise in the brain. Certain kinds of identical stimulus seems to activate different parts of the brain in conservatives than liberals, with a consistency that corresponds to self identified party affiliation. Liberals seem to focus on a peaceful landscape with presented with one and another of something unpleasant, whereas the conservatives focus on the negative picture. The question I would ask is whether you believe this has been scientifically documented, whatever may be the implication. One assumption I could make is that conservatives may be better than liberals at first person shooters where target identification and acquisition is paramount in competitive games and maybe on a real battlefield too, though you probably won't find as many liberals there.
 

Moonbeam

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As expected

Oh I did. My first reaction was to kill myself immediately but fuck if I have a gun handy. You have no idea how painful it was to contemplate the possibility that I was anything like described. But then my conservative brain passed the hat to my right hemisphere and I said to my self, this fits no pattern I instinctively recognize and is likely a bunch of shit. And since I a I studied German, and saw the scientists name, I started to suspect something. But I'm glad for the experience and am now more fully aware of the terror you must face facing up to the fact that your brain prevents you from rational thinking. We need to find a way to feed you some liberal sense of well being, that truth is only a problem where we have too much ego.
 

werepossum

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Oh I did. My first reaction was to kill myself immediately but fuck if I have a gun handy. You have no idea how painful it was to contemplate the possibility that I was anything like described. But then my conservative brain passed the hat to my right hemisphere and I said to my self, this fits no pattern I instinctively recognize and is likely a bunch of shit. And since I a I studied German, and saw the scientists name, I started to suspect something. But I'm glad for the experience and am now more fully aware of the terror you must face facing up to the fact that your brain prevents you from rational thinking. We need to find a way to feed you some liberal sense of well being, that truth is only a problem where we have too much ego.
Now I'm wondering if we can convince you that you responded to the wrong person or if that will be perceived as only part of our conservative brain defects.
 

Moonbeam

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Now I'm wondering if we can convince you that you responded to the wrong person or if that will be perceived as only part of our conservative brain defects.

I certainly did. Thanks a lot. That's the second time in a hour or so when I contemplated suicide.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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So I guess where we are is that there are many peer reviewed papers showing a connection between physical brain differences between liberals and conservatives and characteristics associated with those parts of the brain, but none denying that connection, is that correct. My dear friend LunarRay suggested to me this morning while we were playing Diablo that I seek to get some agreement on that?

So my dear conservative friends, are you aware that a host of peer reviewed studies point to these differences, and if so how do you interpret the findings? Are conservatives more likely than liberals to deny bad news for the ego, do they focus more on the negative, are they more magnetized by fear, are they more into authority, obedience, respect for superiors etc etc etc, to list a few observations listed in the science as peer corroborated finding.

No, not at all.

Side note. It's strange when you write about your dear friend LunarRay, because I can't help wondering if you're referring to yourself. Then I wonder if he's an imaginary friend, or an actual voice in your head, that leads me to the thought that while I think your crazy, I don't think you're schizophrenic (call it a fun kind of crazy), which leads me back to wondering if there really is a person other than you using that name here. It's like a little two second loop that runs every time one of you mentions the other.
 
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Moonbeam

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Greenman: No, not at all.

M: What? But but but who do you think you are, the Holy Roman Church? You can't just say that black is white and get anybody but a good Catholic to believe it Are you crazy?

Check out this experiment and write me a post on why everything said there is correct:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0059837#pone-0059837-g002

G: Side note. It's strange when you write about your dear friend LunarRay, because I can't help wondering if you're referring to yourself. Then I wonder if he's an imaginary friend, or an actual voice in your head, that leads me to the thought that while I think your crazy, I don't think you're schizophrenic (call it a fun kind of crazy), which leads me back to wondering if there really is a person other than you using that name here. It's like a little two second loop that runs every time one of you mentions the other.

M: I mention him as often as I can find reason to because it tickles the shit out of me to read such silliness as this. His ass better be real because or I just wasted 60 bucks sending a figment of my imagination an espresso maker. You know, but come to think of it, I have exactly the same kind. Wait, never mind, I don't live at the same address and I didn't get mine in the mail. Also he says I'm an INFP and he says he's INFJ and as far as I'm concerned with PJs you can out this nonsense we're the same person to bed.
 

werepossum

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I certainly did. Thanks a lot. That's the second time in a hour or so when I contemplated suicide.
Ah, the world would be a dimmer place without you, Moonbeam.

