I didn't say they were the cause of the auto industries downfall, plenty of blame to go around for that.
It's easy to point at the auto industry unions and say they killed their own jobs like butchers did in the 70's. But, the real cause was management's inability (in the case of auto manufacturing) to be visionary. They kept trying to do the same thing more efficiently over and over again. Like breeding cheaper stronger horses after the industrial revolution. Unions love to position themselves as a "Partner " in management but, the responsibility remains squarely with the upper management. None of whom ever seem to be hurting for jobs or money.
There are probably 20 states that would have the facilities to support Boeing quickly.
More than half would be friendly to the company
There are plenty of examples of such self destructive behavior, hostess for example.
Hostess is doing just fine.
The same individuals that closed down the original operation are now fat and happy politicians in even more control than they had before as Union bosses.
Update: Hostess Brands getting $1 million in cash from development authority, city money goes to help new owners offset cost of reopening Victory Drive bakery
They can afford to pay their employees more, which is what the union absolutely has to demand. We're not talking about some poor small business just trying to scrape by, or a company losing money each year like GM was for a time.
I grew up in Pittsburgh as a kid in the 70s and 80s and watched the steel industry kill itself with unions.
Hopefully Boeing tells them to shove it and simply moves operations to another place that does not bear the stench of the union.
Let me guess.... a Chinese or Indian sweatshop right? You are a real patriot.
No you watched corrupt corporate pigs sell out America by shipping jobs and technology to America's enemies. These corporate pigs bought and paid for all of our politicians. They are successfully murdering America and have done a damn fine job of foisting the blame on Amerca's workers.
Um, you just making stuff up now? Why do you hate working class Americans so much?The unions did not want the jobs .
"Extort"? Seriously? What fucking right does the company or 'industry' have to that money that the workers who actually built the shit (and compose the union) don't have?Yes, designing and building aircraft was always a shitty job before unions white-knighted it and made it tolerable... just like those other shitty professions like brain surgeon, rocket scientist, etc.
Unions had and do still have their place. (Private industry that is. Public unions are a whole other can of rot). It's just that all too often these days they're just another wing of nutbag government, set up to extort money out of an industry until they burn it to the ground. (Detroit, great example of the end result).
But hey, some union guys and their corrupt political cohorts got rich, so it was all worth it.
So what do you do as a business owner? Simply cannot afford the wages the unions were demanding. Fold up and leave the world with only either those with strong political connections win or those hiring illegals as the choices? That's the reality of unions and political connections.
That right there is why unions suck.
The corporations are rich they have to play employees more!
F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.
"Extort"? Seriously? What fucking right does the company or 'industry' have to that money that the workers who actually built the shit (and compose the union) don't have?
"Nice industry you have here! Hope you keep paying me a decent wage or I'll stop doing work for you that generates billions in profits!" Classic gangster tactics.
Again, Boeing made billions in profit last year while getting billions in government tax breaks in addition, and pay their CEO more than 170x what their average employee makes. They're not some pitiful family business struggling to get by until wicked mean old Union Thugs come around.
I'm sorry, I forgot that CEOs are entitled to get paid arbitrary amounts of money, but other workers aren't, by some uncontestable axiom of "fuck the American people, my community, our economy, everything else if it can get me (or those I'd like to pretend I'm similar to) one extra red cent." And then have the fucking gall to blame others for America's problems.
Congrats on being the Smithers to Boeing's management's Mr. Burns.
Why is it in that in the USA the unions and management have an antagonist feeling toward each other but in other places like Germany Union and management work together?
Um, you just making stuff up now? Why do you hate working class Americans so much?The unions did not want the jobs .
Why is it in that in the USA the unions and management have an antagonist feeling toward each other but in other places like Germany Union and management work together?
Members of the International Association of Machinists (IAM) who spoke to The Seattle Times on Thursday were overwhelmingly against Boeings proposal, which raises their health-care costs and replaces their traditional pension with a defined contribution savings plan.
The contract would also provide wage increases of just 1 percent every other year. In addition, it would lock in a wage structure that would see new hires take as long as 16 years to reach the top of the pay scale, instead of six years under the current contract.
Though Boeing has included a $10,000 signing bonus and also holds out a golden handshake retirement option for those over 58, its clear many especially the long-serving veterans not only disdain those carrots but are angry about the offer.
Why is it in that in the USA the unions and management have an antagonist feeling toward each other but in other places like Germany Union and management work together?
Yes, you're so right, a bunch of thugs just a generation away from the mob, who shine themselves up, put on suits, and pal up with corrupt politicians are the ones who deserve to come in and claim their birthright to have that money that the workers who actually built the shit don't have. Because all companies are greedy and all unions are a bunch of angels!"Extort"? Seriously? What fucking right does the company or 'industry' have to that money that the workers who actually built the shit (and compose the union) don't have?
Maybe Washington should show Boeing what they think of the idea...Repeal the nearly $9 BILLION in tax breaks they just gave to Boeing.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...inist-union-aerospace-industry-231355401.html
No you watched corrupt corporate pigs sell out America by shipping jobs and technology to America's enemies.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. ABRAHAM LINCOLN
“First they came for the textile jobs, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a textile worker;
Then they came for the steel workers, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a steel worker;
Then they came for the manufacturing jobs, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a manufacturer;
Then they came for the engineers, and I did not speak out—
because I was not an engineer ;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”