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berzerker60

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Yes, you're so right, a who shine themselves up, put on suits, and pal up with corrupt politicians are the ones who deserve to come in and claim their birthright to have that money that the workers who actually built the shit don't have. Because all companies are greedy and all unions are a bunch of angels!

How the f are you giving workers anything they supposedly deserve when many times you just put the industry they work in out of business, those very same workers out of jobs, while you extort money from the industry to enrich yourself, INCLUDING hellacious dues from the workers themselves? Yes, that's extortion.

We're not talking about "many times," we're talking about this time. Unions are neither always good nor always bad. You need to give up on childish black-and-white conceptions of things and actually looks at the case at hand. If the business were struggling and the management were sharing in that struggle, it would absolutely be terrible for the union to demand big raises and perks. The business here is not struggling, and management is doing lavishly well. You're allowed to accept that capitalism sometimes produces shitty outcomes for everyone without being anti-capitalism. You're allowed to accept that sometimes unions produce shitty outcomes without being anti-union.

Also, I find that first paragraph bizarre. "bunch of thugs just a generation away from the mob"? Do you seriously think most unions have any kind of organized crime connections whatsoever? I'd recommend not getting your information from The Sopranos. "claim their birthright" - no, claim a larger percentage of the profit they have generated for the company through their hard work. For someone who rants about 'entitlement,' you seem to just assume the management is entitled to everything and workers can only beg and plead for the generous favor of generating profits for the management. "Because all companies are greedy and all unions are a bunch of angels" - no, as I've said multiple times, sometimes unions are greedy and corrupt, but sometimes companies are greedy and corrupt, and letting either one completely gets its way is bad for everyone.
 

Matt1970

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A 1% raise every other year for 8 years. Yea, them damn dirty unions are just soooo greedy.

Machinists are very highly skilled labor. Corporations have gutted the pay of low/moderate skilled labor. They now are free to go after high skill and professional labor.



Poor Abe would weep to see what has happened to the once respectable and honorable Republican Party. They are now the enemy of the people and the slaves to corporate masters.

Every employee would also get a $10,000 bonus.
 

berzerker60

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Every employee would also get a $10,000 bonus.

Assume inflation is 3%. A 1% raise every other year means an average of a 2.5% reduction in real wage every year going forward. Average employee makes $80k, so at -2.5%/yr they've lost that $10k in real terms by year 6, and only continue to lose money more and more every year after that.
 

bshole

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Assume inflation is 3%. A 1% raise every other year means an average of a 2.5% reduction in real wage every year going forward. Average employee makes $80k, so at -2.5%/yr they've lost that $10k in real terms by year 6, and only continue to lose money more and more every year after that.

Don't use math with conservatives. Over many years, that kind of contract IMPOVERISHES the worker and moves them out of the middle class into the working class. Machinist is very highly skilled labor and rightly deserves to be compensated at middle class levels.

Can you imagine giving a contract like this to management? Boeing boosted the compensation for their CEO by 20% last year!!! He probably gets a similar boost just about every year. Wonder how well he would on a 1% boost every other year.

I can't imagine anybody who would be happy with this. Why are workers demonized for not liking it?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578362371341864386
 

Zaap

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We're not talking about "many times," we're talking about this time.
Yeah exactly, this time, with a company whos average salary is in the 80k range. But that's still not good enough for statist nitwits.




Unions are neither always good nor always bad.
You're the one ranting like they are always good, using your typical childish class-envy bullshit to justify all of your ignorant beliefs about unions. "Management is stealing everything and the poor, poor workers get nothing!"

Meanwhile, you clearly haven't even read my views on unions.

Yeah, right. I've known people who work for Boeing- virtually any position with them is pretty much one of the archetypical DREAM GIGS, at the top of the employment heap. It is not a company that doesn't compensate its workforce well, but in typical leftist class-envy fashion, you want to cast it as that.