No, not at all.

Side note. It's strange when you write about your dear friend LunarRay, because I can't help wondering if you're referring to yourself. Then I wonder if he's an imaginary friend, or an actual voice in your head, that leads me to the thought that while I think your crazy, I don't think you're schizophrenic (call it a fun kind of crazy), which leads me back to wondering if there really is a person other than you using that name here. It's like a little two second loop that runs every time one of you mentions the other.
Sometimes I feel like the only person who doesn't find Moonie and LunarRay to be indistinguishable.
 

LunarRay

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No, not at all.

Side note. It's strange when you write about your dear friend LunarRay, because I can't help wondering if you're referring to yourself. Then I wonder if he's an imaginary friend, or an actual voice in your head, that leads me to the thought that while I think your crazy, I don't think you're schizophrenic (call it a fun kind of crazy), which leads me back to wondering if there really is a person other than you using that name here. It's like a little two second loop that runs every time one of you mentions the other.


Moonster and I or really he... has a Ventrilo thing that we use to speak to each other. We play Diablo 3 and at times we are talking about you folks instead of the mobs we're trying to proceed through... So!

Why not ask him to arrange a time when we both are on and you can put this issue to sleep. I suggested this a few times now but you folks want to maintain your line of thinking.
Me thinks this vent thing should satisfy you as to me and Moonster being who we are.

()
 

Greenman

Lifer
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Sorry, not interested in the experiment, and certainly not interested in writing about it. Your mind is made up, and there is zero possibility of me changing it, so it's an exorcise in futility that isn't amusing. Just not worth more than 30 seconds of my time.

Don't get so defensive about LR, it's not like anyone really cares, or that it matters at all, it's just an interesting little thought that runs around inside my head once in a while. You can be whoever you choose to be, or as many as you want to be, and I don't mind at all.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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Moonster and I or really he... has a Ventrilo thing that we use to speak to each other. We play Diablo 3 and at times we are talking about you folks instead of the mobs we're trying to proceed through... So!

Why not ask him to arrange a time when we both are on and you can put this issue to sleep. I suggested this a few times now but you folks want to maintain your line of thinking.
Me thinks this vent thing should satisfy you as to me and Moonster being who we are.

()

It's not worth the effort, as I just said to moonie, it's of no consequence what so ever. I certainly wouldn't put any effort into proving that I'm not moonie, so I don't expect it from you. Though you do have to admit that you seem to pop up at the most opportune times.
 

LunarRay

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Ah, the world would be a dimmer place without you, Moonbeam.


Sometimes I feel like the only person who doesn't find Moonie and LunarRay to be indistinguishable.


One thing for sure... He is much more tenacious than I could ever be regarding the battles he undertakes.

Some in here are light weights muddling along while others are pretty sharp but just as confined within the conduit of their thinking and still others allow reality to guide their thinking. The latter know and know they know and that's about it.
I figure when it is obvious one has the mass of a photon (zero) I waste my time pointing out that time does not exit for the photon and the conduit is but a shield from reality.
 

LunarRay

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It's not worth the effort, as I just said to moonie, it's of no consequence what so ever. I certainly wouldn't put any effort into proving that I'm not moonie, so I don't expect it from you. Though you do have to admit that you seem to pop up at the most opportune times.

I don't often post but do read quite a few posts on a variety of topics.

You may not expect you to provide a means to an end but I feel it would settle some of the allegations of two accounts and stuff that does go to our character. But, if you all are just kidding us then ok I'll not bother.
 

ivwshane

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Considering a poster was recently banned for creating an alt account after one post, the matter should be pretty much settled. It does allow for an easy cop out though.
 

Moonbeam

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Sorry, not interested in the experiment, and certainly not interested in writing about it. Your mind is made up, and there is zero possibility of me changing it, so it's an exorcise in futility that isn't amusing. Just not worth more than 30 seconds of my time.

