Unemployment - A Scary Reality

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Partisan hackery aside, it really is a scary prospect. If you lose your job right now, you're probably going to be a) looking for work for a long time, or b) going to be underemployed or making a lot less than what you were making.

Today, you don't merely suffer for a while and then find a replacement job that allows you to continue on with your career in a couple months. Rather, today you fall into a lower economic class (probably permanently)! You could go from being upper middle class or middle class to impoverished. Also, people will suffer career loss and education loss--that is to say that people will end up losing the value of their education and their careers since they could end up being unemployed for so long that they are rendered unemployable in their fields. Also, many fields are suffering job losses through foreign outsourcing and work visas, reducing the total number of jobs available in those fields.

Also, I'd like to point out that this finger pointing to which president "lost" the most jobs etc is dumb. That's a function of the economic situation and economic cycles, something the president can barely influence in the short term. In the long term, fiscal policies etc have a major impact, but that's more on Congress than the president....

What we are seeing is not merely a cycle but a long-term, non-cyclic economic transformation with a downward slope. We might continue to have cyclic ups and downs, but the overall trend will be downward, like a sine wave that propagates down a negative slope.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: rudderBecause we must prevent people from losing brain cells by sitting at home all day watching Jerry Springer.

...or posting on Anandtech and other forums.

 

[StageLeft]

As I read Herbert's op-ed, I started to wish that I had some guns of my own.

$250 buys a pretty competent new shotgun. Shells are cheap, no time like the present if you really want one. When Lord Humongous is pining for your gasoline it will be too late to go to Dicks and pick one up.

 

[alien42]

unemployment is called a lagging indicator for a reason. when it begins to skyrocket in a presidents second term, they rightfully take the blame.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Can't we all agree it was both the Democrats and Republicans had a joint venture in this crappy economy? Both sides blame the other while in reality, both are to blame.

I agree. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are equally to blame. In fact, for all intents and purposes they might as well be the same political party. What's sad is that Americans are squabbling over which party is worse while failing to grasp that both parties are fundamentally the same and that both advocate very similar policies and serve wealthy interests. Their brilliance is that each party has fooled and galvanized different segments of the populace into believing that one of the parties supports their interests.

:thumbsup: I couldn't have summarized it better myself.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

As I read Herbert's op-ed, I started to wish that I had some guns of my own.

$250 buys a pretty competent new shotgun. Shells are cheap, no time like the present if you really want one. When Lord Humongous is pining for your gasoline it will be too late to go to Dicks and pick one up.

:laugh:

Nice Road Warrior quote there!

:thumbsup:

It might be too late at that point, but Mad Max will save us, right?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I herd you liek Mooninites?

I had never heard of or at least paid any attention to the references I had seen of Boxxy until you posted this. I watched the video because I know what a Mooninite is but didn't "get it", so I found some other linked YouTube videos and did a Wikipedia search for "Boxxy" and read the articles that were listed as references for her. Thank you for the laugh at the pathetic display of idiocy on the Internet (or at least at 4Chan) that became the Boxxy affair.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I herd you liek Mooninites?

I had never heard of or at least paid any attention to the references I had seen of Boxxy until you posted this. I watched the video because I know what a Mooninite but didn't "get it", so I found some other linked YouTube videos and did a Wikipedia search for "Boxxy" and read the articles that were listed as references for her. Thank you for the laugh at the pathetic display of idiocy on the Internet (or at least at 4Chan) that became the Boxxy affair.

Boxxy is symbolic of just how close mankind is to its own end.

 

[Peelback79]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Skoorb

As I read Herbert's op-ed, I started to wish that I had some guns of my own.

$250 buys a pretty competent new shotgun. Shells are cheap, no time like the present if you really want one. When Lord Humongous is pining for your gasoline it will be too late to go to Dicks and pick one up.

:laugh:

Nice Road Warrior quote there!

:thumbsup:

It might be too late at that point, but Mad Max will save us, right?

IMHO, Mel Gibson wouldn't make a much better messiah then O has.

 

[Insomniator]

I don't really understand how it all works. Who says there has to be or CAN be X amount of jobs available? Unemployment being low 10 years ago... doesn't really mean anything when you find out all the BS in the system that leads us to 2009.

Lets say when jobs are scarce people work even harder (they are supposed to work hard anyway right?) this means in theory employers need even FEWER workers because more work is being done right? So whats the idea, this allows the company to expand and hire more people?

I just don't get the idea behind an economy that HAS to grow and job numbers that HAVE to increase.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Evan

Oh, and www.blogspot.com. Try it.

I wish he would. Or that there was some kind of "X number of threads per day" limit.

I'm okay with tolerating a few of these trolls as long as they mind their place but man...

Nothing stops you from ignoring these threads. But I suspect you enjoy them deep down inside.

Interesting, all the lefties are up in arms about Patranus's/Pjabbers thread count, calling for bans, new rules, etc.. Don't recall hearing much complaining when Techs and JPeyton went on their thread-a-thons

Freedom of speech as long as you agree with me, anything else is Un-american :laugh:

 

[duragezic]

Yeah it's terrible. And it looks like there is no quick upturn expected. I feel pretty luck to have a job still. Most of my family and friends do too.