You need to give up on childish black-and-white conceptions of things and actually looks at the case at hand. If the business were struggling and the management were sharing in that struggle, it would absolutely be terrible for the union to demand big raises and perks.
Look who's talking, yours are nothing but childish black and white conceptions.

It's not about the business struggling, or that everyone is greedy because YOU (and class-envy morons like you) say it is. It's about the fact that a business like any other entity is actually free to persue its own options that make the most sense for them. No business is just an extraction racket the way you class-envy morons always leech onto and try to make them into. They can look around, and see that another state (or even another country) will give them a better deal. If the unions are being prick assholes, they can make the decision into a no-brainer. It's no different than you as an individual deciding to pick up and move elsewhere if job conditions make it more favorable for you, and expecially if some external force where you are starts pushing you in a negative direction and taking money from you "because you don't deserve it, you greedy bastard!" You and anyone will act in your own best interests and a company is no different.

You're just a little child in your views who can't understand that. You think it's just greed if a company takes advantage of a situation that works better for them, even when it means a slew of workers saying "buh bye!" to their jobs in one location, while a bunch more pick up those same jobs elsewhere. Or worse, everyone saying goodbye to the jobs period, while the business just says F YOU, and leaves for good, or closes up operations.

Yet guaranteed, you're the same type that will whine incessantly about McDonalds and Walmart and minumum wage, even as you act like Boeing is the same type of company. You won't even make the connection, as your ilk does it whiney party to push all the decent high salary jobs elsewhere.

The truth is- I believe your ilk ENJOYS wallowing in shared misery, whining about McDonalds and Walmart and greedy CEOs more than the prospect of getting a decent high salary job that would require you to have any actual talent anyone wants to pay you for, and do some actual fucking work. The life of whining, leeching, grubbing for other people's money, and having your 'victories against da man!' when you help run businesses out is much easier.



Also, I find that first paragraph bizarre. "bunch of thugs just a generation away from the mob"? Do you seriously think most unions have any kind of organized crime connections whatsoever?
LOL, this is how ignorant you are. Pick up an actual history book. Many unions like the teamsters and others were forged straight out of the mob. The Hollywood entertainment unions were the brainchildren of the mob. To think the mob doesn't still have an interest in all that pension money and no-show jobs in construction and other industries is just STUPID. You're the one that needs to get to reality already. Are all unions mob-connected? Of course not. But are there still mob ties to some unions, including some of the most powerful? Ab-so-fucking-lutely. Only a complete dumbass thinks there's any reason why the mob wouldn't be attracted to such a lucrative operation as unions are.

but sometimes companies are greedy and corrupt, and letting either one completely gets its way is bad for everyone.
Yeah, yeah, we get it. Boeing is greedy and corrupt because they're "doing well" according to you, so therefore they can't operate in their own best interests, they will completely cede their freedom to move about the country and the world as they see fit, and pony up to whatever the demands of a bunch of class-envy driven dipshits are, even to their own detriment. Riiiiight.

Go back to whining about McDonalds and Walmart, it suits your ilk better, especially after you've done your part to ensure those are the only type of jobs left.
 

Matt1970

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Assume inflation is 3%. A 1% raise every other year means an average of a 2.5% reduction in real wage every year going forward. Average employee makes $80k, so at -2.5%/yr they've lost that $10k in real terms by year 6, and only continue to lose money more and more every year after that.

Except inflation isn't 3% and probably won't be for a while.

Sep 1, 2013 1.18%
Jan 1, 2013 1.59%
Jan 1, 2012 2.93%
Jan 1, 2011 1.63%
Jan 1, 2010 2.63%
Jan 1, 2009 0.03%

Don't use math with conservatives.

Just make sure it's the correct math will you. I know it's hard to, but try.
 

TreVader

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Or cutting off their noses in spite?
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There are probably 20 states that would have the facilities to support Boeing quickly.
More than half would be friendly to the company

WTF Obama!





Gosh! Geez! Psh!


$83,000/yr! Those RICH BASTARDS!

They don't even deserve 83k/yr. I mean, I think that the 21,000,000/yr salary the CEO receives, which doesn't include stock options is TOTALLY fair.


