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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Portland Police can't stop breaking the law and assaulting medics
People really need to better internalize the fact that the police are rioting in response to calls to end police impunity for committing crimes.
The beatings will continue until you respect muh authority.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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people where wondering why they where so intent on picking up the canisters during the riots , turns out they where using smoke grenades so toxic that the army stopped using them
-“Exposure of unprotected soldiers to high concentrations of HC smoke for even a few minutes has resulted in injuries and fatalities.”
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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people where wondering why they where so intent on picking up the canisters during the riots , turns out they where using smoke grenades so toxic that the army stopped using them
-“Exposure of unprotected soldiers to high concentrations of HC smoke for even a few minutes has resulted in injuries and fatalities.”
nothing to see here!! We all know that the Republicans would rather kill those who disagree than have a meaningful dialogue.......
 
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MtnMan

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people where wondering why they where so intent on picking up the canisters during the riots , turns out they where using smoke grenades so toxic that the army stopped using them
-“Exposure of unprotected soldiers to high concentrations of HC smoke for even a few minutes has resulted in injuries and fatalities.”
And people are still stupid enough to think that Trump gives a fuck about anyone, but himself. I suspect either he or Barr approved of its use.

Locally; I have asked the local city council and police chief how they justify the use of teargas on crowds how they can justify that when our military is banned from using it on enemy combatants, as per the Geneva accord. So far no answer, but fuck there were kids in that crowd, people that just got caught up when a peaceful demonstration went bad.
 
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ondma

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And people are still stupid enough to think that Trump gives a fuck about anyone, but himself. I suspect either he or Barr approved of its use.

Locally; I have asked the local city council and police chief how they justify the use of teargas on crowds how they can justify that when our military is banned from using it on enemy combatants, as per the Geneva accord. So far no answer, but fuck there were kids in that crowd, people that just got caught up when a peaceful demonstration went bad.
Guess they should use live ammo instead, since that is not banned by the Geneva convention.
 

MtnMan

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Guess they should use live ammo instead, since that is not banned by the Geneva convention.
Then they have to justify its use, unlike using a toxic (poison) gas on civilians, where they just pickup the canisters to hide the evidence.
 
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zzyzxroad

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people where wondering why they where so intent on picking up the canisters during the riots , turns out they where using smoke grenades so toxic that the army stopped using them
-“Exposure of unprotected soldiers to high concentrations of HC smoke for even a few minutes has resulted in injuries and fatalities.”
This doesn't seem to be getting much exposure. Has this been substantiated?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Protestors tore down statues of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt last night in Portland. Was supposed to be a native American protest the day before Columbus day.

I guess they couldn't find a statue of Columbus so they tore down a statue of the guy who ended slavery instead.

Fuckin idiots seem to want Trump to be re-elected.

 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Protestors tore down statues of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt last night in Portland. Was supposed to be a native American protest the day before Columbus day.

I guess they couldn't find a statue of Columbus so they tore down a statue of the guy who ended slavery instead.

Fuckin idiots seem to want Trump to be re-elected.

Idiots. The media will focus on these fringe idiots of course. They now represent the left. Meanwhile, confederate flag waving douchebags are just celebrating history, and that's a big part of the right.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Protestors tore down statues of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt last night in Portland. Was supposed to be a native American protest the day before Columbus day.

I guess they couldn't find a statue of Columbus so they tore down a statue of the guy who ended slavery instead.

Fuckin idiots seem to want Trump to be re-elected.


Who pulled down the statutes? Do we have photo or video evidence?
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Protestors tore down statues of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt last night in Portland. Was supposed to be a native American protest the day before Columbus day.

I guess they couldn't find a statue of Columbus so they tore down a statue of the guy who ended slavery instead.

Fuckin idiots seem to want Trump to be re-elected.

I don’t see a path to reelection for Trump, but if he does somehow manage to pull it off, we can partially thank people like the ones who tore these statues down.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Who pulled down the statutes? Do we have photo or video evidence?

Dunno. The article cites police chief Chuck Lovell as the main source.

Maybe more information will come out soon. For now, I tend to doubt the police chief is making things up.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Dunno. The article cites police chief Chuck Lovell as the main source.

