The unemployment rate in the Stanislaus County was 15.2 percent in October 2011, up from a revised 15.0 percent in September 2011, and below the year-ago estimate of 16.1 percent. This compares with an unadjusted unemployment rate of 11.2 percent for California and 8.5 percent for the nation during the same period.
Considering that gas is 1.50ish in that photo, welcome to several, several, several years ago, lol!
The whole unemployment measurement is a fraud, sure, unemployment is going down, only because people that count as unemployed are going down too.
Civilian participation in the work force is heading lower and lower and lower.
I wish people wouldn't pay so much attention to the unemployment rate exclusively. Mexico has a low unemployment rate and people are fleeing. We need decent jobs where people with humble educations and backgrounds can still earn a living and get health insurance. I'm not going to be excited by third world jobs.
I will be more excited if wages go up or there's other evidence that the American middle-class is on the rise again.
I suppose we should take the good news, even if it is not nearly as good as the administration wants us to believe it is.
Perception is reality, and if people think the economy is improving, then they will start spending more and more money, which means the economy will actually start improving.
I don't think Americans are "above it". I think Americans generally think it's worth more than illegals are willing to accept. And I think farmers are willing to employee illegals because they work harder, having fewer options.
Farmers employ illegals because they DO work harder, they show up on time, they don't bitch about working conditions, they won't sue you if they step on a nail, don't demand benefits, don't demand breaks every 2 hours, won't unionize and the most important of all they do all of the above for much cheaper than Americans would especially when you consider most of it is under the table (this saves the employer a TON of money too).
Americans WOULD do the job just not for the pay and conditions that the illegals currently are. The rest of America would pay in greatly increased prices for whatever they are growing (assuming we could get rid of them at all/most farms otherwise farmer probably loses money).
Its almost the same in construction. Illegals do the work for cheaper but not that much cheaper. When you throw in all of the other stuff they become much more enticing though. I have seen crews of illegals (assuming they were illegal because they ran like hell when ICE showed up) work 16 hour days for 10 days straight to get a project back on schedule. They ALL brought their own lunch, ate in 10 minutes, and went back to work. One of my guys who speaks Spanish asked why they took such a short lunchbreak and the response was "we don't get paid when we are eating".
You pretend Clinton and Obama did not do the same thing.
This could be a fun quote later on.
Not at all. The Clinton years had lower debt accumulation rates ...
Immediately upon entering office the GWB team set about the creation of more debt at every level other than among the financial elite. Two wars supported only by debt. Tax rebates. tax cuts. EZ credit in a self regulated banking environment. They were aided & abetted by the Greenspan FRB in no small way, as well.
You could create a novel of all the I Hate America lines this asshole has posted the past few years. I would love to seem nothing more than him rot in Gitmo. He is a teahadist traitor who the Secret Service should already have an eye on.
Not true and you know it. Tax revenue fell at the burst of the bubble in 2000 well before bush took office. They were tapping into the "surplus" to pay the bills well before even the first Bush spending plan was in effect. The tax rebates pulled us out of the recession. You are right about the wars though.
This is all true; illegals DO work harder. Legal immigrants work harder than us native-borns too; it's the combination of higher expectations of work and greater opportunity. This represents the boost to the country from illegal immigration.Farmers employ illegals because they DO work harder, they show up on time, they don't bitch about working conditions, they won't sue you if they step on a nail, don't demand benefits, don't demand breaks every 2 hours, won't unionize and the most important of all they do all of the above for much cheaper than Americans would especially when you consider most of it is under the table (this saves the employer a TON of money too).
Americans WOULD do the job just not for the pay and conditions that the illegals currently are. The rest of America would pay in greatly increased prices for whatever they are growing (assuming we could get rid of them at all/most farms otherwise farmer probably loses money).
Its almost the same in construction. Illegals do the work for cheaper but not that much cheaper. When you throw in all of the other stuff they become much more enticing though. I have seen crews of illegals (assuming they were illegal because they ran like hell when ICE showed up) work 16 hour days for 10 days straight to get a project back on schedule. They ALL brought their own lunch, ate in 10 minutes, and went back to work. One of my guys who speaks Spanish asked why they took such a short lunchbreak and the response was "we don't get paid when we are eating".
And this represents the downside. While illegals provide greater productivity in many (though not all) jobs, that lowers wages in those sectors, puts downward pressure on all other wages, widens the wealth & income gaps between resource owners and employees, shifts the cost of social services for the illegals onto legal tax payers, and ships some of the money out of the country. As always there is no free lunch, and the extra productivity of the illegals comes with a plethora of negatives.We pay anyway. We pay for healthcare and social services for all the illegals. We pay other social costs such as crime as a result of importing poverty from Mexico.
IMO illegal immigration is far worse than outsourcing because we end up subsidizing the illegals whereas Chinese labor is legitimacy cheaper.
This. It's not an election ploy, it's a politics ploy. In general, if everybody thinks they're the only ones out of work, then they'll just feel bad and won't do anything about it.It's all faked. The don't count those that gave up. It's an election ploy.
Problem with these stats are they dont tell you what kind of jobs, if theyre seasonal or temporary, and whos underemployed. Also, plenty of people have just given up looking for work and theyre not counted in those figures.
I dont think you guys give natives enough credit. I know alot that have crappy jobs and work just as hard as mexicans. Sure the mexicans can take less money, cause 10 of them live in a one bedroom apartment together, split the rent, save the money and bring it back to mexico. Maybe you need to get a crap job for yourself working along side natives and see for yourself.
Establishment Survey Data
Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 120,000 in November, in line with the
average gain for the prior 12 months (+131,000). The private sector added 140,000
jobs, as employment rose in a number of service-providing industries. Government
employment continued to trend down. (See table B-1.)
Employment in retail trade rose by 50,000 in November, with much of the increase
occurring in clothing and clothing accessories stores (+27,000) and in electronics
and appliance stores (+5,000). Since reaching an employment trough in December 2009,
retailers have added an average of 14,000 jobs per month.
Employment in leisure and hospitality continued to trend up in November (+22,000).
Within the industry, food services and drinking places added 33,000 jobs. This gain
more than offset a loss of 12,000 jobs in the accommodation industry. In the last
12 months, leisure and hospitality added 253,000 jobs, largely driven by employment
increases in food services and drinking places.
Employment in professional and business services continued to trend up in November
(+33,000). Modest job gains continued in temporary help services.
Health care employment continued to rise in November (+17,000). Within the industry,
hospitals added 9,000 jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care has added an average
of 27,000 jobs per month.
Problem with these stats are they dont tell you what kind of jobs, if theyre seasonal or temporary, and whos underemployed. Also, plenty of people have just given up looking for work and theyre not counted in those figures.
I dont think you guys give natives enough credit. I know alot that have crappy jobs and work just as hard as mexicans. Sure the mexicans can take less money, cause 10 of them live in a one bedroom apartment together, split the rent, save the money and bring it back to mexico. Maybe you need to get a crap job for yourself working along side natives and see for yourself.