He EASILY does the job of 250 "average" workers at Boeing right?!!

Jesus christ. Those f*cking thousandares, MULTI thousandares in their 3 bedroom houses! How could they do this!


They're probably laughing it up, eating a whole steak meal for 12.99 at apple bees! Ludicrous!
 
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Matt1970

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WTF Obama!





Gosh! Geez! Psh!


$83,000/yr! Those RICH BASTARDS!

They don't even deserve 83k/yr. I mean, I think that the 21,000,000/yr salary the CEO receives, which doesn't include stock options is TOTALLY fair.


He EASILY does the job of 250 "average" workers at Boeing right?!!

Jesus christ. Those f*cking thousandares, MULTI thousandares in their 3 bedroom houses! How could they do this!


They're probably laughing it up, eating a whole steak meal for 12.99 at apple bees! Ludicrous!

Well, pay the CEO of your multi-billion dollar company $83,000/year and see how many qualified people would line up to do it for that kind of money. $83,000/year for an electrical engineer seems to have people lining up.
 

Zaap

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So now the class-envy nitwits are whining that 80k is poverty wages.

My boss makes in excess of 100 million dollars a year. His bosses make even more than that.

Me, I have a decent upper middle class existence, a nice home in a good neighborhood, cars, all the trappings... but I should be pissed off and ready to burn the company down because my boss and his bosses make sooooooo much! WAHHHHHH!!!! BURN IT DOWN! TEAR IT DOWN!!! RUN THE BUMS OUT!!! YOU GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!!

Then next yearI can be standing around in the ashes of a burned out city going, "Where did all the good jobs go!?! Why are there only McDonalds jobs??!! Why aren't there tons of people here to give me MY job??!!! Why did they all flee somewhere else??!!! GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!! WAHHH!!!! WHY IS THE EVIL BANK FORCLOSING ON MY HOUSE AND RE-POING MY SHIT??! Where's my pittance welfare check!!!???!!"


That's forever the screeching plight of the leftyloon retard.
 

berzerker60

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So now the class-envy nitwits are whining that 80k is poverty wages.

My boss makes in excess of 100 million dollars a year. His bosses make even more than that.

Me, I have a decent upper middle class existence, a nice home in a good neighborhood, cars, all the trappings... but I should be pissed off and ready to burn the company down because my boss and his bosses make sooooooo much! WAHHHHHH!!!! BURN IT DOWN! TEAR IT DOWN!!! RUN THE BUMS OUT!!! YOU GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!!

Then next yearI can be standing around in the ashes of a burned out city going, "Where did all the good jobs go!?! Why are there only McDonalds jobs??!! Why aren't there tons of people here to give me MY job??!!! Why did they all flee somewhere else??!!! GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!! WAHHH!!!! WHY IS THE EVIL BANK FORCLOSING ON MY HOUSE AND RE-POING MY SHIT??! Where's my pittance welfare check!!!???!!"


That's forever the screeching plight of the leftyloon retard.

Congrats on rebutting a position literally no one is making or has ever made.
 

bshole

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So now the class-envy nitwits are whining that 80k is poverty wages.

My boss makes in excess of 100 million dollars a year. His bosses make even more than that.

Me, I have a decent upper middle class existence, a nice home in a good neighborhood, cars, all the trappings... but I should be pissed off and ready to burn the company down because my boss and his bosses make sooooooo much! WAHHHHHH!!!! BURN IT DOWN! TEAR IT DOWN!!! RUN THE BUMS OUT!!! YOU GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!!

Then next yearI can be standing around in the ashes of a burned out city going, "Where did all the good jobs go!?! Why are there only McDonalds jobs??!! Why aren't there tons of people here to give me MY job??!!! Why did they all flee somewhere else??!!! GREEDY EVIL PEOPLE!!! WAHHH!!!! WHY IS THE EVIL BANK FORCLOSING ON MY HOUSE AND RE-POING MY SHIT??! Where's my pittance welfare check!!!???!!"


