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What a weird one. Can't say I have a positive image of Theodore Rooseveldt, but Lincoln? Could be many reasons, including false-flaggery or just an overexcited desire to pull down whatever statue is available.
 

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What a weird one. Can't say I have a positive image of Theodore Rooseveldt, but Lincoln? Could be many reasons, including false-flaggery or just an overexcited desire to pull down whatever statue is available.
I am pretty sure this is how Russia and China lost control of their socialist revolutions, when the young people decided to just start smashing everything because reasons.
 

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I am pretty sure this is how Russia and China lost control of their socialist revolutions, when the young people decided to just start smashing everything because reasons.


Probably not an accurate account of the Chinese revolution initially, but I guess that is kind of what happened in the Cultural Revolution (albeit with Mao at the top urging them on, for his own half-self-serving-half-ideological reasons)

Maybe not far from the truth regarding Russia - at least if Orlando Figges's account is to be believed (I really found his to be the most plausible description I've read of those events, I liked his take on it a lot, after starting off with mostly pro-Bolshevik accounts and then a lot of more conservative takes on it, his seemed the most believable middle-ground to me...but maybe that just means he fitted my own political bias)
 
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If you peruse the link, you'll also notice that fukface has already tweeted about it saying it's all Biden's fault.
More articles have come out. A few local indigenous groups are none too happy with the vandalism and that “other groups” appropriated their message. The vandals did damage to the Oregon Historical Society, which contains an exhibit dedicated to...indigenous people.
 

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More articles have come out. A few local indigenous groups are none too happy with the vandalism and that “other groups” appropriated their message. The vandals did damage to the Oregon Historical Society, which contains an exhibit dedicated to...indigenous people.
The morons vandalizing a historical museum are a fringe group of idiots that don't represent any type of major movement the progressive wing and centrist elements of the Democratic party are pushing.

Just like the morons spouting everything that Trump and his surrogates say do not represent any type of major movement by the Republicans..... Oh wait, that IS ACTUALLY the Republican movement these days.
 

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Does anyone track how many statues are vandalised in the US each year? Are we at historic highs or just reporting on it more? Where does the topic fit in in major issues facing the US.
 

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Does anyone track how many statues are vandalised in the US each year? Are we at historic highs or just reporting on it more? Where does the topic fit in in major issues facing the US.
There's actual problems, such as wealth inequality destroying the country. Or the ability of people getting away with killing other people because they did so under the color of law.

And then there's made up problems. You know, like worrying about a statue being vandalized. Each statue vandalized, a tragedy or whatever.

When someone cheers on the real problems, and screeches hysterically about made up problems, you know they're just an enabler trying to change the subject.
 

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The morons vandalizing a historical museum are a fringe group of idiots that don't represent any type of major movement the progressive wing and centrist elements of the Democratic party are pushing.
Except of course that these morons seem ever present wherever you find modern American liberalism, and have proven themselves quite capable of violence and destruction, yet any attempts to deal with their reckless lawlessness is met with cries of fascism.

!Just like the morons spouting everything that Trump and his surrogates say do not represent any type of major movement by the Republicans..... Oh wait, that IS ACTUALLY the Republican movement these days.
Trump has dangerously enabled and validated the violent fringe of the right, yet I applaud our law enforcement, especially at the federal level, who have stepped in to contain and stop militias from engaging in violence.
 

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More articles have come out. A few local indigenous groups are none too happy with the vandalism and that “other groups” appropriated their message. The vandals did damage to the Oregon Historical Society, which contains an exhibit dedicated to...indigenous people.


Perhaps they need to be putting up 'distraction statues' of Trump and Andrew Jackson, say? Give protestors nice juicy targets, in order to shield the more borderline cases.
 

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Except of course that these morons seem ever present wherever you find modern American liberalism, and have proven themselves quite capable of violence and destruction, yet any attempts to deal with their reckless lawlessness is met with cries of fascism.

Trump has dangerously enabled and validated the violent fringe of the right, yet I applaud our law enforcement, especially at the federal level, who have stepped in to contain and stop militias from engaging in violence.

Sure certain fringe morons latch onto progressive movements that don't endorse their actions and are opportunists that do stupid shit. But they certainly aren't Biden voters, nor Kamala Harris fans, or like Pelosi, Mayor pete, Warren, Klobuchar, Schumer, etc...I'm willing to wager that 99% of them are literally off the Democratic party completely. Meanwhile, on the flip side it's not just these domestic terrorists in Michigan (you so kindly call them militia, which hides their real identity) that we all know support Trump. I mean he literally called them to action. You have the QAnon movement of a million plus, Trump voters, and a conspiracy theory he winks and nods at. Confederate flag waving BLM is a terrorist organization extremists - check them off as Trump voters. Trump retweets conspiracy theories like one that Bin Laden is not dead just this week I think. Biden is a marxist now too! And on and on and on.