One thing that gets me is this article talks about young men (and others) unemployed in great numbers. Why in the heck was the stimulus such a pile of crap? Spending that much money, it should've have had tons of money for infrastructure projects right now. I'm pretty sure we have millions of miles of roads, bridges, power grid, and other areas in horrible shape that require skill and unskilled labor at decent wages that these folks could work. It's a win win situation.

Yes I know it has money in there for that. But I have heard very very little on the effects of it. There should have been a greater emphasis on it.

Though another option is the military. That's what I'd probably do if I couldn't find a job. That or go back to school.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Can't we all agree it was both the Democrats and Republicans had a joint venture in this crappy economy? Both sides blame the other while in reality, both are to blame.


I guess common sense around here isnt appreciated though....

Sorry, it's not 'common sense' to just grab the simplest statement, right or wrong.

The parties have some flaws n common, and some major differences.

You are more wrong in glossin gover the differences than a lot of others are for glossing over the areas of similarity.

The Republicans are the ones who have most wholeheartedly made the corporatocracy support their core policy, while Democrats are more diverse and more often 'pulled along'.

The Democrats have a wing that's all too aligned with the Republicans, but they also have the progressive wing among others that's very different.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Can't we all agree it was both the Democrats and Republicans had a joint venture in this crappy economy? Both sides blame the other while in reality, both are to blame.


I guess common sense around here isnt appreciated though....

Sorry, it's not 'common sense' to just grab the simplest statement, right or wrong.

The parties have some flaws n common, and some major differences.

You are more wrong in glossin gover the differences than a lot of others are for glossing over the areas of similarity.

The Republicans are the ones who have most wholeheartedly made the corporatocracy support their core policy, while Democrats are more diverse and more often 'pulled along'.

The Democrats have a wing that's all too aligned with the Republicans, but they also have the progressive wing among others that's very different.

I love it when Craig comes in to correct us on how in fact, Bi-partisanship is bullshit. Sure, democrats have minor flaws, but really everything is always the republicans fault. Andrew, if you only weren't such a partisan, you could see that. Their shit has a minty scent to it, it doesn't stink at all!

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Evan

Oh, and www.blogspot.com. Try it.

I wish he would. Or that there was some kind of "X number of threads per day" limit.

I'm okay with tolerating a few of these trolls as long as they mind their place but man...

Nothing stops you from ignoring these threads. But I suspect you enjoy them deep down inside.

Interesting, all the lefties are up in arms about Patranus's/Pjabbers thread count, calling for bans, new rules, etc.. Don't recall hearing much complaining when Techs and JPeyton went on their thread-a-thons

Freedom of speech as long as you agree with me, anything else is Un-american :laugh:

:thumbsup:

Was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the usual suspects griping... "where were these clowns when techs was creating 4 - 6 threads an hour?"

Originally posted by: Evan
Stupid blog/twitter/facebook/myspace reference

This is a forum. Make a note of it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Sorry, it's not 'common sense' to just grab the simplest statement, right or wrong.

The parties have some flaws n common, and some major differences.

You are more wrong in glossin gover the differences than a lot of others are for glossing over the areas of similarity.

The Republicans are the ones who have most wholeheartedly made the corporatocracy support their core policy, while Democrats are more diverse and more often 'pulled along'.

The Democrats have a wing that's all too aligned with the Republicans, but they also have the progressive wing among others that's very different.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely why we have so many issues in this country. Blind partisanship such as the kind displayed by Craig is bad, no matter what side of the fence you live on.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: duragezic
Yeah it's terrible. And it looks like there is no quick upturn expected. I feel pretty luck to have a job still. Most of my family and friends do too.

One thing that gets me is this article talks about young men (and others) unemployed in great numbers. Why in the heck was the stimulus such a pile of crap? Spending that much money, it should've have had tons of money for infrastructure projects right now. I'm pretty sure we have millions of miles of roads, bridges, power grid, and other areas in horrible shape that require skill and unskilled labor at decent wages that these folks could work. It's a win win situation.

Yes I know it has money in there for that. But I have heard very very little on the effects of it. There should have been a greater emphasis on it.

One of my friends is a civil engineer and is working rediculous hours because of the flood of projects that has come down the pipline. Road improvement plans that have sat unfunded for years are getting done. There is a ton of stimulous money going toward infrastructure.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Do you remember how loud the Bush bashing was when the prospect for jobs was more than twice as good as it is today?

Do you? Oh yeah, you were just a LURKER back then! :roll: Do you honestly think you are fooling anyone rip?

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: duragezic
Yeah it's terrible. And it looks like there is no quick upturn expected. I feel pretty luck to have a job still. Most of my family and friends do too.

One thing that gets me is this article talks about young men (and others) unemployed in great numbers. Why in the heck was the stimulus such a pile of crap? Spending that much money, it should've have had tons of money for infrastructure projects right now. I'm pretty sure we have millions of miles of roads, bridges, power grid, and other areas in horrible shape that require skill and unskilled labor at decent wages that these folks could work. It's a win win situation.