That's forever the screeching plight of the leftyloon retard.

Um what if they said that at 100k/yr, you and your ilk were overpaid. What if they asked you to take 50k/yr and if you didn't like it, they would send your job to China? Now what if all the other companies in your field did the same thing? Would you simply accept that your standard of living had to be sacrificed to ensure that the CEO class could get the mammoth bonuses they had become accustomed to?

Back in the 60s and 70s, the corporate types took their piece but they also allowed the workers to have their piece. The corporate types are incremently removing the pie from the workers and redistributing it to themselves. This is absolutely undeniable. Numbers don't lie.
 

Darwin333

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"Extort"? Seriously? What fucking right does the company or 'industry' have to that money that the workers who actually built the shit (and compose the union) don't have?

Umm, pretty much all established law across almost the entire world?

"Nice industry you have here! Hope you keep paying me a decent wage or I'll stop doing work for you that generates billions in profits!" Classic gangster tactics.

Are you saying that currently Boeing is NOT paying its workers a decent wage? Or are you saying that employees pay should always go up if the company is profitable? If so, why wouldn't the inverse be true as well?

Again, Boeing made billions in profit last year while getting billions in government tax breaks in addition, and pay their CEO more than 170x what their average employee makes. They're not some pitiful family business struggling to get by until wicked mean old Union Thugs come around.

What the CEO makes is rather irrelevant to the discussion. They could cut his pay to 2X that of the average employee and that extra money wouldn't even be a rounding error to the employees paychecks.
 

berzerker60

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Umm, pretty much all established law across almost the entire world?
People are phrasing this as a moral issue, that the unions are being 'greedy,' so I was asking in moral terms, not legal.

Are you saying that currently Boeing is NOT paying its workers a decent wage? Or are you saying that employees pay should always go up if the company is profitable? If so, why wouldn't the inverse be true as well?
They probably should yes - if a company is losing money, I'm entirely in favor of them pressing hard for the union to give ground and take a pay cut until things are prospering again.

What the CEO makes is rather irrelevant to the discussion. They could cut his pay to 2X that of the average employee and that extra money wouldn't even be a rounding error to the employees paychecks.
Boeing's CEO makes $27.5 million. (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578362371341864386)

There are about 173k Boeing employees. (http://www.boeing.com/boeing/aboutus/employment/employment_table.page)

If that CEO made $200k/year (more than 2x average, but easier math), that frees up $27.2 million. Divided over 173k employees, that's $160 per person per year. Not a life changer, but neither is it a rounding error.

This leaves out other issues:

"Mr. McNerney, who has served as Chicago-based Boeing's CEO since 2005, received a $4.4 million bonus last year along with his $1.93 million base salary as the company beat performance targets, including a long-term executive compensation plan.
His total compensation also includes around $7.5 million in stock and options awards, as well as changes in the value of his pension benefits."


No one is arguing that Boeing employees are paupers struggling to get by. They're just arguing that it's reasonable for then to ask for more money. They probably won't get everything they want, and are probably asking for the moon to get a smaller amount like in every other negotiation ever, as management is probably offering cuts in order to get mild or no increases. I don't think there's an overwhelming moral (and certainly no legal) obligation to give big raises when there are profits, but I think it's ridiculous that people are jumping on the union for being greedy and immoral for sticking up for the workers at a time the company can afford.
 

Matt1970

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People are phrasing this as a moral issue, that the unions are being 'greedy,' so I was asking in moral terms, not legal.

They probably should yes - if a company is losing money, I'm entirely in favor of them pressing hard for the union to give ground and take a pay cut until things are prospering again.


Boeing's CEO makes $27.5 million. (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578362371341864386)

There are about 173k Boeing employees. (http://www.boeing.com/boeing/aboutus/employment/employment_table.page)

If that CEO made $200k/year (more than 2x average, but easier math), that frees up $27.2 million. Divided over 173k employees, that's $160 per person per year. Not a life changer, but neither is it a rounding error.