Don't get so defensive about LR, it's not like anyone really cares, or that it matters at all, it's just an interesting little thought that runs around inside my head once in a while. You can be whoever you choose to be, or as many as you want to be, and I don't mind at all.

You should be interested. The link describes how conservatives more than liberals avoid any data that points out they avoid such data.
 

OverVolt

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You should be interested. The link describes how conservatives more than liberals avoid any data that points out they avoid such data.

You know you project that onto all the conservatives, its the stereotypical 65 year old high school educated fox new watching retiree that is skewing the statistics. There is actually a whole new generation of lower 20's conservatives who got to watch the last 8 years of Obama growing up so you'll be singing that same tune long after its not true anymore.

There aren't that many 65 year olds posting on ATOT though so you are basically ranting over and over again on this forum about a small group of people but if you look at the older conservatives who post here individually they don't even fit the stereotype that you've read 10,000 articles about.
 
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dank69

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You know you project that onto all the conservatives, its the stereotypical 65 year old high school educated fox new watching retiree that is skewing the statistics. There is actually a whole new generation of lower 20's conservatives who got to watch the last 8 years of Obama growing up so you'll be singing that same tune long after its not true anymore.

There aren't that many 65 year olds posting on ATOT though so you are basically ranting over and over again on this forum about a small group of people but if you look at the older conservatives who post here individually they don't even fit the stereotype that you've read 10,000 articles about.
Yet here we see Greenman saying in black and white that he is not interested in the data. Perhaps you could check out the experiment and tell us what is wrong with it, unless you are also afraid of the data?
 

FerrelGeek

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paragraph 1 ^^^

Psychology IS a weak science and is easily abused

paragraph 2 ^^^

Using history to back up my claim. Moony totally missed my intent here. None of what I cited was actual science, but using a 'weak science' in an abusive way.

paragraph 3 ^^^



paragraph 4 ^^^

Ok, you only quoted paragraph 4 and I was in a big rush when I responded so didn't have time to review my original post. Not unreasonable for me to think you were referring to the paragraph you quoted, especially when you eliminated my smiley from your original quote.

From your prior post...
Colbert refers to it as Truthiness, and he isn't talking about Liberals.

It's not about intelligence, but rather about how people think, about how they process information through an existing system of belief.

If you have an irrational hatred of women, you'll process information much like Nehalem.

If you believe deeply & emotionally that abortion is wrong, you'll process information like Texashiker.

If you think Sarah Palin is a hot number, you'll be inclined to give her more slack than she deserves.

So forth & so on. Where it gets difficult is dealing with people who won't examine their own assumptions, because they pose false arguments based on what is erroneous belief in the first place. Your third paragraph is just that.

OK. In general, I agree with you. My third paragraph points back at many of the libs who do this very thing. The whole point of my post is how this whole thing can be abused - by anyone. But currently, the libs are doing it more. I totally agree that there are some serious whackjobs on the right. I do my best to avoid them.
 

Greenman

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Yet here we see Greenman saying in black and white that he is not interested in the data. Perhaps you could check out the experiment and tell us what is wrong with it, unless you are also afraid of the data?

That is false, I said no such thing. I said I wasn't interested in that particular website or writing a response about it to moonie, because his mind was already made up.

Generally speaking I'm not very interested in things that build division. I don't feel the need to try and convince someone that they're stupid because of their opinions. The only reason for such things is so that one can bolster his own ego, or justify actions that would otherwise be unconscionable.

Lets use this very thread as an example. Do you think it was posted as an examination of conservative thought process in order to achieve a deeper understanding of the mindset and facilitate a more productive dialog? We both know it wasn't. The entire point here is to demean and belittle others for their beliefs, based on the certainty that they're fundamentally wrong and somehow defective. It's not about achieving common ground, it's about spreading FUD. The result of that is that I give these threads all of the serious consideration they deserve, absolutely none.
 

chucky2

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How so? Suppose something was being routed to those centers, for which no evidence exists, the implication I read in the research is that those are the centers that dominate showing different activity when liberals and conservatives are presented the same data, location wise in the brain. Certain kinds of identical stimulus seems to activate different parts of the brain in conservatives than liberals, with a consistency that corresponds to self identified party affiliation. Liberals seem to focus on a peaceful landscape with presented with one and another of something unpleasant, whereas the conservatives focus on the negative picture. The question I would ask is whether you believe this has been scientifically documented, whatever may be the implication. One assumption I could make is that conservatives may be better than liberals at first person shooters where target identification and acquisition is paramount in competitive games and maybe on a real battlefield too, though you probably won't find as many liberals there.