Maybe more information will come out soon. For now, I tend to doubt the police chief is making things up.
Oregon Live has video posted. The protest organizers called it the “Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage.” Oregon live is also reporting that protestors admonished those filming them. The protestors also vandalized the Oregon Historical Society and a Lewis & Clark mural at the Sovereign Hotel.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Oregon Live has video posted. The protest organizers called it the “Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage.” Oregon live is also reporting that protestors admonished those filming them. The protestors also vandalized the Oregon Historical Society and a Lewis & Clark mural at the Sovereign Hotel.


Do you mind posting a link?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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If you peruse the link, you'll also notice that fukface has already tweeted about it saying it's all Biden's fault.

The link explains the protestors disdain for both men. I knew Roosevelt was a dick to indigenous people, but I didn't know about Lincoln's involvement with the Dakota war, I didn't know about the dakota war at all.

From that link, here's info

 
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ivwshane

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Zorba

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The link explains the protestors disdain for both men. I knew Roosevelt was a dick to indigenous people, but I didn't know about Lincoln's involvement with the Dakota war, I didn't know about the dakota war at all.

From that link, here's info

Unlike statues of Lee though, no one put up a statue of Lincoln to celebrate the Dakota 38.

Were the protesters even Native Americans? This sounds like black hats to me.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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The link explains the protestors disdain for both men. I knew Roosevelt was a dick to indigenous people, but I didn't know about Lincoln's involvement with the Dakota war, I didn't know about the dakota war at all.

From that link, here's info


Yeah, that's the second source I read today which dishonestly claims that Lincoln "ordered" the execution of 38 men. I mean, think about that. Since when does a POTUS "order" people's execution? It doesn't work that way and never has.

What actually happened is that the Sioux had an uprising wherein they allegedly killed hundreds of settlers. After which, the military took 303 of them prisoner. They were then tried in a military court, which issued death sentences for all them. The court did, not the President of the United States.

Lincoln then demanded that the military provide him with detailed information about the 303 men so that he could determine who was most culpable. He then commuted the sentence of 265 of them, while allowing the execution of the other 38. Not ordering it. Allowing it, while disallowing the execution of 265 others.

Here's another tidbit from a neutral source:

Even partial clemency resulted in protests from Minnesota, which persisted until the Secretary of the Interior offered white Minnesotans "reasonable compensation for the depredations committed." Republicans did not fare as well in Minnesota in the 1864 election as they had before. Ramsey (by then a senator) informed Lincoln that more hangings would have resulted in a larger electoral majority. The President reportedly replied, "I could not afford to hang men for votes."

Look, native Americans were treated badly for hundreds of years. I have no doubt they had legitimate grievances in that case and many others. But Lincoln was about as progressive as any white man for that age. Tearing down a statue of him 150 years later is moronic.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Unlike statues of Lee though, no one put up a statue of Lincoln to celebrate the Dakota 38.

Were the protesters even Native Americans? This sounds like black hats to me.

No idea, just a curious spectator here. I agree tho, post civil war statues of confederate generals have a different purpose than lincoln
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Yeah, that's the second source I read today which dishonestly claims that Lincoln "ordered" the execution of 38 men. I mean, think about that. Since when does a POTUS "order" people's execution? It doesn't work that way and never has.

What actually happened is that the Sioux had an uprising wherein they allegedly killed hundreds of settlers. After which, the military took 303 of them prisoner. They were then tried in a military court, which issued death sentences for all them. The court did, not the President of the United States.

Lincoln then demanded that the military provide him with detailed information about the 303 men so that he could determine who was most culpable. He then commuted the sentence of 265 of them, while allowing the execution of the other 38. Not ordering it. Allowing it, while disallowing the execution of 265 others.

Here's another tidbit from a neutral source:



Look, native Americans were treated badly for hundreds of years. I have no doubt they had legitimate grievances in that case and many others. But Lincoln was about as progressive as any white man for that age. Tearing down a statue of him 150 years later is moronic.

It took me a minute to even find what you're were talking about. Yep, at the top of the link it says Lincoln ordered it, but down in the meat of the article it explains it just like you did.

I dont find tearing down a Lincoln status particularly effective or a good idea in general. If they wanna remove it, get a vote in town going just like Charlottesville.

edit: My education covered very little about U.S. history, so I get to learn from time to time. I do appreciate the clarity you provided, I wouldn't want to be misinformed!
 
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