This leaves out other issues:

"Mr. McNerney, who has served as Chicago-based Boeing's CEO since 2005, received a $4.4 million bonus last year along with his $1.93 million base salary as the company beat performance targets, including a long-term executive compensation plan.
His total compensation also includes around $7.5 million in stock and options awards, as well as changes in the value of his pension benefits."


No one is arguing that Boeing employees are paupers struggling to get by. They're just arguing that it's reasonable for then to ask for more money. They probably won't get everything they want, and are probably asking for the moon to get a smaller amount like in every other negotiation ever, as management is probably offering cuts in order to get mild or no increases. I don't think there's an overwhelming moral (and certainly no legal) obligation to give big raises when there are profits, but I think it's ridiculous that people are jumping on the union for being greedy and immoral for sticking up for the workers at a time the company can afford.

No CEO worth his weight is going to run a company of that size for $200K a year. Boeing stock was $70 a year or so ago and is now worth $133. Their CEO made that company a lot of money and he should be rewarded as such.
 

Zaap

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Um what if they said that at 100k/yr, you and your ilk were overpaid. What if they asked you to take 50k/yr and if you didn't like it, they would send your job to China? Now what if all the other companies in your field did the same thing? Would you simply accept that your standard of living had to be sacrificed to ensure that the CEO class could get the mammoth bonuses they had become accustomed to?
I've already addressed this, but you're one of the stupidest people around here so its no surprise you can't follow anything.

My industry used to be a thriving one full of extremely decent upper middle class jobs. The unions gutted it and chased those jobs overseas back in the 1980's- they also forced the closing of many classic studios. It's why there's no longer Filmation, Rube Spears, Hanna-Barbera and other animation companies that were huge and employed tons of Americans from the 1950's to the 1980's. Jobs at those studios were fantastic, they employed tens of thousands of people and paid for their lives.

Today, the same industry is a hollow shell of what it once was. Union greed means that a small number of jobs that remain here pay extremely well, but thousands more are overseas in places like Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, The Philippines, etc. The people over there appreciate what your brand of leftist loonacy chased out of your own country, and into theirs. They now enjoy very decent jobs in my industry that dipshits like you will never have, while you're busy saying "Do you want fries with that?" and whining like a little bitch about it.

In your case, it's pretty much what you deserve.
 

bshole

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Union greed... MY ASS!!!!! More like CEO greed, going from a moderate slice of the pie to the whole gawd damn thing. Closing in on 1000x what their average employee makes? CRIMINAL!!!!!!

#12 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

#8 According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined.

#10 The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have as much wealth as the bottom one-third of all Americans combined.

#15 In 1980, CEOs at S&P 500 companies made 42 times as much as their employees did on average. Today, CEOs at S&P 500 companies make 354 times as much as their employees do on average. In fact, there are many CEOs that make more than 1000 times what the average employees in their companies make.

#18 Today, the United States actually has a higher percentage of workers doing low wage work than any other major industrialized nation does


Too bad we got these humps cheerleading the wealthy vultures as they impoverish America. America is falling because of the wealthy and their enablers. I am so ready for a revolution where the middle class takes the power back. How long are we gonna sit back and let these animals destroy us?

http://etfdailynews.com/2013/11/11/...-wealthy-and-poor-greater-than-ever-before/2/
 
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Matt1970

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Too bad we got these humps cheerleading the wealthy vultures as they impoverish America. America is falling because of the wealthy and their enablers. I am so ready for a revolution where the middle class takes the power back. How long are we gonna sit back and let these animals destroy us?

http://etfdailynews.com/2013/11/11/...-wealthy-and-poor-greater-than-ever-before/2/

Didn't you claim you have over $1Million in retirement? The "Middle Class Revolution" will be taking your little nest egg too dumbass.
 

BoomerD

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Poor Boeing...things are so bad for them that they had to receive the largest state subsidy in history...