Again a fringe element on one side, while literally a majority of the other side's base is pretty much nuts. The fringe element of the Republican party now are the actua thinking conservatives endorsing Biden like the Lincoln project, former REpublican officials, ex cabinet members, ex chairs of the RNC, ex CIA, ex military, ex national security officials, ex governors, ex Congresspeople, etc...
 

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Sure certain fringe morons latch onto progressive movements that don't endorse their actions and are opportunists that do stupid shit. But they certainly aren't Biden voters, nor Kamala Harris fans, or like Pelosi, Mayor pete, Warren, Klobuchar, Schumer, etc...I'm willing to wager that 99% of them are literally off the Democratic party completely.

I agree. Given that their actions could only harm Biden and help Trump in this election cycle, the most likely inference is that they don't care because they're in the "so far left they think Biden is the same as Trump" category.
 

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Portland is no longer having civil protests over national issues. That largely wrapped up over the summer. This is now just emotional rage and aggression. It's not aligned with any movement or party. It's just unrest and opportunists. It helps no-one outside of providing more fuel for Trump and Fox news to show people.

Public support is mostly gone here in the town and the events over the last couple day have drawn almost universal criticism. The interesting thing locally is how it's been swinging the Mayoral race. Wheeler was down, and his opponent kept standing with the protests. She's had to backtrack a bit and offer some weak denouncement of the last couple days, and it's cost her a few points.
 

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Sure certain fringe morons latch onto progressive movements that don't endorse their actions and are opportunists that do stupid shit. But they certainly aren't Biden voters, nor Kamala Harris fans, or like Pelosi, Mayor pete, Warren, Klobuchar, Schumer, etc...I'm willing to wager that 99% of them are literally off the Democratic party completely. Meanwhile, on the flip side it's not just these domestic terrorists in Michigan (you so kindly call them militia, which hides their real identity) that we all know support Trump. I mean he literally called them to action. You have the QAnon movement of a million plus, Trump voters, and a conspiracy theory he winks and nods at. Confederate flag waving BLM is a terrorist organization extremists - check them off as Trump voters. Trump retweets conspiracy theories like one that Bin Laden is not dead just this week I think. Biden is a marxist now too! And on and on and on.
The fringe of the left is very much part of the progressive movement, which Democrats claim and disown depending on political calculus. Now that this fringe element is competing and winning elections in some blue cities, centrists like Biden will inevitably have to face the Pandora’s box they’ve opened, much as the Tea Party movement hijacked the GOP and set the tone for the rise of Trump.

Does anyone even know what they’re protesting at this point? The drop in public approval for BLM is a direct outcome of their misguided rage.

Again a fringe element on one side, while literally a majority of the other side's base is pretty much nuts. The fringe element of the Republican party now are the actua thinking conservatives endorsing Biden like the Lincoln project, former REpublican officials, ex cabinet members, ex chairs of the RNC, ex CIA, ex military, ex national security officials, ex governors, ex Congresspeople, etc...
Democrats like to throw the far right into one big Nazi bucket, but its made up of many fringe groups that have found one another via the internet and have found momentary validation by Trump. But a Boogaloo member wouldn’t hesitate to kill law enforcement if it furthered their cause for revolution, where other groups are pro law enforcement, with a few libertarian 2A militias thrown in for good measure.
 

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Does anyone even know what they’re protesting at this point? The drop in public approval for BLM is a direct outcome of their misguided rage.

Loosely brigading on "insert societal atrocity here". In the case of the breaking of the historical society windows, it's all over the place.


CNN Said this guy was from Washington. Oregon Live said he was a transient by way of Indiana. No one really knows. But opportunists of whatever intent have seized and ruined any progress made over the summer. Some of them involved in events over the weekend were also stirring shit in Wisconsin.
 
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I don’t see a path to reelection for Trump, but if he does somehow manage to pull it off, we can partially thank people like the ones who tore these statues down.
How do you come to this conclusion? The polls and the media are fake news. You should already know that. Same shit happened last year.
 
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The morons vandalizing a historical museum are a fringe group of idiots that don't represent any type of major movement the progressive wing and centrist elements of the Democratic party are pushing.

Just like the morons spouting everything that Trump and his surrogates say do not represent any type of major movement by the Republicans..... Oh wait, that IS ACTUALLY the Republican movement these days.
Left destroys cities. And it is the right's fault...
 

