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PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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All these problems can easily be solved by the employers. They can offer more money to steal the small amount of available perfect fit talent from other employers or they can find people that meet some of the requirements and train them for the other ones. Obviously if they aren't doing this they don't need that position filled as badly as the other companies so they should expect to lose out.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Maybe I should go and get some certs so I can broaden my horizons. My job search now isn't going so well.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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All these problems can easily be solved by the employers. They can offer more money to steal the small amount of available perfect fit talent from other employers or they can find people that meet some of the requirements and train them for the other ones. Obviously if they aren't doing this they don't need that position filled as badly as the other companies so they should expect to lose out.

I don't think people understand. There is simply a huge shortage of very talented people and most of them are already in very high paying jobs. We've had a position open for 6+ months and simply can't find somebody at that level. The highly skilled guys can basically name their own price, and companies will pay it. It's very well known there is a severe shortage of really talented folks.
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Bullshit.
I been outta work for 3 years and every time I talk to a recruiter they say "yeah you look nice but you arent exactly what we need and we can afford to hold out for someone else".

Fuck them. They are making excuses to send all our jobs to India and Korea.

If they were going to move the jobs to India they probably wouldn't be listing them where you live. If you're running into the same answer with all the recruiters maybe, just maybe, you aren't what companies are looking for right now? At some point if everyone is saying the same thing it may be time to figure out a way to fix it rather than going on to the next recruiter to see if they'll say something different.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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need moar H2B visas!

That's just what we need. Send jobs overseas by the millions, then hire "furriners" to fill the ones that get kept here...

What we NEED is to train our own people to fill the tech jobs. Since manufacturing is apparently "beneath the US worker," (or at least, according to the hive-mind of Anandtech) this country needs to start pushing math and science hard in the schools.
While not everyone is cut out for science-y jobs...if those courses were emphasized more in schools, we'd turn out more people with the education to do the work.

We already have a 9.1% unemployment rate in this country. Why not train some of those unemployed to fill these jobs?
Been laid off for more than 6 months? Want to continue to collect unemployment? Get re-trained in a field that needs workers. Offer a solid re-training program that will work...
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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I don't think people understand. There is simply a huge shortage of very talented people and most of them are already in very high paying jobs. We've had a position open for 6+ months and simply can't find somebody at that level. The highly skilled guys can basically name their own price, and companies will pay it. It's very well known there is a severe shortage of really talented folks.

lower the starting salary 10k or so and spend 10k in training to bring skills up to par. seems like a perfectly logical solution.
 

God Mode

Platinum Member
Jul 2, 2005
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If you get lucky and land a job while being too skilled, often, the other retards working there will feel threatened and make your office life miserable.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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lower the starting salary 10k or so and spend 10k in training to bring skills up to par. seems like a perfectly logical solution.

But at this level it isn't something you can train and only comes from years of actually doing it at that level. I'm talking about storage guys that can walk into any data center and know exactly what is going on and how to make it better, network guys that can walk into any company and immediately know what's going on and the direction to go, vmware guys that can do setup a 5000 VM environment in a week without thinking about it. You can't train to that level.
 
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Mxylplyx

Diamond Member
Mar 21, 2007
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I've been saying this for years. There's a huge glut of highly skilled people.

You are mistaken. My team has been trying to fill several senior software engineer positions for months. We've interviewed over 30 people, and hired 1. Lots of people claim they are highly skilled and fail the most basic tests. "Highly Skilled" is a rarity among job applicants right now.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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You are mistaken. My team has been trying to fill several senior software engineer positions for months. We've interviewed over 30 people, and hired 1. Lots of people claim they are highly skilled and fail the most basic tests. "Highly Skilled" is a rarity among job applicants right now.

Guess I reversed the meaning of glut, I meant a severe shortage.
 

Mxylplyx

Diamond Member
Mar 21, 2007
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If they were going to move the jobs to India they probably wouldn't be listing them where you live. If you're running into the same answer with all the recruiters maybe, just maybe, you aren't what companies are looking for right now? At some point if everyone is saying the same thing it may be time to figure out a way to fix it rather than going on to the next recruiter to see if they'll say something different.

ding ding ding!!
 

miri

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2003
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You are mistaken. My team has been trying to fill several senior software engineer positions for months. We've interviewed over 30 people, and hired 1. Lots of people claim they are highly skilled and fail the most basic tests. "Highly Skilled" is a rarity among job applicants right now.

yeah the company i currently work for had to offer 10k referral bonuses to current employees as they were apparently having a hard time finding qualified applicants.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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But at this level it isn't something you can train and only comes from years of actually doing it at that level. I'm talking about storage guys that can walk into any data center and know exactly what is going on and how to make it better, network guys that can walk into any company and immediately know what's going on and the direction to go, vmware guys that can do setup a 5000 VM environment in a week without thinking about it. You can't train to that level.

Why is all this instant solutioning a requirement?
 

Lifted

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2004
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Bullshit.
I been outta work for 3 years and every time I talk to a recruiter they say "yeah you look nice but you arent exactly what we need and we can afford to hold out for someone else".

Fuck them. They are making excuses to send all our jobs to India and Korea.

Where do you live?

I came back to NYC 1.5 years ago, after being overseas for 3 years, started applying for jobs, had 2 interviews lined up in 1 week, got 2 offers and chose one.

Perhaps you live in a region that doesn't have a high demand for IT jobs? Finding a job in IT in NYC isn't difficult if you manage not to eat the stapler off the desk during an interview, but I wouldn't count on finding a job as a coal miner around here. Sometimes it's necessary to get out of your comfort zone and go to where the jobs are.
 

Lifted

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2004
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But at this level it isn't something you can train and only comes from years of actually doing it at that level. I'm talking about storage guys that can walk into any data center and know exactly what is going on and how to make it better, network guys that can walk into any company and immediately know what's going on and the direction to go, vmware guys that can do setup a 5000 VM environment in a week without thinking about it. You can't train to that level.

No, but you can certainly hire a consultant to do that and pay the going rates. There's a reason you can't find an employee to fill these positions, and the reason is that anyone THAT good would be crazy to be an employee unless the salary matches what they could make as a consultant, and most companies aren't willing to pay employees that much as it destroys their pay scales and HR would lose their minds if a ton of engineers in IT were earning more than VP's and Directors.

To summarize, there is a ton of talent out there, you just have to pay for it. I know plenty of people who could each do just about everything you listed, and not a single one of them is an employee.
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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Having interviewed numerous people for positions at both my previous company and my current one, I kind of agree with the article. It's difficult to find someone who knows HTTP and unix and scripting languages, and who has enough of a personality that they can fit in well with the group.

only in the computer world!!!!... Lets see how well that translates to other jobs....


Plumber wanted: must have experience in 110V electric wiring, carpet laying, wood framing, roofing, masonry & concrete.
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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I know here in the philly area there seems to be plenty of tech opportunitys. Quite a few temp to perm hires though. I think its going to get worse as in a greater need. People just stop learning technology, depsite the fact it will never shrink in use.
 

manlymatt83

Lifer
Oct 14, 2005
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For what it's worth, a company in Boston I consult for is rapidly hiring Unix and Java people. MySQL experience a plus, etc. If anyone is interested, PM me.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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People just stop learning technology, depsite the fact it will never shrink in use.

The problem is that when you work in a corporate IT department, you're only going to get so much exposure to new technologies and that depends on the IT budget. Sure, you can learn it on your own but that isn't the same as having the opportunity to implement the technologies in large, production environments.
 
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