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2013/11/11/boeing-biggest-state-subsidy-in-u-s-history/

Boeing: Biggest state subsidy in U.S. history
Monday, November 11, 2013 by:Joel Connelly

The Boeing Co. was the beneficiary of a deal to end all deals this past weekend, when the Washington Legislature voted to extend $8.7 billion in tax breaks to the aircraft manufacturer stretching out 27 years until 2040. Gov. Jay Inslee signed the tax breaks into law Monday at the Museum of Flight.

“This is the biggest tax subsidy in U.S. history,” said Greg LeRoy, executive director of Good Jobs First, a Washington, D.C., nonprofit which tracks so called “Megadeals” in which states offer sweeteners to major corporations.

Gov. Jay Inslee: On Monday, he signed legislation giving $8.7 billion in tax breaks to Boeing, extending out to 2040. It is the biggest state tax subsidy in U.S. history.
“Nothing is near this deal: The fact it took place in days is breathtaking,” LeRoy added. “This deal happens in the state that already has the most regressive tax code in the nation.”

By coincidence, LeRoy was in Seattle on the day Inslee signed the subsidy. He spoke to a small Seattle lunch on Monday, and is appearing tonight at Seattle Town Hall.

LeRoy will be sharing the stage with State Rep. Reuven Carlyle, D-Seattle, an architect of the deal. Carlyle described it in a House floor speech as “an authentic marriage” between Boeing and the state.

The extension of tax subsidies is the second time in a decade that Washington has offered a massive sweetener to keep Boeing making planes in Washington.

The Legislature and Gov. Gary Locke, in 2003, put together a $3.244 billion deal to entice Boeing to build its 787 “Dreamliner” at its Everett plant.

The latest tax breaks are designed to persuade Boeing to manufacture its new 777X airplane, and its carbon fiber wings, in the Evergreen State.

Boeing is still not satisfied. It is demanding an eight-year contract, with massive pension and health benefit concessions, from its 30,000 Machinists.

Carlyle
State Rep. Reuven Carlyle: The deal represents “an authentic marriage” between Boeing and the state of Washington.
In June, Good Jobs First published a study entitled “Megadeals: The largest economic development subsidy packages ever awarded by state and local governments in the United States.”

It looked at 240 Megadeals, in amounts starting at $75 million, totaling $64 billion. Eleven of the deals were valued at more than $1 billion.

Michigan and New York, two hard-up rust belt states, led the list with 29 and 23 Megadeals respectively, followed by Ohio and Texas with 12 each, and then Tennessee and Louisiana with 11 apiece. Until the Boeing deal, New York had offered the most generous subsidies, totaling more than $11.7 billion.

The No. 1 Megadeal, displaced by Boeing’s $8.7 billion sweetener, was a 30-year discounted electricity deal, benefiting the aluminum maker Alcoa, negotiated with the New York Power Authority.

“Megadeals” cited two previous deals in the Northwest, the 2003 agreement on the Boeing 787, as well as a $2.02 billion package of tax breaks by Oregon, designed to keep shoe manufacturer Nike located in the Beaver State. (Oregon is getting some of the money back in Phil Knight’s enormous investment in University of Oregon athletics, including a new $146 million sports complex in Eugene.)

Until Monday, Alcoa led all recipients of tax breaks at $5.6 billion, followed by Boeing with $4.4 billion in four deals, Intel with six tax break deals valued at $3.6 billion, General Motors with 11 valued at $2.7 billion, and the Ford Motor Co. with nine deals valued at $2.1 billion.

The generosity of states negotiating “Megadeals” has gone up in recent years, said LeRoy, because the number of deals for which states are competing declined — even before the Great Recession — and has yet to really recover.

Based on the limited information available, Good Jobs First Now in its study estimated that each job created cost taxpayers $456,000.

The Boeing package passed the Washington State Senate on a 42-2 vote, and the House of Representatives by a vote of 75-11. It had broad bipartisan support. “The Democrats will give away the store as much as the Republicans,” LeRoy joked on Monday.