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The fringe of the left is very much part of the progressive movement, which Democrats claim and disown depending on political calculus. Now that this fringe element is competing and winning elections in some blue cities, centrists like Biden will inevitably have to face the Pandora’s box they’ve opened, much as the Tea Party movement hijacked the GOP and set the tone for the rise of Trump.

Does anyone even know what they’re protesting at this point? The drop in public approval for BLM is a direct outcome of their misguided rage.

Democrats like to throw the far right into one big Nazi bucket, but its made up of many fringe groups that have found one another via the internet and have found momentary validation by Trump. But a Boogaloo member wouldn’t hesitate to kill law enforcement if it furthered their cause for revolution, where other groups are pro law enforcement, with a few libertarian 2A militias thrown in for good measure.
Anything to distract.
 

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The fringe of the left is very much part of the progressive movement, which Democrats claim and disown depending on political calculus. Now that this fringe element is competing and winning elections in some blue cities, centrists like Biden will inevitably have to face the Pandora’s box they’ve opened, much as the Tea Party movement hijacked the GOP and set the tone for the rise of Trump.

Does anyone even know what they’re protesting at this point? The drop in public approval for BLM is a direct outcome of their misguided rage.

Democrats like to throw the far right into one big Nazi bucket, but its made up of many fringe groups that have found one another via the internet and have found momentary validation by Trump. But a Boogaloo member wouldn’t hesitate to kill law enforcement if it furthered their cause for revolution, where other groups are pro law enforcement, with a few libertarian 2A militias thrown in for good measure.
I'm not just talking about the domestic terrorist to 'militia' groups. I'm talking about the Trump party in general. It's a conglomeration of fringe groups - some are QAnon, some believe that the elections are rigged, and I'm not just talking about this year's but the last election too, Trump convinced many there were millions of illegal votes, you have straight up white supremacist groups and chauvinist groups, then you have the contingent that thinks Covid is a hoax, then the ones that think Obama was a Marxist Muslim and Biden is now a terrorist, BLM is a domestic terrorist organization, caravans upon caravans of illegals are invading us and raping our women, the evangelicals truly believe the apocalypse is upon us and it's fine to discriminate against gays, and on and on.

Add it all up and you have tens of millions of wackadoos. It's a substantial part of his base.

Meanwhile you got a small amount of radical progressives toppling the wrong statues and that's now a big part of the Democratic party. Yeah, ok.
 

nickqt

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I'm not just talking about the domestic terrorist to 'militia' groups. I'm talking about the Trump party in general. It's a conglomeration of fringe groups - some are QAnon, some believe that the elections are rigged, and I'm not just talking about this year's but the last election too, Trump convinced many there were millions of illegal votes, you have straight up white supremacist groups and chauvinist groups, then you have the contingent that thinks Covid is a hoax, then the ones that think Obama was a Marxist Muslim and Biden is now a terrorist, BLM is a domestic terrorist organization, caravans upon caravans of illegals are invading us and raping our women, the evangelicals truly believe the apocalypse is upon us and it's fine to discriminate against gays, and on and on.

Add it all up and you have tens of millions of wackadoos. It's a substantial part of his base.

Meanwhile you got a small amount of radical progressives toppling the wrong statues and that's now a big part of the Democratic party. Yeah, ok.
Sure, the Republican Party is a cesspool of traitors, liars and bigots, but there are liberal bloggers with 12-14 active readers who say the same things elected Republicans say, so, uh,

BothSidesDoIt™.

Trying to reason with fascist enablers pretending to be "centrists" is tiring for everyone but the fascist enabler, because that's their god damn job. And even the fascist enablers get tired of it a lot, just review how many times this particular one yawns instead of even attempting to reply.
 

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I'm not just talking about the domestic terrorist to 'militia' groups. I'm talking about the Trump party in general. It's a conglomeration of fringe groups - some are QAnon, some believe that the elections are rigged, and I'm not just talking about this year's but the last election too, Trump convinced many there were millions of illegal votes, you have straight up white supremacist groups and chauvinist groups, then you have the contingent that thinks Covid is a hoax, then the ones that think Obama was a Marxist Muslim and Biden is now a terrorist, BLM is a domestic terrorist organization, caravans upon caravans of illegals are invading us and raping our women, the evangelicals truly believe the apocalypse is upon us and it's fine to discriminate against gays, and on and on.

Add it all up and you have tens of millions of wackadoos. It's a substantial part of his base.

Meanwhile you got a small amount of radical progressives toppling the wrong statues and that's now a big part of the Democratic party. Yeah, ok.


Do we know these people are radical progressives or are we now just accepting the word of a known liar and a "bothsidesbitch"?
 
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