Yes I know it has money in there for that. But I have heard very very little on the effects of it. There should have been a greater emphasis on it.

One of my friends is a civil engineer and is working rediculous hours because of the flood of projects that has come down the pipline. Road improvement plans that have sat unfunded for years are getting done. There is a ton of stimulous money going toward infrastructure.

do they all start up towards the middle of 2011?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Craig234

Sorry, it's not 'common sense' to just grab the simplest statement, right or wrong.

The parties have some flaws n common, and some major differences.

You are more wrong in glossin gover the differences than a lot of others are for glossing over the areas of similarity.

The Republicans are the ones who have most wholeheartedly made the corporatocracy support their core policy, while Democrats are more diverse and more often 'pulled along'.

The Democrats have a wing that's all too aligned with the Republicans, but they also have the progressive wing among others that's very different.

This, ladies and gentleman, is precisely why we have so many issues in this country. Blind partisanship such as the kind displayed by Craig is bad, no matter what side of the fence you live on.

This highlights why P&N is so toxic: many of the people you're trying to rationalize with honestly think deep down that their party is the chosen one. Whether you're talking about Craig, Dave, or winnar, it doesn't really matter. They cannot be reasoned with because they view our differences as much more than just philosophical. If it weren't just an Internet forum, it'd be disturbing.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Craig234

Sorry, it's not 'common sense' to just grab the simplest statement, right or wrong.

The parties have some flaws n common, and some major differences.

You are more wrong in glossin gover the differences than a lot of others are for glossing over the areas of similarity.

The Republicans are the ones who have most wholeheartedly made the corporatocracy support their core policy, while Democrats are more diverse and more often 'pulled along'.

The Democrats have a wing that's all too aligned with the Republicans, but they also have the progressive wing among others that's very different.

This, ladies and gentleman, is precisely why we have so many issues in this country. Blind partisanship such as the kind displayed by Craig is bad, no matter what side of the fence you live on.

This highlights why P&N is so toxic: many of the people you're trying to rationalize with honestly think deep down that their party is the chosen one. Whether you're talking about Craig, Dave, or winnar, it doesn't really matter. They cannot be reasoned with because they view our differences as much more than just philosophical. If it weren't just an Internet forum, it'd be disturbing.

I agree with you 110% I guess the crazy ones are the ones doing the same thing over and over expecting THEM to change. The only person we can change is the one looking back in the mirror. Good perspective!

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Evan

Oh, and www.blogspot.com. Try it.

I wish he would. Or that there was some kind of "X number of threads per day" limit.

I'm okay with tolerating a few of these trolls as long as they mind their place but man...

But if a limit were applied, then you, too, would be limited and then you would gnash your tiny teeth in dismay and rend your soiled under clothing in despair.

For free men do not tolerate the imposition of arbitrary limits on creative expression, nor the scope of intellectual inquiry. It is only the resentful and the uninteresting who might find fault in an abundance of perspicacity.[/q]

You confused perspicacity with pomposity there. Clearly!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Evan

Oh, and www.blogspot.com. Try it.

I wish he would. Or that there was some kind of "X number of threads per day" limit.

I'm okay with tolerating a few of these trolls as long as they mind their place but man...

But if a limit were applied, then you, too, would be limited and then you would gnash your tiny teeth in dismay and rend your soiled clothing in despair.

For free men do not tolerate the imposition of arbitrary limits on creative expression, nor the scope of intellectual inquiry. It is only the resentful and the uninteresting who might find fault in an abundance of perspicacity.

It's like you work at a retarded right wing Renaissance Fair.

I'm sure he'll give me a stern talking to at the next Continental Congress!

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for this forum to distinguish between tru tru truly trolling and the ersatz, bombastic and magniloquently gifted, to sever the political bonds to which the unenlightened will injudiciously wish to connected them, one with another, and to properly label them, among the fun things on the earth, the separate and unequal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God should properly label and not libel them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation, for if there is one thing certain in the wisdom handed down through the ages it is that who is a troll and who is not is defined always and forever by whose ass it was that was reamed.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Evan

Oh, and www.blogspot.com. Try it.

I wish he would. Or that there was some kind of "X number of threads per day" limit.

I'm okay with tolerating a few of these trolls as long as they mind their place but man...

Nothing stops you from ignoring these threads. But I suspect you enjoy them deep down inside.

Interesting, all the lefties are up in arms about Patranus's/Pjabbers thread count, calling for bans, new rules, etc.. Don't recall hearing much complaining when Techs and JPeyton went on their thread-a-thons

Freedom of speech as long as you agree with me, anything else is Un-american :laugh:

Freedom of speech as long as it does not drown out opposing views. More like what we are talking about!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Out of curiosity, why is unemployment a problem? I'm wondering if anybody knows. I think sometime, that ideas become so fixed in the consciousness of people and accepted as givens that real understanding to the issues gets lost. So please tell me, this young eager mind fresh on the scene, why is unemployment a problem?

Because we must prevent people from losing brain cells by sitting at home all day watching Jerry Springer.

See what I mean. In your case it's too late.