The extension of tax breaks to 2040 was due to the anticipated manufacturing period of the Boeing 777X.

Inslee has made the 777X a centerpiece of his economic strategy, and staged a big ceremony with politicians and local economic development brass at Paine Field earlier this year.

With the 777X deal — if Boeing and the Machinists reach an agreement — Washington will be giving a big tax break to keep something it already has.

I don't know how they will keep their doors open without taxpayer subsidies...

Maybe, if Boeing continues to pull this kind of bullshit with their workers, the citizens of Warshington will say, "NO MORE!" to the company...MAYBE. (but I doubt it.)
 

Moonbeam

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Probably one of the greatest threats a democracy can pose to the unequal distribution of wealth are unions. That is why I have been brainwashed from childhood to react to them with revulsion. Why should the droids who lack the get up and go to do something positive with their lives make any money. Everybody knows that wealth is something only some people deserve. Have you any idea of the price I paid in time devoted to making something of myself instead of living for the moment so that I would have the money to buy the time and things that make living in the moment worth something, thos last few glorious years of my life, if I ever get there. Why should some dumb fuck who makes a wage live in some kind of comfort all his life. He didn't pay like I did and he doesn't deserve it. It's not fair. People like me should have everything just because we are better.
 

Zaap

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Poor Boeing...things are so bad for them that they had to receive the largest state subsidy in history...

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2013/11/11/boeing-biggest-state-subsidy-in-u-s-history/



I don't know how they will keep their doors open without taxpayer subsidies...

Maybe, if Boeing continues to pull this kind of bullshit with their workers, the citizens of Warshington will say, "NO MORE!" to the company...MAYBE. (but I doubt it.)

See? Exactly the "burn it down, chase 'em out!" then.. "Where are all the good jobs?" psychotic class-envy mindset I'm talking about.

Yes, the good people of Washington should go get out their pitchforks and chase Boeing out of their state! Hoo ray! Way to stick it to the man!!! Now you'll magically get that $8.7 billion in taxes back... out of thin air!!

And the taxes paid by workers with good middle class jobs? That'll all recover itself out of thin air too!!

Even if your focus isn't the subservient stupid liberal mindset that only cares how much money the state is able to extract out of a business, where are you getting all those decent paying jobs from once Boeing takes them somehwhere else that isn't FUCKING CRAZY?

Oh that's right... OUT OF THIN AIR!

Class envy freaks = stuck on stupid.

Now quick, back to whining about McDonalds and Walmart!
 

Agent11

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Union greed... MY ASS!!!!! More like CEO greed, going from a moderate slice of the pie to the whole gawd damn thing. Closing in on 1000x what their average employee makes? CRIMINAL!!!!!!




Too bad we got these humps cheerleading the wealthy vultures as they impoverish America. America is falling because of the wealthy and their enablers. I am so ready for a revolution where the middle class takes the power back. How long are we gonna sit back and let these animals destroy us?

http://etfdailynews.com/2013/11/11/...-wealthy-and-poor-greater-than-ever-before/2/

The problem is not businesses like Boeing that still employ Americans at a more than decent wage; The problem is trade agreements, legislation, and UNIONS that encourage businesses to fire Americans, close up shop, and employ people elsewhere.

You are part of the problem.
 
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The problem is not businesses like Boeing that still employ Americans at a more than decent wage; The problem is trade agreements, legislation, and UNIONS that encourage businesses to fire Americans, close up shop, and employ people elsewhere.

You are part of the problem.

Yea, that is why all the countries doing much better than us have higher union density. Not to mention that only 10% of jobs in America are union. It is the union's fault that the CEO class share of profits has gone up 50X while the workers share has dwindled to nothing? And why am I the only person bringing up actual data and facts to back my position, while you make stuff out of whole cloth with nothing backing it except your hatred of the American working and middle classes?

In 2010, the percentage of workers belonging to a union in the United States (or total labor union "density") was 11.4%, compared to 18.4% in Germany, 27.5% in Canada, and 70% in Finland.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States
 
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