So the answer to my question appears to be No. Entertainment mode on...
 

Moonbeam

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You know you project that onto all the conservatives, its the stereotypical 65 year old high school educated fox new watching retiree that is skewing the statistics. There is actually a whole new generation of lower 20's conservatives who got to watch the last 8 years of Obama growing up so you'll be singing that same tune long after its not true anymore.

There aren't that many 65 year olds posting on ATOT though so you are basically ranting over and over again on this forum about a small group of people but if you look at the older conservatives who post here individually they don't even fit the stereotype that you've read 10,000 articles about.

Really, I have been posting here since before it became the forum it is today, one of the rarer liberals in a sea of conservatives, and it was only since about 2012, I think, approximately, that I first begin to notice data of the CBDifference, a study of self reported Liberals and Conservative college students whose brains were imaged via MRI, an experiment in which a physical difference in the two groups brains was observed. I had no idea that these college kids, well kids seems a bad term, were in their mid sixties.

Are you sure you aren't making all of this up in a rationalization to avoid unpleasant truth, just as further experiments on Conservative brains had demonstrated and thus predict you would do? As to the matter of me being the one to project, I have been educating folk who post here that this is what we do since 1999. I'm glad to see some of that is starting to sink in, but please, when people who practice avoidance of cognitive dissonance do so according to scientific predictions, the observation of that fact by folk not so susceptible to that frailty is called scientific observation and scientific pattern recognition, not projection of anything but knowledge.

Personally, I know of no scientific analyses of scientific data from neuroscience that critiques the findings, original and subsequent to the one I just mentioned, that find those studies flawed because they only looked at folk of senior years. You might want to observe that your analysis of the situation here amounts only to your opinion an that is what you use as a smoke screen to hide facts you find unpleasant to face.

When you deal with the conservative brain and facts they find unpleasant and try to pin them down, they always wiggle away with a wave of the hand, poo pooing the information as wrong and unimportant, irrelevant, etc. You use a defective apparatus, one designed to keep you blind, when you think you see the truth. In order to have any chance at all to see, you have to die to the pride of ego. You need deep humility. You would have to have a natural feeling that the time required to study scientific information isn't trivially wasted and beneath your dignity. You have to want to know.

When I was young I wanted to prove that life is good so badly that I destroyed everything illusion I had or could find that propped up that belief. I just couldn't pretend. The result in case you fear the same fate was that I died and went to heaven. There is no good or evil anywhere, there is only perfect being. When love pours out of the soul it also pours in. Oh my Beloved, wherever I look it appears to be Thou. Same, of course is true for you, if you let go.

Naturally this happens and has happened to people countless times and will always happen as long as people are here. It can be seen in countless myths and allegories. Man has a ton of cabbage and wants to cross a river. He's never going to make it with all that cabbage.

A man with a wolf and a sheep and a cabbage wants to cross a river. In order to do so he will need an extra effort and revelation.

If you want to tea, be sure your cup in empty.

When thieves tried to rob the hut of a monk and were leaving empty handed, he say them and said, too bad I can't give them that moon.

If you have a stick I'll give you one and if you haven't I'll take it away.

When Mulla Nasrudin dropped the key to his house in his bedroom somewhere he went to the yard to search for it, telling the neighbors who came to help the there was more light there.

Yes the key is always in the dark, a darkness we create with our foolish assumptions.

The truth is always 180 degrees from where you look.

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.

When Mulla Nasrudin saw a dejected man deep in sorrow walking along the road he ran up and snatched his purse, which he placed in the middle of the road further on. When the man found his purse with his money within, he leapt for joy, because as you see, there's more than one kind of happiness.
 
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