Unidentified federal law enforcement arresting Portland protesters in unmarked vehicles, for unknown reasons...

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Starbuck1975

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Armed insurrection vs graffiti. Totally the same thing. I mean duh.
In both cases the federal response is proportional to the crime. In the case of the armed insurrection, the federal government responded with an armed presence and roadblocks, a good number of the insurrectionists faced federal charges and they had to use lethal force against one.

Against graffiti and vandalism, they are using non lethal crowd control measures.

Only in one case did the governor welcome a federal response
 
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MrSquished

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In both cases the federal response is proportional to the crime. In the case of the armed insurrection, the federal government responded with an armed presence and roadblocks, a good number of the insurrectionists faced federal charges and they had to use lethal force against one.

Against graffiti and vandalism, they are using non lethal crowd control measures.
Incorrect. The federal response in Portland is not targeted against just those few vandals. It's targeted against the majority peaceful protesters en masse. Or are you suggesting 1st amendment protected peaceful protesters are now guilty by association?
 
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Starbuck1975

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Incorrect. The federal response in Portland is not targeted against just those few vandals. It's targeted against the majority peaceful protesters en masse. Or are you suggesting 1st amendment protected peaceful protesters are now guilty by association?
Of course they aren’t guilty by association. How do you propose any authorities disperse a crowd that has turned into a riot? The Portland PD was using the same tactics as the feds before the feds arrived. I would actually appreciate an honest recommendation.

I said this earlier in the thread, but even European police, like the Polizei, who are very much anti fascist, have little tolerance for anarchy.

Earlier in the thread, I gave a recommendation that the mayor should assert himself in a way that supports the protestors but condemns the agitators. He failed in his attempt.
 
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shortylickens

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the fed is responding with overkill to the situation.
its almost exactly like Kent State only a larger scale, from a man who is like Nixon but considerably worse.
And Ruby Ridge.
I dont like Randy Weaver he's an evil stupid dangerous piece of shit, but what the government did to him was inappropriate and a fine example of not only their incompetence but excessive power.
 

cytg111

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the fed is responding with overkill to the situation.
its almost exactly like Kent State only a larger scale, from a man who is like Nixon but considerably worse.

Is the fed doing something that state law enforcement cant do?
No.
That immediately boils it down to politics and fed overreach into states business.
Trump is gonna manage the riots like he has handled the covid response meaning he is gonna fuck it up big time.
States know this, therefor NO THANKS, yet, still, feds roll in and begin fucking things up.

Right wing media is rolling the Antifa narrative HARD. Now Antifa is a terrorist organization as well.

Its so fucking obvious reelection politics that has the absurd consequence of descending a country further into fascist territory.

Still, here is buckyboy putting on the usual clown show. What ever.
 

fskimospy

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In both cases the federal response is proportional to the crime. In the case of the armed insurrection, the federal government responded with an armed presence and roadblocks, a good number of the insurrectionists faced federal charges and they had to use lethal force against one.

Against graffiti and vandalism, they are using non lethal crowd control measures.

Only in one case did the governor welcome a federal response
It’s funny how earlier in the thread Starbuck agreed that the feds were acting inappropriately but now that he has his back up because woolfe busted him as being a huge liar he’s decided the feds were right after all.
 

MrSquished

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Of course they aren’t guilty by association. How do you propose any authorities disperse a crowd that has turned into a riot? The Portland PD was using the same tactics as the feds before the feds arrived. I would actually appreciate an honest recommendation.

I said this earlier in the thread, but even European police, like the Polizei, who are very much anti fascist, have little tolerance for anarchy.

Earlier in the thread, I gave a recommendation that the mayor should assert himself in a way that supports the protestors but condemns the agitators. He failed in his attempt.

These riots you speak of in Portland from these last couple weeks the feds have been there. Haven't seen them. I have seen vids of a mass of peaceful protesters. I have seen vids of a navy vet getting beaten and pepper sprayed for no reason. I have seen a vid of the wall of moms with tear gas around them and getting violently shoved by the feds. I have seen vids of very large groups of peaceful protesters. I have seen a video of a guy holding up a boom box and getting shot in the face. I have seen multiple accounts from on the ground that state the big protests are peaceful, and then there are isolated incidents of agitators later in the night. That still doesn't sound like a riot though. You must have actual videos of these massive riots in Portland the feds are stopping with all this force. Fox News must be in helicopters video taping these big riots, I mean it would be meat and potatoes coverage for their audience, no? Should be easy to find.
 
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Pohemi

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These riots you speak of in Portland from these last couple weeks the feds have been there. Haven't seen them. ... Fox News must be in helicopters video taping these big riots, I mean it would be meat and potatoes coverage for their audience, no? Should be easy to find.
Yes, it would be easy to find if it were real and not some fantasy that starbunk is picking up from the Idiot-In-Chief.
 

mect

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These riots you speak of in Portland from these last couple weeks the feds have been there. Haven't seen them. I have seen vids of a mass of peaceful protesters. I have seen vids of a navy vet getting beaten and pepper sprayed for no reason. I have seen a vid of the wall of moms with tear gas around them and getting violently shoved by the feds. I have seen vids of very large groups of peaceful protesters. I have seen a video of a guy holding up a boom box and getting shot in the face. I have seen multiple accounts from on the ground that state the big protests are peaceful, and then there are isolated incidents of agitators later in the night. That still doesn't sound like a riot though. You must have actual videos of these massive riots in Portland the feds are stopping with all this force. Fox News must be in helicopters video taping these big riots, I mean it would be meat and potatoes coverage for their audience, no? Should be easy to find.
He's already said he won't bother providing proof for any of his claims.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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These riots you speak of in Portland from these last couple weeks the feds have been there. Haven't seen them. I have seen vids of a mass of peaceful protesters. I have seen vids of a navy vet getting beaten and pepper sprayed for no reason. I have seen a vid of the wall of moms with tear gas around them and getting violently shoved by the feds. I have seen vids of very large groups of peaceful protesters. I have seen a video of a guy holding up a boom box and getting shot in the face. I have seen multiple accounts from on the ground that state the big protests are peaceful, and then there are isolated incidents of agitators later in the night. That still doesn't sound like a riot though. You must have actual videos of these massive riots in Portland the feds are stopping with all this force. Fox News must be in helicopters video taping these big riots, I mean it would be meat and potatoes coverage for their audience, no? Should be easy to find.
The courthouse in Oakland must have spontaneously combusted
 

JEDIYoda

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The President of the Portland NAACP has asked the agitators to stop instigating a response from the feds. Is he imagining things?
deflect...deflect...deflect.....move the bar....move the bar...move the bar.....
why don`t you just come out and admit that you are one happy camper when yoiu see the fed abuse peaceful protesters?? See howe easy that would be! Instead you hide your glee behind bulll shit!
You were already outed as a liar....so why not just fess up to the rest??
 

Starbuck1975

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“We celebrate passionate protest but Oaklanders need to know that when they attend protests after dark, they may be providing cover for agitators who are more intent on stoking civil unrest than advancing racial justice.”
- Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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deflect...deflect...deflect.....move the bar....move the bar...move the bar.....
why don`t you just come out and admit that you are one happy camper when yoiu see the fed abuse peaceful protesters?? See howe easy that would be! Instead you hide your glee behind bulll shit!
You were already outed as a liar....so why not just fess up to the rest??
I don’t want to see any protestors harmed, not even the agitators.
 
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